When will it all end?

Lillyfae

mcsean2163 wrote: »

I think that's extremely stupid bordering on racist.

Laravel framework developed in India by an Indian for fun

https://laravel.com/

Daimler partnering with Infosys.

https://www.infosys.com/

Tata are massive. I could go on for ages. We are at the very top of the food chain. If we get knocked off where to next? We can't even get manufacturing back as it's been replaced by machines.

We're the third most indebted nation in the world per capita. I'm fine, I've lived my life for better or worse and have worked across multiple sectors but it's the next generation still in school.

If you think we can continue to support our standard of living through working from home i would say definitely not, maybe the public sector as they don't work on a scale similar to the private sector.

Anyway, I hope reality sees a ray of light soon as we are currently destroying our industries.

Don’t know the first but Infosys second their staff to other countries. Where they are paid in line with their host countries employment law. I’ve worked with many of them. They are not doing Eircom 1st line tech support, they are highly skilled personnel. Racist how are ya.

piwyudo0fhn57b

I hope asap

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0209/1196048-govt-announces-160m-in-supports-for-covid-hit-firms/

Me thinks this new scheme is secretly telling us lockdown level 5/4 is not ending anytime soon

Did you not read the article again? It's for industries involved in events and functions who were one of the first to close and will be one of the last to reopen.

8000 wouldn't even cover the food that went off in the fridge for most catering companies, but it's a start.

landofthetree

Level 5 till mid-May with construction and schools opening at some point.

That's my prediction.

5th April, to drop levels

hynesie08

bubblypop wrote: »

5th April, to drop levels

6th, the 5th is a Bank Holiday (but I agree)

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

6th, the 5th is a Bank Holiday (but I agree)

Yep that's what I meant, 5th will be the end of level 5
I think!
I hope!

Mr. Karate

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0209/1196048-govt-announces-160m-in-supports-for-covid-hit-firms/

Me thinks this new scheme is secretly telling us lockdown level 5/4 is not ending anytime soon

That or its to save their Insurance Company lobbyists by agreeing to give money to businesses that have been shut for the last near 11 months so they don't have to make the Insurance companies pay out. This announcement and last week's court decision against insurance companies is no coincidence.

josip

bubblypop wrote: »

5th April, to drop levels

Although I suspect you have better access to decision making information than me Bubbly , I'm no longer optimistic it will be so soon.

My mother, who is in the 80-84 cohort has been given a 6th April appointment with her GP for her 1st appointment.
Maybe her GP is down the list, but it now seems to me that it will be mid May before every 70+ who wants to be vaccinated will have received their 2nd shot.

I'd be surprised if many restrictions are relaxed before then.

doublejobbing 2

Responder XY wrote: »

Have to dispute that everything goes along dandily with WFH.

Most companies are getting through, but it's not more efficient or productive. It's kind of OK when everyone does it because there's no competitive advantage being gained, but I'm very sure that whenever things do go back to normal, companies will need people back in the office.

Companies that try to skimp on office space will end up worse off.

Certain tasks can be done from home perfectly, so we will see more WFH as a option maybe 2 days a week for lots of employees - but not as a permeant feature.

This.

How could it possibly be as efficient? Slacking, hungover staff, clunky software, you only have to listen to any zoom interview on TV or radio to hear how hahpazard it is.

josip

josip wrote: »

Although I suspect you have better access to decision making information than me Bubbly , I'm no longer optimistic it will be so soon.

My mother, who is in the 80-84 cohort has been given a 6th April appointment with her GP for her 1st appointment.
Maybe her GP is down the list, but it now seems to me that it will be mid May before every 70+ who wants to be vaccinated will have received their 2nd shot.

I'd be surprised if many restrictions are relaxed before then.

Ah God no, I'm nowhere near knowing anything about decision making! I do know that the emergency rosters have been extended till June.

I can't believe your man has to wait that long?! Perhaps I'm too optimistic

El_Duderino 09

I've found this which gives an update on how the vaccine rollout is going. I don't know anything about the website but it looks good - I'm open to correction on that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/

Ireland is doing alright. We have 4.44% vaccinated but it's worth noting that Irelands figures haven't been updated since last Wednesday so they might update again tomorrow. The sooner the whole of Europe and the whole world gets the vaccine successfully rolled out, the better. It's fine to argue about who should get the vaccine in which order, but ultimately, the EU should work together so share the vaccine equally. The manufacturers just need to pump it out as quickly as they can and then it's up to us to get it out to EU member states quickly and equally so we all get our fare share.

The UK is smashing it.

josip

josip wrote: »

Although I suspect you have better access to decision making information than me Bubbly , I'm no longer optimistic it will be so soon.

My mother, who is in the 80-84 cohort has been given a 6th April appointment with her GP for her 1st appointment.
Maybe her GP is down the list, but it now seems to me that it will be mid May before every 70+ who wants to be vaccinated will have received their 2nd shot.

I'd be surprised if many restrictions are relaxed before then.

My mother is the same cohort as yours. Nothing so far.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I've found this which gives an update on how the vaccine rollout is going. I don't know anything about the website but it looks good - I'm open to correction on that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/

Ireland is doing alright. We have 4% vaccinated but it's worth noting that Irelands figures haven't been updated since last Wednesday so they might update again tomorrow. The sooner the whole of Europe and the whole world gets the vaccine successfully rolled out, the better. It's fine to argue about who should get the vaccine in which order, but ultimately, the EU should work together so share the vaccine equally. The manufacturers just need to pump it out as quickly as they can and then it's up to us to get it out to EU member states quickly and equally so we all get our fare share.

The UK is smashing it.

• Ireland has done well with what it has received so far but not approving AZ for over 70s was a big mistake - hugely limits supply.
• The EU Commission has been a complete shambles so far.
• The UK is indeed smashing it.

Level 42

sam mcconkey just said its another 3- 5 years of it -today fm

ShineOn7

Level 42 wrote: »

sam mcconkey just said its another 3- 5 years of it -today fm

He hasn't gained the "McDonkey" nickname for nothing

That said, we're not getting out of this in 2021

Bit cynical

Level 42 wrote: »

sam mcconkey just said its another 3- 5 years of it -today fm

Although I'm not an economist, I think we'd be up against hard economic limits if we tried to extend the last year for another 3 to 4 years particularly as we're in the Eurozone.

Theboinkmaster

ShineOn7 wrote: »

He hasn't gained the "McDonkey" nickname for nothing

That said, we're not getting out of this in 2021

Utter nonsense - this will mostly be over this summer and definitely over by Xmas. Other than wet pubs and music concerts/sport events life will be back to normal enough by end of summer.

GazzaL

There's two parallel worlds in Ireland at the moment.

One segment of the population are happily staying at home, whether they're working from home or in receipt of the PUP, they're happy with their lot and admonish anyone who isn't happy to share their mediocre existence. The "I'm alright, Jack" crowd.

The other segment of the population are getting on with their lives quietly, socialising with friends and family in person, doing non-essential work where possible, going for haircuts, takeaway pints, meals together, and so on. This segment is increasing in size all the time.

If your time on Earth was up today, how would you look back on the way you spent your life over the last 11 months?

Alf Veedersane

mcsean2163 wrote: »

WFH in my experience has massive inefficiencies for companies developing and manufacturing products. The majority of the companies with this policy are not thriving and will fail if it continues.

That's not my point though. Those companies aren't set up to be as efficient working from home. Plenty of companies aren't and thats fine..they don't necessarily have to.

My point is that companies are not now going to realise that outsourcing is the way forward because of this extended period of working from home has shown them that their business could be done cheaper in India, for example.

That's separate to WFH suits everyone and works for everyone. It doesn't.

Ludikrus

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Utter nonsense - this will mostly be over this summer and definitely over by Xmas. Other than wet pubs and music concerts/sport events life will be back to normal enough by end of summer.

Wish it were that simple but there's too many open questions...mutating variants, vaccines not preventing transmission, reinfection after vaccination, etc. The vaccines are good news but not what we all thought in Nov/Dec, i.e. the end of COVID. There's no way this will be "over" in 2021.

SheepsClothing

GazzaL wrote: »

There's two parallel worlds in Ireland at the moment.

One segment of the population are happily staying at home, whether they're working from home or in receipt of the PUP, they're happy with their lot and admonish anyone who isn't happy to share their mediocre existence. The "I'm alright, Jack" crowd.

The other segment of the population are getting on with their lives quietly, socialising with friends and family in person, doing non-essential work where possible, going for haircuts, takeaway pints, meals together, and so on. This segment is increasing in size all the time.

If your time on Earth was up today, how would you look back on the way you spent your life over the last 11 months?

You wouldn't know there was large cohort ignoring restrictions and getting on with their lives from all the moaning going on.

ShineOn7

Ludikrus wrote: »

Wish it were that simple but there's too many open questions...mutating variants, vaccines not preventing transmission, reinfection after vaccination, etc. The vaccines are good news but not what we all thought in Nov/Dec, i.e. the end of COVID. There's no way this will be "over" in 2021.

This

I think some on here must've really had fairytale type lives before Covid if they think it's over this year

Professor Nolan has been the most accurate on all of this at the briefings and yesterday he said it's likely more variants are coming

Lundstram

Ewan MacKenna taking Matt Cooper to task on Twitter, of course Cooper has a lot to say without saying anything. Not enough journos like MacKenna in Ireland.

Too many nodding dogs in Irish news media.

GazzaL

Ludikrus wrote: »

Wish it were that simple but there's too many open questions...mutating variants, vaccines not preventing transmission, reinfection after vaccination, etc. The vaccines are good news but not what we all thought in Nov/Dec, i.e. the end of COVID. There's no way this will be "over" in 2021.

There's no way car crashes will be over in 2021 either, but we accept the risk and get on with things. Maybe some day they'll devise technology that prevents all car crashes and prevents all viral illnesses, but until then, we get on with our lives accepting all manner of risks on a daily basis without giving most of them a second thought.

Coybig_

ShineOn7 wrote: »

This

I think some on here must've really had fairytale type lives before Covid if they think it's over this year

Professor Nolan has been the most accurate on all of this at the briefings and yesterday he said it's likely more variants are coming

Yes, endemic virus in variant and mutation shocker. Bravo Professor Nolan - a true visionary!

We will see many, many more of these over the next few years. If our attitude is to keep people locked up and to cancel life for years on end, then you may as well have signposts to the nearest bridge for everyone to jump off. At least when all the young people commit suicide they won't be able to give it to the vulnerable and elderly.

SheepsClothing

Things will get progressively better over the course of the year, with things being mostly normal in the second half of 2021, with limitations on large events, nightclubs and travel. This is worth looking forward to.

Things won't return to 2019 normal with zero restriction and full international travel until mid 2022 at the earliest.

JacksonHeightsOwn

GazzaL wrote: »

There's two parallel worlds in Ireland at the moment.

One segment of the population are happily staying at home, whether they're working from home or in receipt of the PUP, they're happy with their lot and admonish anyone who isn't happy to share their mediocre existence. The "I'm alright, Jack" crowd.

The other segment of the population are getting on with their lives quietly, socialising with friends and family in person, doing non-essential work where possible, going for haircuts, takeaway pints, meals together, and so on. This segment is increasing in size all the time.

If your time on Earth was up today, how would you look back on the way you spent your life over the last 11 months?

Who's going for pints? Meals together or getting their hair cut?

I don't know a single person doing one of those things.

Not saying it's impossible, but if it is, it's few and far between.

But what I will agree with you is that the longer this all goes on, the less people will adhere to the rules.

GazzaL

ShineOn7 wrote: »

This

I think some on here must've really had fairytale type lives before Covid if they think it's over this year

Professor Nolan has been the most accurate on all of this at the briefings and yesterday he said it's likely more variants are coming

And we'll just have to accept that there will be more variants, other viral illnesses, cancers, car crashes, etc.

3 times as many people die of cancer than COVID in Ireland, yet we still permit the sale of cigarettes, processed foods, etc. We declared takeaways as essential businesses while forcing gyms to close, despite the fact that excessive consumption of fast food and lack of exercise increases the risks associated with cancer and COVID!

El_Duderino 09

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Utter nonsense - this will mostly be over this summer and definitely over by Xmas. Other than wet pubs and music concerts/sport events life will be back to normal enough by end of summer.

Do you think distancing from masks will still be mandatory at Christmas?