When will it all end?

plodder

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

But surely social welfare has some sort of link to Revenue where its extremely easy to determine if individual has a part time job or a full time job.

If they had a full time job give them 350 euros per week.

if they had a part time job give them 200 - 250 euros per week.

No need to go into means testing or any of that... just common sense. Like people who worked 10 hours a week were getting 350 eurs PUP for 3 months. People who worked 40 hours a week were also getting 350 euros PUP. Lol

Revenue certainly has the data. Anyone on PUP who did (or is doing) a tax return for 2020 will see the PUP payments already there on their account.

Gestureapo

It's not just the drug and alcohol crisis in play now

Lockdown has people switching to takeaway food in droves, have you seen the weight of people out there

El_Duderino 09

Gestureapo wrote: »

Would y need means testing, wouldn't payslips do

The extra money has been a disaster for many in terms of idleness and drug/alcohol misuse

Think of the time taken to recruit new staff, create a new system and train the staff. These things can't be created in a few weeks. The options were to give the money out quickly and accept the fraud and error, or wait months to set up a more reliable system.

People needed the money. They probably did the right thing.

Gestureapo

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Think of the time taken to recruit new staff, create a new system and train the staff. These things can't be created in a few weeks. The options were to give the money out quickly and accept the fraud and error, or wait months to set up a more reliable system.

People needed the money. They probably did the right thing.

Is payslips that complicated to check?

Ginger n Lemon

Gestureapo wrote: »

It's not just the drug and alcohol crisis in play now

Lockdown has people switching to takeaway food in droves, have you seen the weight of people out there

I can attest to this.

Put on 10 kg since March 2020. Dominos, lack of movement main drivers.

And ofcourse cheap alcohol.

If only I could setup a tent in my back garden and learn a new language... all my troubles would go away :pac:

Dickie10

off licences need to be shut asap, before Easter especially. madness having pubs shut and still people can fuel up on durt cheap alcohol. need to ban sale of drink outright to stop house parties

Gestureapo

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I can attest to this.

Put on 10 kg since March 2020. Dominos, lack of movement main drivers.

And ofcourse cheap alcohol.

If only I could setup a tent in my back garden and learn a new language... all my troubles would go away :pac:

Takeaways is literally the only show in town some places

People are using them as a social outlet, bringing kids to drive thrus because they've nothing else to do

Not sure are all posters here up to speed on what's going on with young people on PUP?

It's a disaster with drink and drugs

Gestureapo

Dickie10 wrote: »

off licences need to be shut asap, before Easter especially. madness having pubs shut and still people can fuel up on durt cheap alcohol. need to ban sale of drink outright to stop house parties

I'm sure you mean well but you haven't thought this through

Mimon

Dickie10 wrote: »

off licences need to be shut asap, before Easter especially. madness having pubs shut and still people can fuel up on durt cheap alcohol. need to ban sale of drink outright to stop house parties

Minority of people don't play ball and you want the rest of us to suffer.

I actually take offence at this suggestion as I have to work during a pandemic and you want to deny me my bottle of wine on a Friday evening.

Irish_peppa

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

But surely social welfare has some sort of link to Revenue where its extremely easy to determine if individual has a part time job or a full time job.

I would be shocked if they didnt ! I was in an intreo meeting while on social welfare and the lady was able to tell me the names of all the tenants I had ever had going back years. Those people were not on welfare so I assume they have some way of getting peoples PPS numbers from revenue. If they dont im sure they have revenue on speed dial like any normal company and can do quick checks on individuals and request more detailed information if need be

Mimon

Gestureapo wrote: »

I'm sure you mean well but you haven't thought this through

Curtailing peoples rights for no reason isn't meaning well, it's fascism.

SoapMcTavish

Dickie10 wrote: »

off licences need to be shut asap, before Easter especially. madness having pubs shut and still people can fuel up on durt cheap alcohol. need to ban sale of drink outright to stop house parties

Is this genuine ?

Herb Powell

Multipass wrote: »

And if they had a full time job which went just before covid let them eat cake on 203 euros. Even unemployment only matters now if it’s covid related. 350 a week would be an amazing way to live from where I am, a bloody fortune.

It's not a fortune in Ireland in 2021.

I'm all open to real criticism (debt it will cause, etc), but come on.

josip

Mimon wrote: »

Minority of people don't play ball and you want the rest of us to suffer.

I actually take offence at this suggestion as I have to work during a pandemic and you want to deny me my bottle of wine on a Friday evening.

There would be some in NPHET who would privately support such a move I think.

Multipass

Herb Powell wrote: »

It's not a fortune in Ireland in 2021.

I'm all open to real criticism (debt it will cause, etc), but come on.

When you live on 203 in Ireland in 2021 because of a time interval of 2 months before covid, damn right it’s a fortune. The prevailing view seems to that Covid unemployment is more worthy, anyone before this time carries shame and deserves poverty, despite the fact that covid has made finding work next to impossible.

Gestureapo

josip wrote: »

There would be some in NPHET who would privately support such a move I think.

If NPHET was in charge of road safety

They'd change the speed limit to 20mph overnite and wipe out road traffic deaths

El_Duderino 09

Gestureapo wrote: »

Is payslips that complicated to check?

Payslips might not be complicated but setting up a system around gathering them and examining them would be time consuming. And given that the priority was to get teh money out quickly, it would have ben counter productive.

Tazz T

Dickie10 wrote: »

off licences need to be shut asap, before Easter especially. madness having pubs shut and still people can fuel up on durt cheap alcohol. need to ban sale of drink outright to stop house parties

Absolute nonsense.

Let me guess, you're anti-alcohol.

El_Duderino 09

opinionated3 wrote: »

Maybe the insinuation that 2021 is doing to be pretty much a write off for any holidays, socialising etc.....

Ah right. I suppose that was only new news to people who were either not paying attention up to now or were screening out information they didn't want to hear. I've seen in this thread that some people misinterpret the news and are the disappointed that their preferred version doesn't happen.

I look forward to hanging out with the lads when the weather warms up, so i don't consider the social side to be a write off. Maybe its a matter of how optimistic or pessimistic you are combined with how realistic you are about what's likely to happen.

The vaccine news this week has been very positive. The provisional news about transmissions by vaccinated people was great. The news about starting trials on some under 18s was great and the increased vaccine supply is great.

Thespoofer

Guys it's like a roller coaster at this stage the whole lot is blending into one big cloud at this stage.

I'm at the stage now and would like the opinions on what would be the worst case scenario in regards opening up ( any virologists reading this thread ? )

For example if we said there is absolutely no way possible, we can have any major restrictions ( I dont mind the small stuff, masks in shops etc ) after say October, November, December 2021 or even further out?

Just a bit of hope, dont care how far out it is, just something defenite.

Or maybe no one can tell for sure.

Samsonsmasher

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah right. I suppose that was only new news to people who were either not paying attention up to now or were screening out information they didn't want to hear. I've seen in this thread that some people misinterpret the news and are the disappointed that their preferred version doesn't happen.

I look forward to hanging out with the lads when the weather warms up, so i don't consider the social side to be a write off. Maybe its a matter of how optimistic or pessimistic you are combined with how realistic you are about what's likely to happen.

The vaccine news this week has been very positive. The provisional news about transmissions by vaccinated people was great. The news about starting trials on some under 18s was great and the increased vaccine supply is great.

On the first day of the rollout for 85s and older on Monday only 66 were vaccinated by GPs.

66

Let that sink in.

Tell me this isn't utter lunacy?

Thespoofer

Dickie10 wrote: »

off licences need to be shut asap, before Easter especially. madness having pubs shut and still people can fuel up on durt cheap alcohol. need to ban sale of drink outright to stop house parties

Snow, a lidl shop and a JCB springs to mind when I read this

hynesie08

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

On the first day of the rollout for 85s and older on Monday only 66 were vaccinated by GPs.

66

Let that sink in.

Tell me this isn't utter lunacy?

On the same day 1500 people got their first dose and 6500 got their second dose........

El_Duderino 09

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

On the first day of the rollout for 85s and older on Monday only 66 were vaccinated by GPs.

66

Let that sink in.

Tell me this isn't utter lunacy?

I'm not sure what you want me to do with that information. It's not a lot to go on. What were the limiting factors? lack of vaccine, lack of over 85 in gp's surgeries?

I'm not sure why you quoted me that post to make your point. It didn't address anything i said in my post.

It's funny that a couple of weeks ago you were called a doom and gloom monger for pointing out the reality that this thing will not end during the summer. Now any bit of good news is seen as bad news because it won't lead to the end of restrictions during the summer. I think it's clear who the doom and gloom people are at the moment.

Micky 32

Tazz T wrote: »

Absolute nonsense.

Let me guess, you're anti-alcohol.

I’d hazard a guess that you won’t be bumping into Dickie in Centra buying a bottle of wine. :pac:

Irish_peppa

We need to order a few of these Vaccine booths of the chinese

https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1006412/robot-inoculators-accelerate-chinas-vaccine-rollout

Tazz T

Thespoofer wrote: »

Guys it's like a roller coaster at this stage the whole lot is blending into one big cloud at this stage.

I'm at the stage now and would like the opinions on what would be the worst case scenario in regards opening up ( any virologists reading this thread ? )

For example if we said there is absolutely no way possible, we can have any major restrictions ( I dont mind the small stuff, masks in shops etc ) after say October, November, December 2021 or even further out?

Just a bit of hope, dont care how far out it is, just something defenite.

Or maybe no one can tell for sure.

I don't think any virologist can help you (although I did immunology at uni ), because no one can predict what the gov will do. We could be in double digits and still have no pubs and be fined for travelling while the rest of Europe is open this summer.

Based on historical epidemiology (a lot of people don't realise that there has been quite a few coronavirus pandemics through history), back in November I reckoned we could reasonably expect this to end in June of this year, but a number of factors meant the 3rd wave started a month early than anticipated. This potentially could be all over in May now.

There may be a blip between now and autumn, as restrictions ease, followed by a blip at Xmas as those first vaxxed (the elderly) require boosters (I suspect this will happen every year and will probably be given at the same time as the annual flu jab, maybe incorporated with it). But there is no historical precedent for a new wave and the vaccine would negate that anyway. Variants are an issue, but when infections are low, variants will be much slower to occur and easier to deal with.

The problem is, while I'm sure NYPHET have the data and the expertise that tells them this may very well be the case, they will play it very safe as will the government. So if it is coming to an end, they'll say it's the restrictions working and continue with the restrictions that are more severe than actually needed. They can't be seen to get it wrong.

Tazz T

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’d hazard a guess that you won’t be bumping into Dickie in Centra buying a bottle of wine. :pac:

I hope he's not in my AA group either.

Bigfatmichael

Dickie10 wrote: »

off licences need to be shut asap, before Easter especially. madness having pubs shut and still people can fuel up on durt cheap alcohol. need to ban sale of drink outright to stop house parties

Suicides would Jump the roof, hospitals would be 10 times more overwhelmed than their peak with Covid with people detoxing, illegal drug use would spiral.

You don't really live in the real world

El_Duderino 09

I know the UK is having problems with ethnic minorities being much less inclined ot get the vaccine than the white population. Has any similar research been done into Irish people's sentiments towards the vaccine?