When will it all end?

bucketybuck

If the vaccine works and is given to the vulnerable then deaths will fall, that is logical.

Then we can prepare ourselves for a year of the fearmongers bleating about Long Covid and zero covid and anything else they can use to extend the misery for as long as they can.

I guarantee that at some point we will have covid deaths at zero again but will still have the concerned citizens spreading fear and calling for restrictions. Hopefully in government there will be some adults in the room who can make some hard decisions regardless of the social media mob.

Wesekn.

bucketybuck wrote: »

If the vaccine works and is given to the vulnerable then deaths will fall, that is logical.

Then we can prepare ourselves for a year of the fearmongers bleating about Long Covid and zero covid and anything else they can use to extend the misery for as long as they can.

I guarantee that at some point we will have covid deaths at zero again but will still have the concerned citizens spreading fear and calling for restrictions. Hopefully in government there will be some adults in the room who can make some hard decisions regardless of the social media mob.

Economic reality will prevail

They'll probably keep the SD and the masks longer cos it's cheap, which will be annoying

MayoSalmon

Wanderer78 wrote: »

obesity is actually a complex psychological issue, do you feel the same about people that have other complex psychological issues and disorders?

Ah here stop eating too much ffs

Dempo1

bucketybuck wrote: »

If the vaccine works and is given to the vulnerable then deaths will fall, that is logical.

Then we can prepare ourselves for a year of the fearmongers bleating about Long Covid and zero covid and anything else they can use to extend the misery for as long as they can.

I guarantee that at some point we will have covid deaths at zero again but will still have the concerned citizens spreading fear and calling for restrictions. Hopefully in government there will be some adults in the room who can make some hard decisions regardless of the social media mob.

Logical yes but the question remains when will it end. Pat Kenny berating the COO of HSE at the moment, in particular the absurd bi weekly staff testing regime in nursing homes, described as useless.

Yes there's certainly a cohort of people on social media stirring hysteria, I'm certainly not one, indeed I don't use Twitter or the odi FB but it's very difgito argue the current facts and they are Grim. I may be unfair but something seriously
has gone wrong, I'm left with little doubt it was relaxing restrictions before Christmas and as for the new strain argument, it's a nonsense as to cause of new surge, yes its not helping now but it only appeared well into relaxing of restrictions, the rest is history. We've essentially gone backwards in 6th gear and yes we've all got to take some responsibility for this mess.

The HorsesMouth

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In some ways it doesn't really "end" OP.

The virus will never be eliminated in our lifetimes.

Some changes will be permanent like mask wearing in certain indoor environments, cultural changes in dining out, in my opinion "wet pubs" will never reopen, social distancing measures in shopping venues (although I see this being relaxed in 2022), distancing in work places, those plastic barriers separating customers from till operators etc etc etc...

Yearly vaccinations for everybody is a real possibility already flagged in the UK and other countries.

People won't notice the changes as much as they would have last year because they are now so use to it.

The world has changed in many ways from January 2020.

Although it is important to point out that many things haven't changed. When we can do away with tough restrictions the above are just irritants for most people but inconsequential overall.

How do you explain wet pubs opened in New Zealand, Australia, China then etc?

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

more ignorance than anything, and unwillingness to accept their own ignorance's

Wanderer78 wrote: »

obesity is actually a complex psychological issue, do you feel the same about people that have other complex psychological issues and disorders?

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Ah here stop eating too much ffs

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SteelyDanJalapeno

We'll be back to 90% normality in the summer once our vunerable are vaccinated.
Shur we had wet pubs open all summer this year and no vaccine, what gombeen thinks that we won't open them now that we have a vaccine

Keyzer

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In some ways it doesn't really "end" OP.

The virus will never be eliminated in our lifetimes.

Some changes will be permanent like mask wearing in certain indoor environments, cultural changes in dining out, in my opinion "wet pubs" will never reopen, social distancing measures in shopping venues (although I see this being relaxed in 2022), distancing in work places, those plastic barriers separating customers from till operators etc etc etc...

Yearly vaccinations for everybody is a real possibility already flagged in the UK and other countries.

People won't notice the changes as much as they would have last year because they are now so use to it.

The world has changed in many ways from January 2020.

Although it is important to point out that many things haven't changed. When we can do away with tough restrictions the above are just irritants for most people but inconsequential overall.

What a load of nonsense... Utter rubbish.

The vast majority of people will go back to normal when this is "over". If "over" means everyone vaccinated, then things will go back to normal at lightning pace.

I think there will be an initial slowness to get "back to normal" given the psychological footprint of social distancing and not going anywhere, that wont last long and the pubs will be packed for many weeks/months with people catching up with friends/family they haven't seen for ages.

That said, I would be more cautious in terms of timelines (and hopefully I'm completely wrong) but I wouldn't be surprised if we continue through this year and into early early 2022 before things start normalising.

Bear in mind, the Government are bound to fúck up the vaccine roll out in some way leading to delays etc.

poolboy

I think by mid summer we'll be back to normal except for a few small changes most won't even notice. I don't see pubs being allowed return to the old ways of drunk people wandering around chatting to everyone in the bar. It will still be assigned tables and more reserved but of course most pubs will ignore this as soon as they are opened. Social distancing will still be encouraged and will be natural to most people then. There is no need to return to our old ways of getting in each others faces for a conversation.
I think vaccines will be continuing with all over 60s and those considered essential workers done by May. A focus will then turn to a vaccine program for for all school/ college age kids eligible for a normal return to school in September.That's currently 16 i think but expect it to drop to 12 by then for secondary school kids. At that stage GPs and pharmacies will be taking bookings for anyone interested in a vaccine and the issue will be healthy adults feeling they don't need it. On that my son is 10 with cerebral palsy and severe respiratory issues, he will be too young for a vaccine and will rely on all those around him getting it to protect him. He's been at home for almost a year now as have his we except for me as an essential worker. Please remember that if you think you not taking a vaccine when offered won't make a difference.

ELM327

Wanderer78 wrote: »

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+1


Obesity, especially severe obesity, is often linked to other mental issues or trauma. Morbidly obese people who have a food dependancy will often have been abused as children, or in controlling relationships etc


It's not always as simple as "put down the fork fatty" as it is in my case!!

Dempo1

Donald Trump wrote: »

Things are normal now.




Just a new normal

Agreed and it seems some don't get the new norm, aside from the medical implications, a number of industries will take years to recover if ever. I predict the entire business model that is a restaurant is forever altered and may infact not be viable. Pubs too, whatever their type will see at a minimum 50% of their revenues lost for years, it's a harsh reality. Whilst somethings will return to notmality in 2022 unemployment is going to remain extremely high, I also think the high Street retail landscape is utterly changed and not just in the short term.

Wanderer78

ELM327 wrote: »

+1


Obesity, especially severe obesity, is often linked to other mental issues or trauma. Morbidly obese people who have a food dependancy will often have been abused as children, or in controlling relationships etc


It's not always as simple as "put down the fork fatty" as it is in my case!!

id class all forms of obesity as largely psychologically based

mcburns07

Dempo1 wrote: »

I also think the high Street retail landscape is utterly changed and not just in the short term.

In fairness this has been on the cards for years, Covid will just speed it up. Apart from jobs, big retail chains taking up units in town centres and cities is no loss, these should be full of sustainable small local retailers, cafes and restaurants, and people should be able to live affordably in city centres if they choose, not commuting hours in cars every day.

carq

There is no reason from a virus transmission point of view that wet pubs should remain closed even with no vaccine, if they have the same social distancing controls as gastro pubs.



Was this policed enough after lockdown 1 ?
Probably not.

Was the advice correct in terms of distancing?
Probably not, i dont think ventilation was considered during the summer.


I dont see a reason wet pubs should not open provided adaquate measures are taken and enforced.

ryanch09

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

We'll be back to 90% normality in the summer once our vunerable are vaccinated.
Shur we had wet pubs open all summer this year and no vaccine, what gombeen thinks that we won't open them now that we have a vaccine

*cries in Dublin*

racso1975

carq wrote: »

There is no reason from a virus transmission point of view that wet pubs should remain closed even with no vaccine, if they have the same social distancing controls as gastro pubs.



Was this policed enough after lockdown 1 ?
Probably not.

Was the advice correct in terms of distancing?
Probably not, i dont think ventilation was considered during the summer.


I don't see a reason wet pubs should not open provided adequate measures are taken and enforced.

There in lies the problem. You want the freedom of the pubs to be opened but at same time they should be policed. What about personal responsibility, what about the owner actually being responsible and not trying to make a quick buck.

For me it was never that alcohol should be stopped because it lowers immune system it was that peoples inability to think and act in a responsible way the more they consumed.

Micky 32

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

We'll be back to 90% normality in the summer once our vunerable are vaccinated.
Shur we had wet pubs open all summer this year and no vaccine, what gombeen thinks that we won't open them now that we have a vaccine

As another poster mentioned it was just basically a deluded wish list. Some people are not happy a big shiney syringe needle is getting closer to their misery bubble that’s about to burst it. They know their reign of misery is coming to an end.

Wanderer78

racso1975 wrote: »

There in lies the problem. You want the freedom of the pubs to be opened but at same time they should be policed. What about personal responsibility, what about the owner actually being responsible and not trying to make a quick buck.

For me it was never that alcohol should be stopped because it lowers immune system it was that peoples inability to think and act in a responsible way the more they consumed.

so you want humans to behave rationally and responsible in relation to a mind altering substance that is known to cause most humans to behave in the opposite manner!

Pcgamer

Summer 2022 is my prediction.

When everyone is vaccinated and hospital numbers remain extremely low when everything is back open fully.

carq

racso1975 wrote: »

There in lies the problem. You want the freedom of the pubs to be opened but at same time they should be policed. What about personal responsibility, what about the owner actually being responsible and not trying to make a quick buck.

For me it was never that alcohol should be stopped because it lowers immune system it was that peoples inability to think and act in a responsible way the more they consumed.

I think all pubs should be allowed to open providing they adhere to the rules. Same as opening hours checks, checks on watered down drinks, food health checks if they serve food , covid checks should be enforced and fines issued for breaches.

Some pubs for sure squeezed in more than they should in last lockdown, didnt enforce table service enough, masks while going to the bathroom. Once the above is addressed and adaquate time limit to prevent belligerence there would be no need to segregate a wet pub from a dry pub or a restaurant.

On a seperate note i think the govt should be promoting legal outdoor spaces for drinking / socialising. Its a lot better people having cans outdoors than underground house parties. Media need to play a part too, the mass hysteria on joe duffy was something to behold last summer when people were drinking outdoors in Galway, when it is a relatively low risk activity.

John O.Groats

Deleted User wrote: »

Complete nonsense.
Sounds more like a wish list than anything else.

Masks will come off or eventually people will just stop using them. Wet pubs will open and be busier than ever. Social distancing will be forgotten about.

Most of us will be delighted to get on with it again.
Some will clearly need some level of counselling to accept reality has returned.

It will be you and others in your delusional brigade who may well need counselling when that doesn`t happen . Going by your posting history you have been completely and utterly clueless about the virus situation up to now and I suppose you will continue to be so..

The HorsesMouth

Pcgamer wrote: »

Summer 2022 is my prediction.

When everyone is vaccinated and hospital numbers remain extremely low when everything is back open fully.

Ok...please explain if say 80% of people are vaccinated by autumn..why will we not open until summer 2022?? I'm so baffled to this line of thought.
Or do you just not think everyone will have access to a vaccine before next year? And if so why do you think this?

W123-80's

My huge fear is that the vaccines will not be as efficacious as had originally been hoped for.
I have no real concerns over their general safety just the their efficacy.

I think the next thing we might start to see dripped into the media will be stories relating to vaccines needing to be redeveloped in order to deal with different strains etc.
For this reason I think we are in this for at least another 2 years.

This is all obviously based in nothing scientific just my own pessimistic opinion!

I think schools might open after Easter. That's a best case scenario. I suspect they will most likely remain closed until summer holidays.

I think hotels and gastro pubs will probably open in June under strict restrictions.

I don't think wet pubs will open in 2021.

I think level 3/4 type restrictions for the remainder of 2021 once we get out of this lockdown

Micky 32

John O.Groats wrote: »

It will be you and others in your delusional brigade who may well need counselling when that doesn`t happen . Going by your posting history you have been completely and utterly clueless about the virus situation up to now and I suppose you will continue to be so..

Take it easy pal

Bit cynical

There are going to be restrictions during the vaccination rollout and I think also many arguments over whether it is the vaccine or the restrictions that are keeping numbers down. To add to that, the onset of summer will further complicate matters with people arguing that it is the warmer helping to reduce infections like it did last year.

Therefore what I think will happen is that the more adventurous countries will hold off reimposing restrictions next autumn and see what happens. If numbers don't rise then we'll know that the vaccines have had a good effect and countries like Ireland will start thinking about relaxing restrictions.

landofthetree

We will know by April what our future looks like.

Once Israel has completed its vaccination roll out.

I'm pretty sure it wont work. Too many flaws in the vaccine trials.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/amp/

begbysback

Will be over by end of year, if it is not sorted then people will get fatigued, masks will be abandoned and restrictions ignored, if this isn’t resolved by then we will have to accept that this is the way it is, and life as we knew it will have to return.

bucketybuck

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Ok...please explain if say 80% of people are vaccinated by autumn..why will we not open until summer 2022?? I'm so baffled to this line of thought.
Or do you just not think everyone will have access to a vaccine before next year? And if so why do you think this?

It is strange to see people saying 2022.

If the vulnerable have had the vaccine in the next few months then death rates will fall in turn.

If the death rate is still high enough to require restrictions into 2022 then there is only one conclusion, that the vulnerable are still dying and therefore that the vaccine isn't working.

Le Bruise

I think the virus will be with us forever, so that will never end. The vaccinations, however, should hopefully see us get back to a semblance of normality in the summer (my optimistic view) or Autumn (my pessimistic view).

Once the death rate drops off substantially with all the elderly/vulnerable/frontline vaccinated, we can't afford to keep up with restrictions. The PUP and TWSS will see us through the current lockdown, but I can't see them extending too much longer, as it's cripplingly expensive for the economy. I think they'll gradually start to taper it from April in line with a relaxation of restrictions. It won't be overnight, but it will happen....it has to!

Micky 32

landofthetree wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it wont work.

Lol, but sure who am i to question the boards experts, you must be correct. BTW if you’re going to post links maybe post more up to date links? Especially regarding vaccines. A lot has change since September regarding vaccines.