When will it all end?

landofthetree

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Who's going for pints? Meals together or getting their hair cut?

I don't know a single person doing one of those things.

Not saying it's impossible, but if it is, it's few and far between.

But what I will agree with you is that the longer this all goes on, the less people will adhere to the rules.

I think a lot of barbers are working illegally from home going by what I see in the supermarket.

growleaves

ShineOn7 wrote: »

This

I think some on here must've really had fairytale type lives before Covid if they think it's over this year

Professor Nolan has been the most accurate on all of this at the briefings and yesterday he said it's likely more variants are coming

Fairytale type lives? Lol

You're basically says that living in a prison state for years, indefinitely, is the latest advance in medicine. It's not believable sorry. All that is left is for people to admit that living a normal life shouldn't be illegal.

Alf Veedersane

GazzaL wrote: »

There's two parallel worlds in Ireland at the moment.

One segment of the population are happily staying at home, whether they're working from home or in receipt of the PUP, they're happy with their lot and admonish anyone who isn't happy to share their mediocre existence. The "I'm alright, Jack" crowd.

The other segment of the population are getting on with their lives quietly, socialising with friends and family in person, doing non-essential work where possible, going for haircuts, takeaway pints, meals together, and so on. This segment is increasing in size all the time.

If your time on Earth was up today, how would you look back on the way you spent your life over the last 11 months?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that there are two different worlds but how are the people staying at home and restricting their movements the 'I'm alright Jack' crowd while the other cohort ignores restrictions etc aren't?

How on earth or the parallel earth are the former the 'I'm alright Jack' crowd of the two? Just curious is all.

Alf Veedersane

Lundstram wrote: »

Ewan MacKenna taking Matt Cooper to task on Twitter, of course Cooper has a lot to say without saying anything. Not enough journos like MacKenna in Ireland.

Too many nodding dogs in Irish news media.

Ewan is a contrarian. Shaking your head all the time isn't a whole lot better than being a nodding dog.

Mr. Karate

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Things will get progressively better over the course of the year, with things being mostly normal in the second half of 2021, with limitations on large events, nightclubs and travel. This is worth looking forward to.

Things won't return to 2019 normal with zero restriction and full international travel until mid 2022 at the earliest.

I think people will be content with that as long as we keep progressing to that. Even if it is slowly. Last summer we crawled our way out of lockdown and when we actually had some freedom they threw us back into a lockdown just because.

PTH2009

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I think people will be content with that as long as we keep progressing to that. Even if it is slowly. Last summer we crawled our way out of lockdown and when we actually had some freedom they threw us back into a lockdown just because.

A certain people returned to there role and the first thing he done was recommend lockdown before he even stepped foot back in his office

As you said i'll be content if we have some sort of defiant plan and not this 'ah we wait and see at the time' stuff

Alf Veedersane

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I think people will be content with that as long as we keep progressing to that. Even if it is slowly. Last summer we crawled our way out of lockdown and when we actually had some freedom they threw us back into a lockdown just because.

Just because the cases went above the peak in April?

Mr. Karate

Level 42 wrote: »

sam mcconkey just said its another 3- 5 years of it -today fm

What the hell do they hope to get with talk like that besides inevitable societal unrest?

Alf Veedersane

Level 42 wrote: »

sam mcconkey just said its another 3- 5 years of it -today fm

Sam McConkey should be removed from the stage. He doesn't do anyone any favours and actually turns people against him.

Coybig_

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Just because the cases went above the peak in April?

There was evidence that Level 3 was beginning to work before Tony came back and stamped his feet about Level 5.

There is also a reasonable argument to be made that going to Level 5 as they did exacerbated the problems we now find ourselves in.

Level 5 restrictions, to promising that those restrictions could help us to a 'meaningful christmas', to opening up just before Christmas for a few weeks, telling people literally as we opened that more Level 5 restrictions were on their way!

ypres5

ShineOn7 wrote: »

He hasn't gained the "McDonkey" nickname for nothing

That said, we're not getting out of this in 2021

we should be out of it once over 60s and the vulnerable are vaccinated

Mr. Karate

PTH2009 wrote: »

A certain people returned to there role and the first thing he done was recommend lockdown before he even stepped foot back in his office

As you said i'll be content if we have some sort of defiant plan and not this 'ah we wait and see at the time' stuff

A Definitive plan is long overdue. We all thought the "Living with Covid" plan was it, but that was chucked out the window the second it was announced because they haven't gotten over their love affair with lockdowns. Hopefully now that they got word that they're running out of money they'll start acting like adults and start opening up and stay open this time.

Alf Veedersane

Coybig_ wrote: »

There was evidence that Level 3 was beginning to work before Tony came back and stamped his feet about Level 5.

There is also a reasonable argument to be made that going to Level 5 as they did exacerbated the problems we now find ourselves in.

Level 5 restrictions, to promising that those restrictions could help us to a 'meaningful christmas', to opening up just before Christmas for a few weeks, telling people literally as we opened that more Level 5 restrictions were on their way!

Level 3 wasnt working. The incidence rate was going up in Dublin where it had been in effect for long enough and the rate of increase wasn't slowing. It's all there in the daily reports on the HPSC reports. Plenty of people jumped on that bandwagon but it simply doesn't stack up.

The evidence from Dublin didn't support the idea that Level 3 was working.

The problem wasn't going to level 5...it was that (a) they reopened too much too fast and (b) they said that things would be shut up again after Christmas. People went out and made hay. The 6 weeks before that wasnt the issue.

I'm not a lockdown merchant (people tend to be labelled that for some reason). Its shíte. But I can see the rationale at the time it was implemented.

That said, the government haven't a breeze what they're doing. Theres been no attempt to have a proper plan in place and they've played politics rather than try do things properly.

ThunbergsAreGo

That McConky interview has affected my mental health.

Flatten the curve
Wait for the Vaccine
Another 3 to 5 years

What next.

An absolute misery merchant

S_D

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

That McConky interview has affected my mental health.

Flatten the curve
Wait for the Vaccine
Another 3 to 5 years

What next.

you forgot new strains :pac:

ShineOn7

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

That McConky interview has affected my mental health.

McDonkey and Cooper are getting decimated on Twitter since it aired. That show has a listenership of 300,00 ffs. Cooper didn't challenge him on any of it

This thread is just a sample

https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1359211137397620743

sReq | uTeK

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I just find it hilarious that Tony Holohan is making calls that impact us all without question.

The latest going against the immunizations and EU recommendations that all over 70s get for instance AstraZeneca and instead holding out for the Pfizer drug which in the mean time they could be dead.

I mean wtf..where is his expert knowledge and if are not taking the so called experts advice why are the tax payers paying them for.

Did anyone bother to look at the stats? As of late last week not a single death occurred from Covid between the ages of 0-25. There is one now. 25 died between the ages of 25-45. That's 0.012% against 194k positive cases...

Those that died 8 out of 10 had underlying issued with significant numbers of those having upwards of three defects.

This is just pure scare mongering for anyone under the age of 45 to feel threatened by this is nonsensical, more chance of being hit by a car.

As for the over 50s. 1000% get them vaccinated and quickly and then we wool see a 90% reduction. Then move on.

I suspect it will take Russia or America invading a country, always a on the agenda for a new american president,to rid the airwaves of covid.

Lastly, does anyone find the balance of reporting absolutely mad.

The death rate is currently 1% similar to the flu in those over 65...but let's not take hard evidence away from media clicks.

and just like that, when the cases are down to 500s I have to search for it on the IT app. Over 1.5k and it was headline news all week.

ShineOn7

growleaves wrote: »

Fairytale type lives? Lol

You're basically says that living in a prison state for years, indefinitely, is the latest advance in medicine. It's not believable sorry. All that is left is for people to admit that living a normal life shouldn't be illegal.

I'm not basically saying that

At all.

I'm saying it's not going to end this year

There's too much shíte to fix in one year

thebaz

Level 42 wrote: »

sam mcconkey just said its another 3- 5 years of it -today fm

Yeah , and no new virus or mutation will arrive in next 5 years - McConkey earns a massive salary to warn the rest of us to stop living and avoid all forms of risk. Eneogh is eneogh for those that want to start living again, we locked down to save the health system from over-crowding (as it does each January) - We did this , people need to start living again , and addressing other issues like mental health / education and other more deadly deseases - cancers and heart issues - Those lives matter too.

Lundstram

ShineOn7 wrote: »

McDonkey and Cooper are getting decimated on Twitter since it aired. That show has a listenership of 300,00 ffs. Cooper didn't challenge him on any of it

This thread is just a sample

https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1359211137397620743

Of course MacKenna is just a crank. :rolleyes: Need more journos like him firing back at the nonsense the likes of McConkey are spouting on a daily basis.

Cooper would change his tune if he was put on €350 per week. All very easy to be so dismissive of these restrictions when you're on full pay.

Mr. Karate

Lundstram wrote: »

Of course MacKenna is just a crank. :rolleyes: Need more journos like him firing back at the nonsense the likes of McConkey are spouting on a daily basis.

Cooper would change his tune if he was put on €350 per week. All very easy to be so dismissive of these restrictions when you're on full pay.

If Holohan, Martin and Varadkar were on the €350 throughout this they would have gotten over their love affair with lockdowns last year.

GeorgeBailey

ShineOn7 wrote: »

McDonkey and Cooper are getting decimated on Twitter since it aired. That show has a listenership of 300,00 ffs. Cooper didn't challenge him on any of it

This thread is just a sample

https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1359211137397620743

They'll be taking note of how much online reaction they're getting and loving it. No such thing as bad publicity. I'd say Matt Cooper has McConkey booked to come back asap. (i'm not a fan of either of them, particularly the catastrophising McConkey).

ShineOn7

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

No such thing as bad publicity

In normal times I'd say yes

But Cooper lost many, many listeners today for good

https://twitter.com/caramel_owens/status/1359255872061526021


https://twitter.com/Woolberto/status/1359228076291485697

growleaves

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

They'll be taking note of how much online reaction they're getting and loving it. No such thing as bad publicity. I'd say Matt Cooper has McConkey booked to come back asap. (i'm not a fan of either of them, particularly the catastrophising McConkey).

Bottom of the barrel ethical standards if they are willing to destroy the morale of the country over clickbait.

ShineOn7

I think Leo needs to let Mehole get on with the main messaging till it's his "turn" again

He's never out of all forms of media. Be it print, radio, TV or whatever

Leo Varadkar: ‘I want to make sure this pandemic is a lost year or so, not a lost decade’

“My best guess ... is that we’ll have a relatively normal summer in that the shops will be open, personal services will be open and domestic tourism will be a real possibility. And potentially outdoor gatherings of 10 to 15 people, maybe even 50 but nothing beyond that until we have a critical mass vaccinated of 70 to 80 per cent; we’re aiming for September for that.

“There is still a worry about next winter because it does seem there’s a seasonal element to this virus. People are indoors more and you’re 20 times more likely to get it indoors than out. So there will be a concern about a fourth wave of some sort next winter and there will be huge caution about allowing mass gatherings until we get through another winter.


“That’s a hard message to sell and not what people want to hear but I think it’s better to be honest about these things.”

Full article here https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/leo-varadkar-i-want-to-make-sure-this-pandemic-is-a-lost-year-or-so-not-a-lost-decade-1.4480399

leahyl

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I think Leo needs to let Mehole get on with the main messaging till it's his "turn" again

He's never out of all forms of media. Be it print, radio, TV or whatever



Full article here https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/leo-varadkar-i-want-to-make-sure-this-pandemic-is-a-lost-year-or-so-not-a-lost-decade-1.4480399

Jesus Leo, let us get over this Winter first would ya, before you start talking about the next one!

Mr. Karate

leahyl wrote: »

Jesus Leo, let us get over this Winter first would ya, before you start talking about the next one!

Just a few weeks ago they were already talking about cancelling Christmas 2021. So they have form. We can't emerge from a lockdown without talking about another one.

And people on here why I and some others say that Leo and Co. do not want this to end. They give us plenty of ammo. Though I can't imagine too many lockdowns in 2022. Leo will be back in charge by Dec 2022 so he'll want normality back by then so he can play the big Hero.

Samsonsmasher

This summer will hopefully be a long hot one and St Stephen's Green, The Phoenix Park and all the beaches and beauty spots are going to be packed with young people having fun in the sun please God same as last summer and masks and distancing will go out the window!

The chan chan man

I have a massive pain in my bollokcs at this stage. I have a wife, 2 kids, a good job (wfh) and no motivation for any of it. Fcuk this

Jinglejangle69

Amazing how early January when we had 6,000 cases a day people were slating the government for having the worst record.

Now its died down people are angry they are slow to ease restrictions.

Can't win either way.