When will it all end?

Micky 32

Tazz T wrote: »

UK will not stay closed over summer. Our lot couldn't have that.

MM today has said travel restrictions will be in place for the remainder of the year.

Quazzie

Micky 32 wrote: »

MM today has said travel restrictions will be in place for the remainder of the year.

Source?

franciscanpunk

We are in a worse place than we were 9 months ago, we have less than 2% of the population fully vaccinated, we were pretty sure full lockdown in April 2020, April 2021 we will be in lockdown with possibly slightly more restrictions. My job have said no office return until october at d earliest, if october is an early date for a phased office reopening people hardly think a few weeks later they'll be having a decent xmas!?

I know people are going to say that a return normal is possible and its just media speculation driving fear it wont but its a media fueled by leaks from our decision makers,

Micky 32

Quazzie wrote: »

Source?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/further-20-countries-to-be-added-to-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-list-1079371.html

Multipass

Micky 32 wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/further-20-countries-to-be-added-to-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-list-1079371.html

Is there any kind of list published with guidelines of essential reasons? For instance how sick do family members need to be to be classed as essential?
This is a low point for me, I couldn’t really care if the sun didn’t rise tomorrow.

Micky 32

Multipass wrote: »

This is a low point for me, I couldn’t really care if the sun didn’t rise tomorrow.

I know how you feel. I suppose one way of looking at it he said “ remainder of the year” and not “ permanently forever” there is an end point.

El_Duderino 09

AdamD wrote: »

This doesn't really make sense though does it? You're saying because people are socialising, we're going to need rules to stop them socialising for longer. So if people stop socialising, we will be able to allow them to socialise sooner?

There will be restrictions until we vaccinate a certain percentage. Nothing else speeds this up or slows it down

I’m not sure I mentioned socialising at all tbh so I don’t think you’ve captured the essence of my post at all.

But if transmissions go down and stay down, then there will be more headroom to loosen restrictions sooner. We all know that loosening restrictions leads to more transmissions. We also know that the warmer weather will reduce transmissions for various reasons. Those factors work together inform policy.

For example:if numbers don’t go down over the next few months, then restrictions are unlikely to be loosened. Of if numbers go down and stay down, then restrictions are likely to be loosened in the coming months.

The more people that don’t report covid cases, the more uncertainty there will be at policy making level. And I think we know they have erred on the side of caution. They will factor things like, the posters who said they won’t get a test if they get covid, into the equations.

None of that is confusing and you could have thought of it too, if you tried.

Mastroianni

Quazzie wrote: »

Source?

sorry maybe is written somewhere, but who is gonna pay this hotel?!

bucketybuck

Micky 32 wrote: »

But when you look past the headlines the plan is to extent the lockdown for a couple of months not forever. Yes i know a couple more months is a pain in the bollix but in the grand scheme of things is it really that long?

It wouldn't be so long if it was the first time we had heard that.

A couple more months. And then a couple more. And just a few more. Stay strong, just a few more months. Nearly there, we're all in this together, just a few more months.

**** them, we're not donkeys so stop dangling carrots in front of our noses.

Micky 32

bucketybuck wrote: »

It wouldn't be so long if it was the first time we had heard that.

A couple more months. And then a couple more. And just a few more. Stay strong, just a few more months. Nearly there, we're all in this together, just a few more months.

**** them, we're not donkeys so stop dangling carrots in front of our noses.

Yes i understand what you mean. I’m being a bit more positive now because we have vaccines now. It’s a different ball game.

El_Duderino 09

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-astrazeneca-on-course-to-roll-out-jab-for-new-variants-by-autumn-12215002

“COVID-19: AstraZeneca on course to roll out jab for new variants by autumn
The company says clinical trials for the next generation of coronavirus jab would commence in the spring.”

This is positive news for next year. As long as this goes to plan and they can keep up with the virus, then it’s positive news indeed.

El_Duderino 09

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm talking about mass gatherings without distancing. We were told that mass vaccination was the holy grail in order to return to this (matches, concerts, house parties, busy restaurants and pubs, etc) and now we're being told that even with mass vaccination, we can't do this.

I'm simply pointing out that this is ridiculous. If mass vaccination isn't enough to bring about the return of social normality, what is? Nobody seems to be able to answer that question. What would be the bar, if mass vaccination is no longer that bar? Even though it was just a few short hellishly long weeks ago?

Oh. You think there will be mass gatherings without distancing? Do you think they will happen this year or next year or when? Not sure what to tell you.

I think the vaccine was always the first step to getting back to normal. Nothing would change without the vaccine but I never thought the world would go back to normal over a few weeks with a vaccine.

I’m not sure how we ended up with such vastly different expectations. I don’t think I ever heard an actual authority telling me that things would go back to normal straight after the vaccine. I remember loads of decent speakers who had nuanced and caveated opinions on how things would likely go once the vaccine administration began.

My understanding is that the vaccine would be part of a process of getting back to normal. Where did you get the impression that there would be full stadiums for matches or festivals without distancing this year? Who actually told you that would happen?

Mr. Karate

bucketybuck wrote: »

It wouldn't be so long if it was the first time we had heard that.

A couple more months. And then a couple more. And just a few more. Stay strong, just a few more months. Nearly there, we're all in this together, just a few more months.

**** them, we're not donkeys so stop dangling carrots in front of our noses.

This has been their plan [if you can call it that] since Day 1. Kick the can down the road as much as humanly possible.

hynesie08

Mr. Karate wrote: »

This has been their plan [if you can call it that] since Day 1. Kick the can down the road as much as humanly possible.

Assuming you're right (you're not), what's the end game? Or are they facing political and economic ruin for ****s and giggles?

bucketybuck

hynesie08 wrote: »

Assuming you're right (you're not), what's the end game? Or are they facing political and economic ruin for ****s and giggles?

Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.

Chopper Dave

hynesie08 wrote: »

Assuming you're right (you're not), what's the end game? Or are they facing political and economic ruin for ****s and giggles?

I think it is to frighten the population into compliance for as long as possible thereby starting the reopening as late as possible. And I think that's because they haven't a clue what's going to happen next. I'm getting concerned that they are beginning to realise there's more problems with vaccine supply or effectiveness. Something has definitely shifted in the narrative in the last week or so both here in Ireland and in other countries.

In the real world, I think the Governments have benefited from the fact that it's the Winter and people wouldn't have been up to that much anyway. I think that will change quickly as we move to Spring. The mid-term next week will reinforce how little we've achieved since October and I think there will be more demands all round for greater flexibility. Whether that can be given or or not remains the question.

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

Assuming you're right (you're not), what's the end game? Or are they facing political and economic ruin for ****s and giggles?

It's not for ****s and giggles. Their plan is just to hope for the best, and to kick the can down the road until the solution magically appears. And now they are bricking it because vaccines are not the magical solution.

Samsonsmasher

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not for ****s and giggles. Their plan is just to hope for the best, and to kick the can down the road until the solution magically appears. And now they are bricking it because vaccines are not the magical solution.

What they are really bricking it about is the rise of SF. I am no fan of SF but they appeal to angry young people who see barriers to their advancement - to get a decent well paying job afford a house or apartment and raise a family while keeping the wolf from the door. Now those young single people doomed to live with their parents in the box room into their late twenties and thirties have had no outlet - social sexual sporting or entertainment etc due to covid.

FF FG and Lab are the grey vote many of whom are vulnerable to covid and get their news from RTE the Indo and Irish Times and are fed a diet of doom and gloom.

This phenomenon of politics parked has happened across the world.

In Spain Catalonian independence was put on pause, in France the yellow vest movement was creating havoc, in Germany the political right was on the rise, in the UK the break up of the union was occuring etc

In the next decade or two we could be dealing with Irish unification with a unionist elite and nationalist elite in the north who are rivals of eachother and threaten the southern elite who are heirs to flying column men who took either side in the civil war.

Covid has parked all of that. Mehole is on his last political legs a political dead man walking.

landofthetree

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not for ****s and giggles. Their plan is just to hope for the best, and to kick the can down the road until the solution magically appears. And now they are bricking it because vaccines are not the magical solution.

Vaccines are the answer. Just a shame that the EU project cant source enough of them for its citizens.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/more-younger-israelis-now-being-hospitalized-for-covid-than-those-60-plus/
More young Israelis are being hospitalized for COVID-19 than older ones, according to new data suggesting that Israel’s vaccination campaign may be having an effect.

BailMeOut

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

This phenomenon of politics parked has happened across the world.

USA being the exception!

latency89

landofthetree wrote: »

Vaccines are the answer. Just a shame that the EU project cant source enough of them for its citizens.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/more-younger-israelis-now-being-hospitalized-for-covid-than-those-60-plus/
More young Israelis are being hospitalized for COVID-19 than older ones, according to new data suggesting that Israel’s vaccination campaign may be having an effect.

Not being funny but have you looked at Israel's progress vs ours?

Israel have been in lockdown since the 27th Dec, we had lockdown a day earlier 26th Dec

Israel had 6,309 cases on Jan 8th

Israel had 4,427 cases on Feb 10th

Ireland had 8,227 cases on Jan 8th

Ireland had 829 cases on Feb 8th

We had a 91% case reduction, they have had less than 30% case reduction and they vaccinated country 60% of the country with at least 1 shot and lockdowned as well

landofthetree

latency89 wrote: »

Not being funny but have you looked at Israel's progress vs ours?

Israel have been in lockdown since the 27th Dec, we had lockdown a day earlier 26th Dec

Israel had 6,309 cases on Jan 8th

Israel had 4,427 cases on Feb 10th

Ireland had 8,227 cases on Jan 8th

Ireland had 829 cases on Feb 8th

We had a 91% case reduction, they have had less than 30% case reduction and they vaccinated country 60% of the country with at least 1 shot and lockdowned as well

They are opening up stuff in a few days.

Its working.

latency89

landofthetree wrote: »

They are opening up stuff in a few days.

Its working.

Opening with 4,427 cases a day?

Good plan

landofthetree

latency89 wrote: »

Opening with 4,427 cases a day?

Good plan

The unvaccinated wont be allowed do stuff.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/govt-said-planning-heavy-limits-on-leisure-to-those-who-dont-vaccinate/

latency89

landofthetree wrote: »

The unvaccinated wont be allowed do stuff.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/govt-said-planning-heavy-limits-on-leisure-to-those-who-dont-vaccinate/

You should have mentioned that

What about people that took natures vaccine?

You said in another thread they were 82% unlikely to be re-infected, are they not allowed do stuff?

Samsonsmasher

Symbicort inhaler is 90% effective at preventing hospitalizations

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9242771/Common-asthma-drug-cuts-need-send-Covid-patients-hospital-90-Oxford-says.html

This could be the way out?

josip

latency89 wrote: »

Not being funny but have you looked at Israel's progress vs ours?

Israel have been in lockdown since the 27th Dec, we had lockdown a day earlier 26th Dec

Israel had 6,309 cases on Jan 8th

Israel had 4,427 cases on Feb 10th

Ireland had 8,227 cases on Jan 8th

Ireland had 829 cases on Feb 8th

We had a 91% case reduction, they have had less than 30% case reduction and they vaccinated country 60% of the country with at least 1 shot and lockdowned as well

Israel has a big problem with its Ultra Orthodox ignoring restrictions and keeping Case numbers constantly high.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/video-shows-thousands-flouting-covid-19-rules-jerusalem-rabbi-s-n1256305

One commonality around the world is that all religious wingnuts seem to believe that their particular deity grants them immunity from Covid.

landofthetree

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Symbicort inhaler is 90% effective at preventing hospitalizations

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9242771/Common-asthma-drug-cuts-need-send-Covid-patients-hospital-90-Oxford-says.html

This could be the way out?

In six months time the world will be a much better place. Vaccines and treatments galore on the way. :cool:

latency89

josip wrote: »

Israel has a big problem with its Ultra Orthodox ignoring restrictions and keeping Case numbers constantly high.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/video-shows-thousands-flouting-covid-19-rules-jerusalem-rabbi-s-n1256305

One commonality around the world is that all religious wingnuts seem to believe that their particular deity grants them immunity from Covid.

How are they going to vaccinate them? By any means?

latency89

landofthetree wrote: »

In six months time the world will be a much better place. Vaccines and treatments galore on the way. :cool:

Was thrown out yesterday as a crap study, not enough people in it ( 156 ), unless it's a study like the vaccine's of 40,000+ it's no good apparently

90% of those 156 could have got better anyway, just like 80% only get mild sickness and 33% have no sickness.

I got a warning off a mod over it