When will it all end?

El_Duderino 09

Multipass wrote: »

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Edited to add - what can I do.... one thing I’ve decided is that after the elderly are vaccinated I won’t be fuelling the numbers game here by ever getting a test unless I’m very ill. If healthy people refuse tests the daily numbers will drop amazingly.

I suppose you think that’s clever, but god almighty, don’t encourage others to do likewise. That’s a great recipe for spreading the virus. The normal thing is that someone suspects they might have covid, gets a test, gets a positive result and and then isolates and contacts all their close contacts so they can isolate or be tested if necessary. That’s how to keep the transmissions low.

Trump said he thought a good approach would be to test less to find fewer positive cases. It’s playing a game, but it’s a terrible idea. Play whatever games you want, you want but please don’t encourage others to do likewise.

GazzaL

Multipass wrote: »

My teen is one of them, 1st year in college inside the bedroom. I can’t emphasise enough how damaging it continues to be. Now with all the gloom from our leaders, I’m encouraging her to defer next year and get the hell out of here. Working abroad for the year is a much better prospect than more of this ****e.

Edited to add - what can I do.... one thing I’ve decided is that after the elderly are vaccinated I won’t be fuelling the numbers game here by ever getting a test unless I’m very ill. If healthy people refuse tests the daily numbers will drop amazingly.

You're not the only ones in that position. I know some that decided to spend the last year working rather than starting college in their bedrooms. From academic, social, and personal development standpoints, distance learning from your bedroom at that age is ludicrous. What they'll do next year, I don't know. Emigration would be a reasonable consideration if the current situation continues.

Like you, if I was experiencing COVID symptoms, I would choose to isolate at home rather than go for a test and needlessly add to case numbers.

franciscanpunk

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah can see a lot of the social stuff been moved exclusively to Levels 1/2 which in itself would be practically impossible to get too

Going to be a very nervous few weeks

Absolutely, i lost a lot of interest when they started making modifications to the previous levels. like why not set the restrictions per level and set exit and entry criteria bssed on metrics related to hospital numbers, positivity rate, or whatever else they think is an important stat.

Multipass

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I suppose you think that’s clever, but god almighty, don’t encourage others to do likewise. That’s a great recipe for spreading the virus. The normal thing is that someone suspects they might have covid, gets a test, gets a positive result and and then isolates and contacts all their close contacts so they can isolate or be tested if necessary. That’s how to keep the transmissions low.

Trump said he thought a good approach would be to test less to find fewer positive cases. It’s playing a game, but it’s a terrible idea. Play whatever games you want, you want but please don’t encourage others to do likewise.

Once the vulnerable are vaccinated it’s game over. I don’t care how much transmission there is, I’ll stay away from people if I’m ill just like I would with flu or colds. It’s hysteria and it needs to stop.

Hmob

Can't see the point of a plan right now?

ujjjjjjjjj

Chopper Dave wrote: »

Hadn’t heard the news properly in a couple of days and was really struck by the Leo and McConkey interviews last night. What changed? And when?

Also sick of the Govt approach which is we will have a plan, but in two weeks. Cue days of leaks and speculation about what will happen accompanied by outraged lobby groups, unions, NPHET etc. Then the weekend before the Sunday Independent will publish the entire plan. Depending on Liveline the next day, the Govt will amend the final plan accordingly.

Then, we will all realise that the plan hasn’t been thought through and the govt will correct those contradictions. The following week the govt commits to a reviewing the plan - but in two weeks. Repeat cycle again

Whatever about Leo the Leak just ignore McConkey, cannot understand how this guy is still on the airwaves. Any media agency publishing or talking to him may as well start on Moon landing conspiracy theories or where is Shergar stuff.

Do yourself a favour and just ignore him.

Re 'the plan' there is no reason not to publish it today. It really only needs one line.

'Once all people over xx years and the people under this age who are vulnerable are vaccinated we are lifting all restrictions entirely'.

Xx for me is 65, for O'Leary it's 50. But insert your choice......

If it contains anything else it is utter insanity and this mess is gonna go on and on and on and on and on and on....and McConkey will be on the airwaves forever.

ujjjjjjjjj

Multipass wrote: »

Once the vulnerable are vaccinated it’s game over. I don’t care how much transmission there is, I’ll stay away from people if I’m ill just like I would with flu or colds. It’s hysteria and it needs to stop.

Absolutely 100% agree......

El_Duderino 09

Multipass wrote: »

Once the vulnerable are vaccinated it’s game over. I don’t care how much transmission there is, I’ll stay away from people if I’m ill just like I would with flu or colds. It’s hysteria and it needs to stop.

Ok. There will always be people who will let everyone down. You can tell a lot about people from how they behave in an emergency. The government behavioural insights people will factor people who behave like you say you will and the whole thing will go on longer.

You’re not subverting the system, you’re just justifying keeping the restrictions for longer than otherwise would be necessary. You’ve referred to a game both of those posts. It’s not really a game thought, is it? I certainly don’t see it as a game. It’s livelihoods, mental and physical health, and normal human interaction at stake. You can play games if you want, but I wouldn’t advise it.

PTH2009

Hmob wrote: »

Can't see the point of a plan right now?

Yeah the government haven't a bloody clue what there at and no doubt there will be many hiccups with the new Living With Covid plan

dublin_paul

Multipass wrote: »

My teen is one of them, 1st year in college inside the bedroom. I can’t emphasise enough how damaging it continues to be. Now with all the gloom from our leaders, I’m encouraging her to defer next year and get the hell out of here. Working abroad for the year is a much better prospect than more of this ****e.

Edited to add - what can I do.... one thing I’ve decided is that after the elderly are vaccinated I won’t be fuelling the numbers game here by ever getting a test unless I’m very ill. If healthy people refuse tests the daily numbers will drop amazingly.

Your poor child. I really feel for the young people right now having some of the most fun years of their 20s destroyed by covid and government restrictions.

Sierra Oscar

Egh it's going to be a long few months ahead.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1359596883304452103

Mr. Karate

Hmob wrote: »

Can't see the point of a plan right now?

To continue to give us a false sense of hope.

AdamD

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. There will always be people who will let everyone down. You can tell a lot about people from how they behave in an emergency. The government behavioural insights people will factor people who behave like you say you will and the whole thing will go on longer.

You’re not subverting the system, you’re just justifying keeping the restrictions for longer than otherwise would be necessary. You’ve referred to a game both of those posts. It’s not really a game thought, is it? I certainly don’t see it as a game. It’s livelihoods, mental and physical health, and normal human interaction at stake. You can play games if you want, but I wouldn’t advise it.

This doesn't really make sense though does it? You're saying because people are socialising, we're going to need rules to stop them socialising for longer. So if people stop socialising, we will be able to allow them to socialise sooner?

There will be restrictions until we vaccinate a certain percentage. Nothing else speeds this up or slows it down

Mr. Karate

Mastroianni wrote: »

Leo said that...and do you believe it will be pragmatically possible to have the festivals back in summer? Mega LOL!
First we face the truth and first we will be prepared mentally

Leo's been talking out of both sides of his mouth. Outdoors pints and social gatherings this summer one instance. Lockdowns for another 4 months the next. It seems like he's trying to hedge his bets so matter what happens come Summer he'll be right. And he'll never be called out on this because the media has a love affair with him.

AdamD

AdamD wrote: »

This doesn't really make sense though does it? You're saying because people are socialising, we're going to need rules to stop them socialising for longer. So if people stop socialising, we will be able to allow them to socialise sooner?

There will be restrictions until we vaccinate a certain percentage. Nothing else speeds this up or slows it down

Quite a lot of what that poster says makes little sense. Ironic really, given how intelligent he seems to think his insights into human nature are.

hatrickpatrick

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well, I don’t know if there can be mass gatherings with distancing.

I'm talking about mass gatherings without distancing. We were told that mass vaccination was the holy grail in order to return to this (matches, concerts, house parties, busy restaurants and pubs, etc) and now we're being told that even with mass vaccination, we can't do this.

I'm simply pointing out that this is ridiculous. If mass vaccination isn't enough to bring about the return of social normality, what is? Nobody seems to be able to answer that question. What would be the bar, if mass vaccination is no longer that bar? Even though it was just a few short hellishly long weeks ago?

ujjjjjjjjj

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Egh it's going to be a long few months ahead.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1359596883304452103

Goalpost shifting in full swing......this is a mess. They just don't want to let go...

Dickie10

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm talking about mass gatherings without distancing. We were told that mass vaccination was the holy grail in order to return to this (matches, concerts, house parties, busy restaurants and pubs, etc) and now we're being told that even with mass vaccination, we can't do this.

I'm simply pointing out that this is ridiculous. If mass vaccination isn't enough to bring about the return of social normality, what is? Nobody seems to be able to answer that question. What would be the bar, if mass vaccination is no longer that bar? Even though it was just a few short hellishly long weeks ago?

they will be , i am not moving from that point , i have a feeling this current doom is to get another 3 weeks out of us and then go to level 4.5 til after easter. numbers will be down and icu and hospitalistion down too. id say level 3.5 mid /late april . june we will see hotels/restaoutunts open. the govenment need money quick. there wont be restrictions in winter as covid cases will be tiny. vulnerable vaxxed. Like can someone tell me, as more and more of the unvaccinated are left from august onwards day those 18-40 how will enough of them know they have covid if half are carrying no symtoms, there simply wont be enough people going forward for testing to get cases because very fw will be sick in this age bracket. if your 35 and feeling a slight symptom in july with all vulneerable and over 60s vaxxed, will you really bother going to a doctor to get tested?

latency89

Multipass wrote: »

Once the vulnerable are vaccinated it’s game over. I don’t care how much transmission there is, I’ll stay away from people if I’m ill just like I would with flu or colds. It’s hysteria and it needs to stop.

Exactly

I did the same few weeks ago, didn't go for a test, it was a mild head cold no more, my wife was pretty sick in fairness, but she panicked when she knew she had it imo, she turned into a right state when she got that confirmation txt from HSE and all her colleagues in work ringing each other about the outbreak and scaring each other

While myself and the 2 kids got head colds and battled through fine with no test, kids had barely any symptoms, losing smell was only thing that bothered me, had no appetite over it.

I'll tell you I got more hassle from family, friends, wife etc, go for a test, you have to test the kids, ye all have it, madness, be prepared for that and the 17 days off daily txts at 8am to self isolate from hse

Boggerman12

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Goalpost shifting in full swing......this is a mess. They just don't want to let go...

And I see Martin is saying there will be no economic cliff edge.2008 anyone

Mastroianni

Boggerman12 wrote: »

And I see Martin is saying there will be no economic cliff edge.2008 anyone

facepalm intensifies...

latency89

Multipass wrote: »

My teen is one of them, 1st year in college inside the bedroom. I can’t emphasise enough how damaging it continues to be. Now with all the gloom from our leaders, I’m encouraging her to defer next year and get the hell out of here. Working abroad for the year is a much better prospect than more of this ****e.

Edited to add - what can I do.... one thing I’ve decided is that after the elderly are vaccinated I won’t be fuelling the numbers game here by ever getting a test unless I’m very ill. If healthy people refuse tests the daily numbers will drop amazingly.

Hard to read that

Poor kids, such a crap life they have now

I can remember my freshers week like it was only yesterday, GPO in Galway everynight, Killers Mr Brightside on everywhere, live music, free shots on entrance to clubs, easy american students, not so easy spanish students ;-)

Every 2nd male student thinking they are Seth from the OC as it was popular at the time.

I look at my 4 and 8 year old now sleeping and think what kind of hell they are going to grow up in

Yearly vaccines of god knows what for the next the 70-80 years

What a future they will have

Sad :-(

Hmob

On the plan again, I can't see the point

As far as I can see the government is just buying time until they know what to do

A definite plan seems a good way off like nearer the end of the year

Coybig_

Boggerman12 wrote: »

And I see Martin is saying there will be no economic cliff edge.2008 anyone

Varadkar told the Mirror today that they were increasingly aware and concerned of the money being spent at the moment.

Luckily all the young people who are most affected by lockdown and least affected by the virus have their whole lives to look forward to - paying this back.

What a hand they've been dealt - no college/school experience, no housing affordability and burdened with the billions borrowed for something which doesn't affect them!

Sierra Oscar

Coybig_ wrote: »

Luckily all the young people who are most affected by lockdown and least affected by the virus have their whole lives to look forward to - paying this back.

To be honest we are either facing a situation where the debt from all of this is rolled over ad finitum or we are facing a spectacular economic collapse which will wipe out investment funds and with them the pensions of people due to retire in the short to medium term. Young people are hardy, they'll get through whatever challenges lay ahead.

Samsonsmasher

Coybig_ wrote: »

Varadkar told the Mirror today that they were increasingly aware and concerned of the money being spent at the moment.

Luckily all the young people who are most affected by lockdown and least affected by the virus have their whole lives to look forward to - paying this back.

What a hand they've been dealt - no college/school experience, no housing affordability and burdened with the billions borrowed for something which doesn't affect them!

At some point young people are going to openly rebel. We could have serious violence and disorder.
They are literally living through a real life Footloose.
Everything fun and enterraining is banned.
NPHET are almost like comic book villains and freaks.

Lundstram

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

To be honest we are either facing a situation where the debt from all of this is rolled over ad finitum or we are facing a spectacular economic collapse which will wipe out investment funds and with them the pensions of people due to retire in the short to medium term. Young people are hardy, they'll get through whatever challenges lay ahead.

ECB cut interest rates on savings a few weeks ago, it was largely unreported due to the media wankfest over Covid19. That is a massive development by the ECB, they are seeing things they don't like. People are hoarding money right now and terrified to spend it as they know what's coming down the line in terms of austerity.

There's a perception people will spend like crazy once restrictions ease, I dont see that happening due to the rip-off nature of tourism in Ireland, people will continue to hoard cash until they can go abroad. Could be well over a year until we are allowed leave this kip.

There's big trouble down the line. It's been swept under the carpet for now to ensure compliance with these nonsense restrictions. Our last budget was a kicking the can down the road exercise.

Terrible to say, probably, but I really hope we start to run out of money soon because I can't take much more of this.

Hmob

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

At some point young people are going to openly rebel. We could have serious violence and disorder.
They are literally living through a real life Footloose.
Everything fun and enterraining is banned.
NPHET are almost like comic book villains and freaks.

Most of them already getting on with life id say

aziz

Boggerman12 wrote: »

And I see Martin is saying there will be no economic cliff edge.2008 anyone

Ah yeah,another “soft landing “

ujjjjjjjjj

Boggerman12 wrote: »

And I see Martin is saying there will be no economic cliff edge.2008 anyone

If there is one mention of a soft landing then we are goosed.......