When will it all end?

Micky 32

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Mark honest to god I dont know anyone who is afraid of covid or who wants this nonsense to continue. I know well over 100 people including work colleagues.

www.gingerandlemon.ie poll has just shown that apart from few posters who seem quite covid concerned and are looking for 2021 lockdowns and 2022 lockdowns, majority of people want life to return to normality.

I mean all joking aside, are there really that many people out there that you know of who dont want to hug their parents, who dont want to travel abroad while they can (note while they can...) and who dont want to socialise? :eek:

I know, i had a good laugh at that statement. I deal with the public everyday and i travel around a lot due to the nature of my work. I’m getting a slightly different picture from the rubbish that some posters are posting in here.

Parachutes

“Vast majority support never ending lockdowns” Says increasingly nervous Civil Servant

Ginger n Lemon

Parachutes wrote: »

“Vast majority support never ending lockdowns” Says increasingly nervous Civil Servant

Thats very good :pac:

Yeah so we went into level 5 on like 26th of December? Schools closed (which is even more severe than level 5 isnt it?) and yet I see like 1000 + cases yesterday. yesterday was 13th of February.

Magical lockdowns. When they dont work they tell you "it takes 2 weeks for results to kick in". When they still dont work they ll tell you "public just doesnt follow restrictions" as they are vigorously suggesting to bring in MORE restrictions. :rolleyes:

Your post earlier was very much spot on, when these cowards bring in fines - they genuinely are losing control. amongst other things.

SheepsClothing

Why listen to scientifically compiled polling, when some lad on boards has 100 mates?

Parachutes

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Why listen to scientifically compiled polling, when some lad on boards has 100 mates?

Anecdotal yes, but my experience is much the same. I don’t know what circles you travel in but all my close friends and family are sick to their back teeth of these restrictions now. The appetite to open up has surely got to be massive.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

I deal with the public everyday and i travel around a lot due to the nature of my work. I’m getting a slightly different picture from the rubbish that some posters are posting in here.

A lot of people wanting continued lockdowns will change their tune when the state money tree begins to run dry.

Money always calls the shots, in the end.

markodaly

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The crowd does not seem respectable, legit or been in business for that long. I can open a company tomorrow and do polls, will you be linking result of my polls too?

In fact that "crowd" seems to be 1 guy. speechless stuff

It is not just one guy but believe what you want and create your own reality to boot.

Micky 32

Deleted User wrote: »

A lot of those people will change their tune when the state money tree begins to run dry.

Money always calls the shots, in the end.

Just to clarify i was talking about the rubbish being posted that the majority of the public want the lockdowns to keep going.

markodaly

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Why listen to scientifically compiled polling, when some lad on boards has 100 mates?

LOL

Sure why listen to public health experts when Anto and his mates from Finglas have it all figured out.

This is the level of debate we are having and some people don't even realise who is at the end of the punchline.

Personal anecdotes vs independent polls and pretty much all of science.
Yeap, ill take the 'I have a few mates, who think x' :pac::pac::pac:

markodaly

Micky 32 wrote: »

Just to clarify i was talking about the rubbish being posted that the majority of the public want the lockdowns to keep going.

I guess you don't believe the poll either.

Like it wasn't even close, it was an emphatic landslide. But sure, I am the arrogant one to not dismiss a poll without even knowing the raw data or even providing a counter poll.

Micky 32

markodaly wrote: »

I guess you don't believe the poll either.

Like it wasn't even close, it was an emphatic landslide. But sure, I am the arrogant one to not dismiss a poll without even knowing the raw data or even providing a counter poll.

Like i said i deal with the public, i’m getting a different picture than the poll, just saying what my real life experience is.

gozunda

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Current level of travel? its non existent. If this public health expert on 6 digit salary and guaranteed pension wants to shut down our borders then she should just say so and be laughed at. Anything else are just ramblings.

More than 10,000 Irish residents arrived back into the State from holidays or visits abroad in the past two and a half weeks. That figure does not include those travelling for essential reasons.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0212/1196765-high-risk-countries-list/

Its not the infectious disease experts who are rambling ...

SnuggyBear

20 cases per day lol

markodaly

Micky 32 wrote: »

Like i said i deal with the public, i’m getting a different picture than the poll, just saying what my real life experience is.

Personal anecdotes != Science.

Sorry, but it just isn't. This is flat earth level stuff here.

Parachutes

markodaly wrote: »

Personal anecdotes != Science.

Sorry, but it just isn't. This is flat earth level stuff here.

People want things to go back to normal = Flat Earth believers.

Nice one.

Micky 32

markodaly wrote: »

Personal anecdotes != Science.

Sorry, but it just isn't. This is flat earth level stuff here.

Lol now you are talking out of your back end . Your poll doesn’t reflect real life full stop.

Coybig_

markodaly wrote: »

LOL

Sure why listen to public health experts when Anto and his mates from Finglas have it all figured out.

This is the level of debate we are having and some people don't even realise who is at the end of the punchline.

Personal anecdotes vs independent polls and pretty much all of science.
Yeap, ill take the 'I have a few mates, who think x' :pac::pac::pac:

A poll which omits relevant facts about those who were polled is not worth anything. About as relevant as personal anecdotes.

"Pretty much all of science." Yeah that comment is worth so much more than the personal anecdotes you deride.

I wonder if children were exclusively polled on this pandemic, what they might think. The comments of the ISPCC chief executive and childrens ombudsman over the past few days seem to illustrate the mood of children in this country. Again, if we knew the age profile of those polled, we might be able to see if the poll is worth anything. Currently, we don't. So it's worth absolutely nothing.

ISPCC Chief Executive John Church to RTE yesterday:

We have seen a significant increase in anxiety levels amongst children.
"We are having children as young as 13 or 14 years of age ringing us with suicidal thoughts which has to be a direct impact on this pandemic

Childrens Ombudsman Niall Muldoon:

There’s parents contacting me constantly who are in a situation where their children are becoming suicidal, who are acting out in a way that is very dangerous because of the lockdown They have lost six months of their experience in school and the routine and habit and social life that used to keep them safe is gone.

My biggest problem is the regression of children across the board, the impact on their self confidence, their ability to trust the system and the adults that run that system. There could be a serious backlash in relation to that in the future.

The young people of this generation are going to have have a real serious look at how we have dealt with it as adults (...), and I think they are going to have a look at it and say we have failed.

"Sure why listen to public health experts" - Public health experts, who by the above statements from childrens health experts, have failed a significant amount of the population during this pandemic. Indeed, not as infallible as you are trying to make out.

Jog on you bluffer.

Lundstram

markodaly wrote: »

Personal anecdotes != Science.

Sorry, but it just isn't. This is flat earth level stuff here.

You're coming across more deluded and out of touch with reality than the flat earthers.

Ginger n Lemon

markodaly wrote: »

Personal anecdotes != Science.

Sorry, but it just isn't. This is flat earth level stuff here.

Didnt science tell us that masks are useless March > June 2020?

or was it Anto from Finglas?

Even now as there are 1,000 + new cases a day, you are still firm believer that lockdowns reduce transmission of disease? Really? what else have we gotta close to reduce that 1,000 > 20 a day? Maybe we should just start deporting people? The new tactic, less people = less cases. Science.

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Mark honest to god I dont know anyone who is afraid of covid or who wants this nonsense to continue. I know well over 100 people including work colleagues.

www.gingerandlemon.ie poll has just shown that apart from few posters who seem quite covid concerned and are looking for 2021 lockdowns and 2022 lockdowns, majority of people want life to return to normality.

I mean all joking aside, are there really that many people out there that you know of who dont want to hug their parents, who dont want to travel abroad while they can (note while they can...) and who dont want to socialise? :eek:

That in bold is still to be answered.

All I got was ...... "SCIENCE!"

Bigfatmichael

Ginger I get where you coming from and agree.

I think forced lockdowns should be introduced for over 65s with severe restrictions if breaches and those with underlying conditions until they are vacinated and can show proof of it.

Let the rest of us get on with our lives and stop this lockdown nonsense.

tommybrees

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Given that 3 weeks of semi-normality over Christmas caused our hospitals to breeze past capacity and a thousand people to die over January, I am 100% sure 1000's would die if we did what you are suggesting.

So I guess masks and social distancing don't work because every restaurant and hairdressers gym had all these measures in place.

900 people a day were waiting for a hospital bed before covid, what's happened to all these people?

HSE MANAGEMENT need to be held accountable now. Not the public or small businesses.

Anybody I no that has tested positive has done there part, isolated for 2 weeks, kept away from everybody and close contacts getting tested.
So tell me how is this virus spreading because I have seen plenty real life experience that it doesn't spread the way they are telling us.

Lockheed

tommybrees wrote: »

So I guess masks and social distancing don't work because every restaurant and hairdressers gym had all these measures in place.

900 people a day were waiting for a hospital bed before covid, what's happened to all these people?

HSE MANAGEMENT need to be held accountable now. Not the public or small businesses.

Anybody I no that has tested positive has done there part, isolated for 2 weeks, kept away from everybody and close contacts getting tested.
So tell me how is this virus spreading because I have seen plenty real life experience that it doesn't spread the way they are telling us.

Its because there are thousands of asymptomatic carriers who are infecting people without realising it. The data isn't there yet to say for sure but I think that it might be the case

tommybrees

markodaly wrote: »

LOL

Sure why listen to public health experts when Anto and his mates from Finglas have it all figured out.

This is the level of debate we are having and some people don't even realise who is at the end of the punchline.

Personal anecdotes vs independent polls and pretty much all of science.
Yeap, ill take the 'I have a few mates, who think x' :pac::pac::pac:

Public health experts who almost 1 year later think now is a good time to have a covid negative result coming into the country and now maybe you should isolate in a hotel? Wow ðŸ‘
It's like closing the gate when the fox is already in the chicken coup.
HSE executive's have a long established history of making a balls of everything they touch.

tommybrees

Lockheed wrote: »

Its because there are thousands of asymptomatic carriers who are infecting people without realising it. The data isn't there yet to say for sure but I think that it might be the case

So there's thousands of people carrying this deadly virus without even knowing it or having symptoms and then it suddenly decides to kill this person and not that person? Seriously like.
There's enough evidence to suggest now that this will only end when the people stand up and say enough is enough.
Because trust me, government isn't going to.

Ginger n Lemon

I was surfing through facebook today and saw an article saying schools will re open 1st of March.

Them news got a lot of angry faces on FB.

1 of the comments said "unbelievable they are reopening with cases through the roof"

1 of the posters here made it sound like we are selfish for wanting to travel abroad for holidays, have a pint, work in our work places. Isnt it a bit selfish to demand everything stays closed for a bit of "safety"?

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I was surfing through facebook today and saw an article saying schools will re open 1st of March.

Them news got a lot of angry faces on FB.

1 of the comments said "unbelievable they are reopening with cases through the roof"

1 of the posters here made it sound like we are selfish for wanting to travel abroad for holidays, have a pint, work in our work places. Isnt it a bit selfish to demand everything stays closed for a bit of "safety"?

I’d love to know what goes through these folks heads. With cases plateauing the way they are, school could be closed for a long, long time.
788 cases again today, clearly something is wrong with this beloved lockdown.

hynesie08

Deleted User wrote: »

I’d love to know what goes through these folks heads. With cases plateauing the way they are, school could be closed for a long, long time.
788 cases again today, clearly something is wrong with this beloved lockdown.

Yeah, down over 90% in 8 weeks, complete failure.....

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

I’d love to know what goes through these folks heads. With cases plateauing the way they are, school could be closed for a long, long time.
788 cases again today, clearly something is wrong with this beloved lockdown.

They have succumbed to hysteria...it is that simple.

You need to abandon reason to succumb to hysteria, what is frightening is how easily so many have...

You know they have abandoned reason when

They can't even consider this virus to be in any way similar to a flu.
They can't see the cost to the health service the lack of cancer/heart disease screening is DEFINITELY going to have down the road.
They think there is some kind of science behind severe lockdowns
They think the economy will just resume from where it left off last March

You cannot reason with a person who has succumb to hysteria!

Ginger n Lemon

Silentcorner wrote: »

They have succumbed to hysteria...it is that simple.

You need to abandon reason to succumb to hysteria, what is frightening is how easily so many have...

You know they have abandoned reason when

They can't even consider this virus to be in any way similar to a flu.
They can't see the cost to the health service the lack of cancer/heart disease screening is DEFINITELY going to have down the road.
They think there is some kind of science behind severe lockdowns
They think the economy will just resume from where it left off last March

You cannot reason with a person who has succumb to hysteria!

You are comparing covid to flu? HOW DARE YOU.

May I see your papers?



:pac: