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Was thrown out yesterday as a crap study, not enough people in it ( 156 ), unless it's a study like the vaccine's of 40,000+ it's no good apparently
90% of those 156 could have got better anyway, just like 80% only get mild sickness and 33% have no sickness.
I got a warning off a mod over it
A sample size of 146 what was this a high school science project.0 -
ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »One small study (not peer reviewed yet) that the AZ strain is showing reduced levels efficacy against preventing mild and moderate Covid than against other strains but it is still working to prevent serious disease and hospitalisations.
Best way to describe is a like every we year we get flu jabs, some work really well, other years not so well but they all help hugely.
The flu jabs are targeted at strains. There's a studies in Israel and Spain that have a bit more nuance and both recommend the quadrivalent over the trivalent. Might be worth reading. Maybe there might be some non specific protection?
The big thing about sarscov2 afaiw is the prominent spike protein that means antibodies will be able to detect and destroy it.
I'm not a virologist caveat etc.0 -
Samsonsmasher wrote: »Symbicort inhaler is 90% effective at preventing hospitalizations
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9242771/Common-asthma-drug-cuts-need-send-Covid-patients-hospital-90-Oxford-says.html
This could be the way out?
We thought the same way about the vaccines. Look how quickly they changed their tune about it.
They'll find some way to keep this no matter what comes out.0 -
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Mr. Karate wrote: »We thought the same way about the vaccines. Look how quickly they changed their tune about it.
They'll find some way to keep this no matter what comes out.
Disaster. The numbers are barely budging the past few weeks too, we'll be lucky if we're not in level 5 all summer at this rate.0 -
Mr. Karate wrote: »We thought the same way about the vaccines. Look how quickly they changed their tune about it.
I don’t think they have. The endgame is still the same. They have tightened up the narrative because they don’t want the new more transmissable strain spreading like wildfire like last xmas while the vaccination program is in progress and finished. It makes sense. This will turn around.0 -
world bank reckon around 2025
Project Name COVID-19 Strategic Preparedness and Response Program (SPRP)
Expected Project Approval Date 02-Apr-2020
Expected Program Closing Date 31-Mar-2025
Proposed Project Development Objective(s)
The Program Development Objective is to prevent, detect and respond to the threat posed by COVID-19 and
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I don’t think they have. The endgame is still the same. They have tightened up the narrative because they don’t want the new more transmissable strain spreading like wildfire like last xmas while the vaccination program is in progress and finished. It makes sense. This will turn around.
You think this makes sense ?
21000 doses are sitting in a freezer unused according to RTE's Fergal Bowers.
The HSE are only managing hundreds of doses a day.
In the UK 13.5 MILLION have already been vaccinated.
This is for a virus which will do not harm to 99.97% of the population.
This is after we were told 100000 would die last March?
We are supposed to be locked down and restricted until when?
3 to 5 years according to McConkey?
We are on our 3rd lockdown after the first two failed disastrously and caused untold damage to our economy society and people?
We are being to wear two masks by Luke O'Neill???
2000 grand fine if you want to get out of this nuthouse?
100 fine if you go more than 5km from your home?
This is non-sense.
How has the penny not dropped?0 -
Samsonsmasher wrote: »You think this makes sense ?
21000 doses are sitting in a freezer unused according to RTE's Fergal Bowers.
The HSE are only managing hundreds of doses a day.
In the UK 13.5 MILLION have already been vaccinated.
This is for a virus which will do not harm to 99.97% of the population.
This is after we were told 100000 would die last March?
We are supposed to be locked down and restricted until when?
3 to 5 years according to McConkey?
We are on our 3rd lockdown was the first two failed disastrously?
We are being to wear two masks by Luke O'Neill???
2000 grand fine if you want to get out of this nuthouse?
100 fine if you go more than 5km from your home?
This is non-sense.
How has the penny not dropped?
Come back to me in September and we’ll discuss it then.0 -
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Samsonsmasher wrote: »You think this makes sense ?
2000 grand fine if you want to get out of this nuthouse?
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Loads of people have been safely ignoring the restrictions for months. Even at level 5:
People are continuing to do non-essential work
People are getting haircuts and beauty treatments
People are breaking the 5km limit every day of the week
People are socialising with meals and drinks
I'm more taken aback by people who are blindly following all the restrictions at this stage. Apart from wearing masks in shops, and some businesses not having the balls to stand up for themselves yet, this whole thing is over as far as I'm concerned. It's not just young people that are ignoring the restrictions either, there are people in their 60s, 70s, and even 80s who aren't abiding by them.
If someone wants to shut themselves in their bunker, that's grand. Don't expect everyone else to do the same though.0 -
WhatSamsonsmasher wrote: »You think this makes sense ?21000 doses are sitting in a freezer unused according to RTE's Fergal Bowers.
It's called a buffer, over 90% of vaccines are in arms.
Between 40 and 50 thousand doses a week is not hundreds a day.The HSE are only managing hundreds of doses a day.In the UK 13.5 MILLION have already been vaccinated.
No they haven't, they've received the first dose. We've actually fully vaccinated a higher %.
Base any of your arguments in reality and pop back here.0 -
Samsonsmasher wrote: »2000 grand fine if you want to get out of this nuthouse?
2 million is absolutely ridiculous in fairness.0 -
However, in terms of doses, the UK have administered about four times as many as Ireland per capita. This is probably the more important figure. It means that if the UK were adopting the same strategy as Ireland with follow up shots a few weeks after the first, about four times would be fully vaccinated now in the UK than Ireland per capita.No they haven't, they've received the first dose. We've actually fully vaccinated a higher %.
Base any of your arguments in reality and pop back here.0 -
Going back to the OP's question, when will it all end, well how long is a piece of string.
2021 is not going to be the 2021 many people envisioned, even a month ago.
This year will see longer lockdowns and restrictions with border controls.
We wont be having a full house on All-Ireland day.
Restrictions will ease later on in the year but to be honest some form will exist until next year.
If people are looking at normal, Feb 2020 normal. Maybe end of next year, with a gradual process in getting there from here.0 -
El_Duderino 09 wrote: »Oh. You think there will be mass gatherings without distancing? Do you think they will happen this year or next year or when? Not sure what to tell you.
When we have mass vaccination, just as our politicians spent most of last Autumn telling us?I think the vaccine was always the first step to getting back to normal. Nothing would change without the vaccine but I never thought the world would go back to normal over a few weeks with a vaccine.
Fair enough, but the question is, when does it, and what is the criteria? If not a vaccine, what?I’m not sure how we ended up with such vastly different expectations. I don’t think I ever heard an actual authority telling me that things would go back to normal straight after the vaccine. I remember loads of decent speakers who had nuanced and caveated opinions on how things would likely go once the vaccine administration began.
My understanding is that the vaccine would be part of a process of getting back to normal. Where did you get the impression that there would be full stadiums for matches or festivals without distancing this year? Who actually told you that would happen?
Leo Varadkar.El_Duderino 09 wrote: »Oh. You think there will be mass gatherings without distancing? Do you think they will happen this year or next year or when? Not sure what to tell you.
I think the vaccine was always the first step to getting back to normal. Nothing would change without the vaccine but I never thought the world would go back to normal over a few weeks with a vaccine.
I’m not sure how we ended up with such vastly different expectations. I don’t think I ever heard an actual authority telling me that things would go back to normal straight after the vaccine. I remember loads of decent speakers who had nuanced and caveated opinions on how things would likely go once the vaccine administration began.
My understanding is that the vaccine would be part of a process of getting back to normal. Where did you get the impression that there would be full stadiums for matches or festivals without distancing this year? Who actually told you that would happen?
Leo Varadkar FFS!
https://www.irishpost.com/news/varadkar-matches-concerts-and-festivals-could-return-by-the-summer-199483
"If things work out with the summer, [there’s] the possibility of returning to things like football matches, and maybe even concerts and festivals and gatherings too,” he said.
"The first quarter of the year is still difficult," as it is still winter and the vaccination is still being deployed, but "the second quarter of the year, life is starting to look a little bit more normal again."
Now again, my point is this. If there's a delay to the administration of the vaccine, then obviously social distancing is also extended. What's really f*cking with me and many others now is that they're saying on the one hand that we could still have mass vaccination by the end of September, and on the other hand that we'll still have to have social distancing next Christmas.
Ok, so fair enough - twelve weeks after mass vaccination isn't enough time. My question is, what is?
What is the criteria for doing away with social distancing?
If it's not mass vaccination, then what is it?
This shouldn't be as complicated a question as it seems to be for you to get your head around.
I'm not asking for an end date, I'm asking for criteria. The previous criteria was around 80% vaccination. Leo's latest remarks indicate that this is no longer the case. So what is?
This is where the "they want us to stay 2m away from strangers for the rest of our lives" pessimism is coming from. Because they're now saying that they'll want us to do that even after we're all vaccinated, but failing to provide any alternative yardstick or criteria for being able to stop doing it.
And for many people - extroverts, music lovers, single people who would like to date and, dare I say it, ride, people who enjoy or work in hospitality, young people who haven't made their post-school friends yet, etc etc etc - this is the burning question. Because as long as we have to stay 2m from strangers and we can't have parties, concerts, clubs, etc, there's pretty much no possibility of either making new friends or getting the ride.
Nobody is asking for a definitive end date. What we're asking for is an idea of the criteria for this. Previously, we were told that it was mass vaccination. Now, we're being told that it isn't.
So what is it?
What has to happen in order for people to be able to go to a concert, dance with a crowd of strangers and possibly leave with a date arranged because they met someone? What has to happen in order for freshers to go to a club with their new college class and make friends? What has to happen for people to be able to celebrate birthdays, weddings, graduations, etc with a crowd of their friends in their gaff or in a restaurant or nightclub, hugging ,shaking hands, etc etc etc?
Again, not asking for a date. Asking for criteria.
I don't know how much more simply I can put this. We were told that vaccines were the gatekeeper to re-acquiring these basic aspects of being a social species. Now, we're told that they aren't.
This leaves us in the terrifying limbo of not having a clue what actually has to happen in order for the government to announce that the next time you meet your friends, you can sit together on the same couch and have a few beers, or that the next time you match with somebody on Tinder, you can actually go out with them and maybe even kiss them at the end of the date. That when you start college, you can meet your class in a group. That when you turn 30, 40, 50, you can have your friends in your house or to a bar or restaurant, sit around a table, eat some food, and have some fun.
Finally, and I'm repeating this because you really don't seem to be getting it, nobody is asking for a date for these things. We're asking for criteria.
Leo said several weeks ago that we could have festivals and concerts back if everyone was vaccinated by September. Now, he's saying that even if everyone is vaccinated, we still have to socially distance for some indefinite period thereafter.
That is what's pissing people off. That is what, in my view, is an unacceptable limbo to leave people in. All we're asking for is clarity. And I'm absolutely not being hyperbolic in saying this, but in all honesty if anyone in charge expects us to live in social bubbles with no outside interaction for the rest of our lives, I suspect many people would rather they tell us now so we can fashion our own exits from this rapidly disintegrating world.
That isn't hyperbole. Without being able to meaningfully socialise, date, and live like humans, life genuinely doesn't feel like it's worth living. And most people can bear that as long as it's temporary, but this incredibly distressing and frankly terrifying commentary in recent days which suggests that social distancing will remain post-vaccination for some nightmarishly long, and yet completely undefined and unchecked period of time is pushing many people I know personally over the edge. Everyone was doing relatively ok until these comments were made but I've seen more meltdowns about the future from people I know in the last week than I have throughout most of 2020, if I'm honest.
So what's the end game? If not mass vaccination, then what?0 -
hatrickpatrick wrote: »When we have mass vaccination, just as our politicians spent most of last Autumn telling us?
Fair enough, but the question is, when does it, and what is the criteria? If not a vaccine, what?
Leo Varadkar.
Leo Varadkar FFS!
https://www.irishpost.com/news/varadkar-matches-concerts-and-festivals-could-return-by-the-summer-199483
"If things work out with the summer, [there’s] the possibility of returning to things like football matches, and maybe even concerts and festivals and gatherings too,” he said.
"The first quarter of the year is still difficult," as it is still winter and the vaccination is still being deployed, but "the second quarter of the year, life is starting to look a little bit more normal again."
Now again, my point is this. If there's a delay to the administration of the vaccine, then obviously social distancing is also extended. What's really f*cking with me and many others now is that they're saying on the one hand that we could still have mass vaccination by the end of September, and on the other hand that we'll still have to have social distancing next Christmas.
Ok, so fair enough - twelve weeks after mass vaccination isn't enough time. My question is, what is?
What is the criteria for doing away with social distancing?
If it's not mass vaccination, then what is it?
This shouldn't be as complicated a question as it seems to be for you to get your head around.
I'm not asking for an end date, I'm asking for criteria. The previous criteria was around 80% vaccination. Leo's latest remarks indicate that this is no longer the case. So what is?
This is where the "they want us to stay 2m away from strangers for the rest of our lives" pessimism is coming from. Because they're now saying that they'll want us to do that even after we're all vaccinated, but failing to provide any alternative yardstick or criteria for being able to stop doing it.
And for many people - extroverts, music lovers, single people who would like to date and, dare I say it, ride, people who enjoy or work in hospitality, young people who haven't made their post-school friends yet, etc etc etc - this is the burning question. Because as long as we have to stay 2m from strangers and we can't have parties, concerts, clubs, etc, there's pretty much no possibility of either making new friends or getting the ride.
Nobody is asking for a definitive end date. What we're asking for is an idea of the criteria for this. Previously, we were told that it was mass vaccination. Now, we're being told that it isn't.
So what is it?
What has to happen in order for people to be able to go to a concert, dance with a crowd of strangers and possibly leave with a date arranged because they met someone? What has to happen in order for freshers to go to a club with their new college class and make friends? What has to happen for people to be able to celebrate birthdays, weddings, graduations, etc with a crowd of their friends in their gaff or in a restaurant or nightclub, hugging ,shaking hands, etc etc etc?
Again, not asking for a date. Asking for criteria.
I don't know how much more simply I can put this. We were told that vaccines were the gatekeeper to re-acquiring these basic aspects of being a social species. Now, we're told that they aren't.
This leaves us in the terrifying limbo of not having a clue what actually has to happen in order for the government to announce that the next time you meet your friends, you can sit together on the same couch and have a few beers, or that the next time you match with somebody on Tinder, you can actually go out with them and maybe even kiss them at the end of the date. That when you start college, you can meet your class in a group. That when you turn 30, 40, 50, you can have your friends in your house or to a bar or restaurant, sit around a table, eat some food, and have some fun.
Finally, and I'm repeating this because you really don't seem to be getting it, nobody is asking for a date for these things. We're asking for criteria.
Leo said several weeks ago that we could have festivals and concerts back if everyone was vaccinated by September. Now, he's saying that even if everyone is vaccinated, we still have to socially distance for some indefinite period thereafter.
That is what's pissing people off. That is what, in my view, is an unacceptable limbo to leave people in. All we're asking for is clarity. And I'm absolutely not being hyperbolic in saying this, but in all honesty if anyone in charge expects us to live in social bubbles with no outside interaction for the rest of our lives, I suspect many people would rather they tell us now so we can fashion our own exits from this rapidly disintegrating world.
That isn't hyperbole. Without being able to meaningfully socialise, date, and live like humans, life genuinely doesn't feel like it's worth living. And most people can bear that as long as it's temporary, but this incredibly distressing and frankly terrifying commentary in recent days which suggests that social distancing will remain post-vaccination for some nightmarishly long, and yet completely undefined and unchecked period of time is pushing many people I know personally over the edge. Everyone was doing relatively ok until these comments were made but I've seen more meltdowns about the future from people I know in the last week than I have throughout most of 2020, if I'm honest.
So what's the end game? If not mass vaccination, then what?
Great Post and I think any sane person now just needs as you say the criteria.....and a clear end game.
Politicians and public health 'experts' don't seem to be able to say the one thing which we desperately need them to say and this in turn everyone (and that includes McConkey and the Zero Covid brigade) need to have a reality check and also understand this and accept it.....
It is as follows:
'Once we have vaccinated all people over 50 years old and the medically vulnerable who want the vaccine we will lift all restrictions entirely and while the numbers being hospitalised and dieing from Covid are going to be massively reduced this virus is now endemic and will continue to spread, exist and be transmitted in our population and this may change or alter season to season just like it does with other corona viruses and influenza viruses. People have to accept that this virus isn't going away but with a comprehensive uptake of vaccinations in vulnerable groups hospitalisation and deaths will be at a low and entirely manageable level. We cannot continue to impose any restrictions past this point due to the massive health and economic problems it is causing'
You can all argue the toss as to what that age should apply in that statement for the vaccine, it could be over 65's or over 50's or even over 18's. My own view is over 65's is fine based on CSO data and real risk but whatever it is it is.....
However if our politicians and public health 'experts' can't get their head around the rest of the statement and implement it soon we are in so much trouble and this nightmare they have created is not ending soon.
Anyone nor accepting is I believe living in a fantasy land.......where no one dies or gets sick and we all live forever.......0 -
There's a selfishness and even a vindictiveness from a cohort of the population who don't care about or want rid of masks and SD
It is a major restriction to many like the poster above
I don't think government will be able to retain control with severe restrictions this year and we'll be influenced by events elsewhere anyhow0 -
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Messaging coming out of the UK this morning is that despite vaccine rollout, we will be wearing masks and social distancing for a long time. Even when the population is vaccinated. Government won’t even say if grandparents will be ‘allowed’ to hug their grandchildren this year or into next.
Because of the variants
This is clearly the long term, and how clubs, pubs and gigs operate on this environment is anyone’s guess
I think that we are not being told something about vaccine efficacy (or lack thereof),0 -
[Deleted User] wrote: »Messaging coming out of the UK this morning is that despite vaccine rollout, we will be wearing masks and social distancing for a long time. Even when the population is vaccinated. Government won’t even say if grandparents will be ‘allowed’ to hug their grandchildren this year or into next.
Because of the variants
This is clearly the long term, and how clubs, pubs and gigs operate on this environment is anyone’s guess
I think that we are not being told something about vaccine efficacy (or lack thereof),
That's not new news
Mass Gatherings with no SD and Masks off the agenda too0 -
[Deleted User] wrote: »Messaging coming out of the UK this morning is that despite vaccine rollout, we will be wearing masks and social distancing for a long time. Even when the population is vaccinated. Government won’t even say if grandparents will be ‘allowed’ to hug their grandchildren this year or into next.
Because of the variants
This is clearly the long term, and how clubs, pubs and gigs operate on this environment is anyone’s guess
I think that we are not being told something about vaccine efficacy (or lack thereof),
Good luck to them with that. My family over there have already had it, kids, parents and grandparents - 13 people in total, the over 70s were in bed for a day or two. They have a lovely Sunday dinner together every week since then, with lots of hugging.0 -
Good luck to them with that. My family over there have already had it, kids, parents and grandparents - 13 people in total, the over 70s were in bed for a day or two. They have a lovely Sunday dinner together every week since then, with lots of hugging.
On an individual basis it’s fine. My family will ignore it too
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Deleted User wrote: »Messaging coming out of the UK this morning is that despite vaccine rollout, we will be wearing masks and social distancing for a long time. Even when the population is vaccinated. Government won’t even say if grandparents will be ‘allowed’ to hug their grandchildren this year or into next.
Because of the variants
This is clearly the long term, and how clubs, pubs and gigs operate on this environment is anyone’s guess
I think that we are not being told something about vaccine efficacy (or lack thereof),
Don't think there is any issue with the vaccines, just spineless politicians and public health 'experts' who don't have the guts to tell people that there is no magic and guaranteed fix here, we will massively reduce hospitalisation and deaths with vaccines but this virus is endemic now. Time to grow up people. With naturally acquired and vaccine acquired herd immunity this virus is just a flu like virus at worst.
It is like some insane zero tolerance health and safety nightmare where you can do nothing if there is any risk.......0 -
Good pointshatrickpatrick wrote: »When we have mass vaccination, just as our politicians spent most of last Autumn telling us?
Fair enough, but the question is, when does it, and what is the criteria? If not a vaccine, what?
Leo Varadkar.
Leo Varadkar FFS!
https://www.irishpost.com/news/varadkar-matches-concerts-and-festivals-could-return-by-the-summer-199483
"If things work out with the summer, [there’s] the possibility of returning to things like football matches, and maybe even concerts and festivals and gatherings too,” he said.
"The first quarter of the year is still difficult," as it is still winter and the vaccination is still being deployed, but "the second quarter of the year, life is starting to look a little bit more normal again."
Now again, my point is this. If there's a delay to the administration of the vaccine, then obviously social distancing is also extended. What's really f*cking with me and many others now is that they're saying on the one hand that we could still have mass vaccination by the end of September, and on the other hand that we'll still have to have social distancing next Christmas.
Ok, so fair enough - twelve weeks after mass vaccination isn't enough time. My question is, what is?
What is the criteria for doing away with social distancing?
If it's not mass vaccination, then what is it?
This shouldn't be as complicated a question as it seems to be for you to get your head around.
I'm not asking for an end date, I'm asking for criteria. The previous criteria was around 80% vaccination. Leo's latest remarks indicate that this is no longer the case. So what is?
This is where the "they want us to stay 2m away from strangers for the rest of our lives" pessimism is coming from. Because they're now saying that they'll want us to do that even after we're all vaccinated, but failing to provide any alternative yardstick or criteria for being able to stop doing it.
And for many people - extroverts, music lovers, single people who would like to date and, dare I say it, ride, people who enjoy or work in hospitality, young people who haven't made their post-school friends yet, etc etc etc - this is the burning question. Because as long as we have to stay 2m from strangers and we can't have parties, concerts, clubs, etc, there's pretty much no possibility of either making new friends or getting the ride.
Nobody is asking for a definitive end date. What we're asking for is an idea of the criteria for this. Previously, we were told that it was mass vaccination. Now, we're being told that it isn't.
So what is it?
What has to happen in order for people to be able to go to a concert, dance with a crowd of strangers and possibly leave with a date arranged because they met someone? What has to happen in order for freshers to go to a club with their new college class and make friends? What has to happen for people to be able to celebrate birthdays, weddings, graduations, etc with a crowd of their friends in their gaff or in a restaurant or nightclub, hugging ,shaking hands, etc etc etc?
Again, not asking for a date. Asking for criteria.
I don't know how much more simply I can put this. We were told that vaccines were the gatekeeper to re-acquiring these basic aspects of being a social species. Now, we're told that they aren't.
This leaves us in the terrifying limbo of not having a clue what actually has to happen in order for the government to announce that the next time you meet your friends, you can sit together on the same couch and have a few beers, or that the next time you match with somebody on Tinder, you can actually go out with them and maybe even kiss them at the end of the date. That when you start college, you can meet your class in a group. That when you turn 30, 40, 50, you can have your friends in your house or to a bar or restaurant, sit around a table, eat some food, and have some fun.
Finally, and I'm repeating this because you really don't seem to be getting it, nobody is asking for a date for these things. We're asking for criteria.
Leo said several weeks ago that we could have festivals and concerts back if everyone was vaccinated by September. Now, he's saying that even if everyone is vaccinated, we still have to socially distance for some indefinite period thereafter.
That is what's pissing people off. That is what, in my view, is an unacceptable limbo to leave people in. All we're asking for is clarity. And I'm absolutely not being hyperbolic in saying this, but in all honesty if anyone in charge expects us to live in social bubbles with no outside interaction for the rest of our lives, I suspect many people would rather they tell us now so we can fashion our own exits from this rapidly disintegrating world.
That isn't hyperbole. Without being able to meaningfully socialise, date, and live like humans, life genuinely doesn't feel like it's worth living. And most people can bear that as long as it's temporary, but this incredibly distressing and frankly terrifying commentary in recent days which suggests that social distancing will remain post-vaccination for some nightmarishly long, and yet completely undefined and unchecked period of time is pushing many people I know personally over the edge. Everyone was doing relatively ok until these comments were made but I've seen more meltdowns about the future from people I know in the last week than I have throughout most of 2020, if I'm honest.
So what's the end game? If not mass vaccination, then what?0 -
Mask wearing will become a thing in this country for quite a few years to come, just like you'd have seen it in some Asian countries before COVID.0
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Mask wearing will not become a thing in this country for quite a few years to come, just like you'd have seen it in some Asian countries before COVID.0
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Loads of people have been safely ignoring the restrictions for months. Even at level 5:
People are continuing to do non-essential work
People are getting haircuts and beauty treatments
People are breaking the 5km limit every day of the week
People are socialising with meals and drinks
I'm more taken aback by people who are blindly following all the restrictions at this stage. Apart from wearing masks in shops, and some businesses not having the balls to stand up for themselves yet, this whole thing is over as far as I'm concerned. It's not just young people that are ignoring the restrictions either, there are people in their 60s, 70s, and even 80s who aren't abiding by them.
If someone wants to shut themselves in their bunker, that's grand. Don't expect everyone else to do the same though.
You wouldn't know there was significant cohort ignoring all restrictions and getting on with their lives by the relentless moaning and whinging going on.0 -
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