When will it all end?

Thomas Henderson

Thomas Henderson wrote: »

How about the elderly isolate until they are vaccinated and let the rest of us work and live?

It'll all be over and done by the end of the year. I'd rather look back as the country that took care of it's elderly, rather than said 'fcuk them' and put them in isolation to be forgotten about.


Besides, it's not all just elderly people. That's very simplified. My social circle isn't exactly massive, but I know of one person first hand (friend) who had developed drawn out breathing issues as a result of covid (albeit mostly gone now) and i know of two 'friends of friends' who had big issues as a result of it. All of which would be under 40.


I also know of a chap that used to play for a football team (drogheda united, apparently well known around the country) who was fit and in good shape, but got was ventilated in hospital for a week with it.


Just because it's not killing younger people, doesn't make it harmless. We didn't/don't know enough about it, so playing it safe is by far the most sensible thing to do.

GazzaL

Deleted User wrote: »

It'll all be over and done by the end of the year. I'd rather look back as the country that took care of it's elderly, rather than said 'fcuk them' and put them in isolation to be forgotten about.


Besides, it's not all just elderly people. That's very simplified. My social circle isn't exactly massive, but I know of one person first hand (friend) who had developed drawn out breathing issues as a result of covid (albeit mostly gone now) and i know of two 'friends of friends' who had big issues as a result of it. All of which would be under 40.


I also know of a chap that used to play for a football team (drogheda united, apparently well known around the country) who was fit and in good shape, but got was ventilated in hospital for a week with it.


Just because it's not killing younger people, doesn't make it harmless. We didn't/don't know enough about it, so playing it safe is by far the most sensible thing to do.

I know elderly people who were happily working prior to the lockdown madness. The pro lockdown crowd have said "**** you" and stuck two fingers up to independent elderly people who would rather live their lives than be treated like invalids. Some of them have actually worked throughout the lockdown despite all the faux concern from people who are happy to be saving a few extra quid while working from home or from people who are satisfied sitting on their holes while picking up €350 a week.

GazzaL

GazzaL wrote: »

would rather live their lives than be treated like invalids.

Of course they feel that way. Because they're not affected. Bet you if they were suddenly on oxygen in hospitals they'd have a different outlook.

GazzaL

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course they feel that way. Because they're not affected. Bet you if they were suddenly on oxygen in hospitals they'd have a different outlook.

They would choose to accept the risks and live their lives doing things they enjoy rather than being locked up. Many of them would age rapidly if they stopped all their normal activities because of lockdowns, they enjoy the mental and physical stimulation that working and socialising brings to them. The pro lockdown crowd think they know better and that they can tell everyone what to do.

hynesie08

I'd like to hear one of these "isolate the vulnerable" flag wavers actually explain how they propose that this be done?

bucketybuck

Hector Savage wrote: »

I get the logic of restrictions continuing when it's only vulnerable vaccinated, there is a case for health service being slammed by younger healthy people

No, there is not a case.

Younger people did not "slam" the health service during the worst of this pandemic, so why the **** is it supposed to happen now?

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Yep, we would be in the exact position we are in now if hospitality didn't open.

Christmas Hospitality being blamed for the recent rise in cases is a pure con job, based on totally false narratives. The lack of critical thinking applied to that whole discussion is frankly depressing.

copeyhagen

brother in law tested positive on Friday, outbreak in his job, everyone tested. no symptoms, partner and 2 kids tested negative.

heard more stories like that, or people losing tste/smell than people being actually sick.

copeyhagen

hynesie08 wrote: »

I'd like to hear one of these "isolate the vulnerable" flag wavers actually explain how they propose that this be done?

clue is in the name, isolate them. no unnecessary travel, stay indoors until vaccinated.

its not rocket science, and most are doing that ayway

hynesie08

copeyhagen wrote: »

clue is in the name, isolate them. no unnecessary travel, stay indoors until vaccinated.

its not rocket science, and most are doing that ayway

So you would have advocated locking up the old and the frail for the guts of a year?

copeyhagen

hynesie08 wrote: »

So you would have advocated locking up the old and the frail for the guts of a year?

ffs, is it gonna take a year to vaccinate them?!!! its a couple of weeks, hopefully..

El_Duderino 09

Antics21 wrote: »

I didn't mention goal posts.
It is of course reasonable to react to new information. Just as it is reasonable to question the logic behind it, which you didn't address in the post above.

The logic changes as the information changes. New information changes the calculations. That’s sensible.

At the start they didn’t even know if it was possible to make a vaccine, how the warm and cold weather would affect the virus, how quickly it would mutate. The logic has to change with the new information. Protecting the health service was the first priority, which is quite sensible.

Now they have answered some questions such as whether a vaccine can be made, and they’ve discovered new questions like the Myra to ons, how to reopen which parts of the economy.

You could have answers those questions yourself, if you tried.

Mr. Karate

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course they feel that way. Because they're not affected. Bet you if they were suddenly on oxygen in hospitals they'd have a different outlook.

We can't live like that. You'll end up a neurotic mess. We can't stop living life because something might happen. And we can't stay in lockdown forever because a variation [other than the ones that we currently know about] may occur.

mcsean2163

People have changed.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40221959.html

40% want to continue working from home, essentially they would in many ways feel sad for the lockdown to end, they're conflicted. I suspect people are making the most of their lives and becoming resistant to change.

It's crazy really because it's costing huge money.

Hmob

Mr. Karate wrote: »

We can't live like that. You'll end up a neurotic mess. We can't stop living life because something might happen. And we can't stay in lockdown forever because a variation [other than the ones that we currently know about] may occur.

I guess we're gonna find out soon enough when the first round of vaccinations are complete in this part of the world

Multipass

mcsean2163 wrote: »

People have changed.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40221959.html

40% want to continue working from home, essentially they would in many ways feel sad for the lockdown to end, they're conflicted. I suspect people are making the most of their lives and becoming resistant to change.

It's crazy really because it's costing huge money.

They might be sorry when they discover that workers in India can do their job ‘from home’ for a quarter of the cost.

W123-80's

W123-80's wrote: »

My huge fear is that the vaccines will not be as efficacious as had originally been hoped for.
I have no real concerns over their general safety just the their efficacy.

I think the next thing we might start to see dripped into the media will be stories relating to vaccines needing to be redeveloped in order to deal with different strains etc.
For this reason I think we are in this for at least another 2 years.

This is all obviously based in nothing scientific just my own pessimistic opinion!

I think schools might open after Easter. That's a best case scenario. I suspect they will most likely remain closed until summer holidays.

I think hotels and gastro pubs will probably open in June under strict restrictions.

I don't think wet pubs will open in 2021.

I think level 3/4 type restrictions for the remainder of 2021 once we get out of this lockdown

I stand by my comment from Jan 11th!
I think we are in this long term.

ujjjjjjjjj

Multipass wrote: »

They might be sorry when they discover that workers in India can do their job ‘from home’ for a quarter of the cost.

Totally agree, anyone who says this has been 'great' and working from home is a 'great' option going forward really hasn't thought this thing through.

But then again that is a bit of a theme at the moment......

ujjjjjjjjj

Mr. Karate wrote: »

We can't live like that. You'll end up a neurotic mess. We can't stop living life because something might happen. And we can't stay in lockdown forever because a variation [other than the ones that we currently know about] may occur.

Totally agree with you but the public health brigade and lockdown mob are so neurotic now that we are having discussions about what might happen with mutations/ variants....insanity in motion.

Any virus theoretically can mutate into something nastier, be it the flu or covid or any virus. We never seemed to have a problem with this before yet it is a problem now......

Sars-Cov-2 is now an endemic virus, it is not going away and could mutate at any point in the future into something more dangerous, we need to get over our hysteria and move on. Sure vaccinate the over 65's or be hyper cautious and make it the over 50's and then move on.

Hospitalisations and deaths will reduce 80-90% and then enough, move on.

Enough.......

Thespoofer

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Totally agree with you but the public health brigade and lockdown mob are so neurotic now that we are having discussions about what might happen with mutations/ variants....insanity in motion.

Any virus theoretically can mutate into something nastier, be it the flu or covid or any virus. We never seemed to have a problem with this before yet it is a problem now......

Sars-Cov-2 is now an endemic virus, it is not going away and could mutate at any point in the future into something more dangerous, we need to get over our hysteria and move on. Sure vaccinate the over 65's or be hyper cautious and make it the over 50's and then move on.

Hospitalisations and deaths will reduce 80-90% and then enough, move on.

Enough.......

This^.

El_Duderino 09

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Totally agree with you but the public health brigade and lockdown mob are so neurotic now that we are having discussions about what might happen with mutations/ variants....insanity in motion.
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What’s wrong with having a conversation about the possible outcomes? We don’t know what will happen so everything is a plan for what might happen. The vaccine might work great and the rollout might go smoothly and everything can reopen and stay open. That’s a conversation (a plan) for what might happen.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with having conversations about what different scenarios that might happen. It’s usually called “planning for the future”.

I suspect you have a problem with planning for things you don’t want to happen. So you’d advocate for only planning for things that you want to happen like the positive scenario outlined above. And that’s not a sensible approach.

Parachutes

hynesie08 wrote: »

I'd like to hear one of these "isolate the vulnerable" flag wavers actually explain how they propose that this be done?

A bit like how all of us are in lockdown now, except it’s only the vulnerable groups.

ujjjjjjjjj

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What’s wrong with having a conversation about the possible outcomes? We don’t know what will happen so everything is a plan for what might happen. The vaccine might work great and the rollout might go smoothly and everything can reopen and stay open. That’s a conversation (a plan) for what might happen.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with having conversations about what different scenarios that might happen. It’s usually called “planning for the future”.

I suspect you have a problem with planning for things you don’t want to happen. So you’d advocate for only planning for things that you want to happen like the positive scenario outlined above. And that’s not a sensible approach.

This is the problem, might.......look if a killer mutant strain of this or any virus comes along it is perfectly obvious we will have to do something if hospitalizations and deaths are soaring

BUT I firmly believe we have to acknowledge that this is now an endemic virus , vaccinate over a certain age group and lift all restrictions. Every piece of evidence we have says the vaccines will hugely alleviate hospitalizations and deaths and if you look for example at the under 50's restrictions are not justified in anyway as this virus is not serious for that age group. Sure yes 3/6 months later review policy but people have to accept that this virus is going nowhere and we will have hospitalizations and deaths from it on an ongoing basis. Just like the flu.....and we seem to tolerate this just fine.

This endless doom mongering looking at possibly what might happen is incredibly dangerous, it turns previously sane people into hysterical OCD heads, I see it everyday of the week at the moment. Endless 'what if' conversations......

ujjjjjjjjj

Parachutes wrote: »

A bit like how all of us are in lockdown now, except it’s only the vulnerable groups.

Agree, not difficult in anyway at all.....if the entire population can restrict movements a sub group can.....don't understand at all any problem with it.

sReq | uTeK

I just find it hilarious that Tony Holohan is making calls that impact us all without question.

The latest going against the immunizations and EU recommendations that all over 70s get for instance AstraZeneca and instead holding out for the Pfizer drug which in the mean time they could be dead.

I mean wtf..where is his expert knowledge and if are not taking the so called experts advice why are the tax payers paying them for.

Did anyone bother to look at the stats? As of late last week not a single death occurred from Covid between the ages of 0-25. There is one now. 25 died between the ages of 25-45. That's 0.012% against 194k positive cases...

Those that died 8 out of 10 had underlying issued with significant numbers of those having upwards of three defects.

This is just pure scare mongering for anyone under the age of 45 to feel threatened by this is nonsensical, more chance of being hit by a car.

As for the over 50s. 1000% get them vaccinated and quickly and then we wool see a 90% reduction. Then move on.

I suspect it will take Russia or America invading a country, always a on the agenda for a new american president,to rid the airwaves of covid.

Lastly, does anyone find the balance of reporting absolutely mad.

The death rate is currently 1% similar to the flu in those over 65...but let's not take hard evidence away from media clicks.

El_Duderino 09

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

This is the problem, might.......look if a killer mutant strain of this or any virus comes along it is perfectly obvious we will have to do something if hospitalizations and deaths are soaring

BUT I firmly believe we have to acknowledge that this is now an endemic virus , vaccinate over a certain age group and lift all restrictions. Every piece of evidence we have says the vaccines will hugely alleviate hospitalizations and deaths and if you look for example at the under 50's restrictions are not justified in anyway as this virus is not serious for that age group. Sure yes 3/6 months later review policy but people have to accept that this virus is going nowhere and we will have hospitalizations and deaths from it on an ongoing basis. Just like the flu.....and we seem to tolerate this just fine.

This endless doom mongering looking at possibly what might happen is incredibly dangerous, it turns previously sane people into hysterical OCD heads, I see it everyday of the week at the moment. Endless 'what if' conversations......

The Vaccine and rollout "might" go brilliantly. Should we also not plan for that scenario?

Or should we only not plan for things we don't want to happen. Because that sounds like a disaster.

ujjjjjjjjj

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I just find it hilarious that Tony Holohan is making calls that impact us all without question.

The latest going against the immunizations and EU recommendations that all over 70s get for instance AstraZeneca and instead holding out for the Pfizer drug which in the mean time they could be dead.

I mean wtf..where is his expert knowledge and if are not taking the so called experts advice why are the tax payers paying them for.

Did anyone bother to look at the stats? As of late last week not a single death occurred from Covid between the ages of 0-25. There is one now. 25 died between the ages of 25-45. That's 0.012% against 194k positive cases...

Those that died 8 out of 10 had underlying issued with significant numbers of those having upwards of three defects.

This is just pure scare mongering for anyone under the age of 45 to feel threatened by this is nonsensical, more chance of being hit by a car.

As for the over 50s. 1000% get them vaccinated and quickly and then we wool see a 90% reduction. Then move on.

I suspect it will take Russia or America invading a country, always a on the agenda for a new american president,to rid the airwaves of covid.

Lastly, does anyone find the balance of reporting absolutely mad.

The death rate is currently 1% similar to the flu in those over 65...but let's not take hard evidence away from media clicks.

+1

hynesie08

Parachutes wrote: »

A bit like how all of us are in lockdown now, except it’s only the vulnerable groups.

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Agree, not difficult in anyway at all.....if the entire population can restrict movements a sub group can.....don't understand at all any problem with it.

So no actual suggestions of how to make it work then?

Parachutes

hynesie08 wrote: »

So no actual suggestions of how to make it work then?

What’s difficult about it?

hynesie08

Parachutes wrote: »

What’s difficult about it?

If it's so easy you should be able to lay out a plan no bother?

Parachutes

hynesie08 wrote: »

If it's so easy you should be able to lay out a plan no bother?

Vulnerable groups continue how they are now, rest of us go back to normality albeit with some social distancing rules. Not rocket science like.