WWE Hall Of Fame 2021

LineOfBeauty

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

The same ones that consider Molly Holly a workhorse I'd say.

Except you can literally go to Ring of Honor's OTT service and watch his matches and then you can find a Molly Holly match of comparable quality (spoilers, you wont).

Dude I'm not clicking on a Squared Circle Link that brings me to a WWE's The Bump video, I can't imagine a worse place on the internet.

That criteria is silly. And it's why the WWE HOF means nothing. Because everyone gets in! BTW the joke here is that Jamie Noble is a lock to go into the WWE HOF. In sports HOF's, you know, HOF's with criteria, if you don't fulfil the criteria you don't go in!

Even by their own silly HOF standards, Holly is a weak choice. Even with the lowest of low bars, nobody can justify her selection other than "she's nice and people like her"

Nobody can name me 3 memorable Holly matches
Nobody can give me an example of her drawing record
Nobody can give me any examples of even a weekly show she main evented. Like that's how low a bar I've set and she still doesn't pass it
People keep telling me about "paving the way" or "workhorse" or whatever else but I've gone through the roster from that time and she's in the bottom half of workers I'd imagine for most people and was one of the least pushed acts in the division.

In closing, Carmella should be going into the HOF this year, not Molly Holly.

There is no video in my link.

I asked you two questions, both of which was to provide evidence about your "facts", and you did neither. Likely because you are wrong in both cases because such evidence does not exist.

Inductees into ceremonies such as this are typically decided in one of two ways. Either by the audience, i.e. WWE fans in this case, or by experts, e.g. past wrestlers or inductees. Unless you can provide evidence that suggests that even one of these two groups believes that Molly does not deserve her spot, then she deserves to go into the HoF.

LineOfBeauty

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no video in my link.

I asked you two questions, both of which was to provide evidence about your "facts", and you did neither. Likely because you are wrong in both cases because such evidence does not exist.

Inductees into ceremonies such as this are typically decided in one of two ways. Either by the audience, i.e. WWE fans in this case, or by experts, e.g. past wrestlers or inductees. Unless you can provide evidence that suggests that even one of these two groups believes that Molly does not deserve her spot, then she deserves to go into the HoF.

Dude who starts an argument with "prove that SHOULDN'T be the case"? I think each person should be obliged by law to walk around with a parrot on each shoulder when they walk around in public. Prove to me why that SHOULDN'T be the case. By the way, that last criteria with experts and ex wrestlers, we've already got that HOF in wrestling dude. And you're lower mid card acts from WWE 20 years ago don't sniff it.

And guy I've asked the same stupid questions the entire way through the thread and we're 4 pages in and nobody can recommend me a single Holly match worth watching (not 1, let alone 3) or give me just 1 example of her drawing. Like I've set the bar an inch off the ground for you guys. I'm not even being horrible.

Because, if I was being horrible, I'd say none of that dopey roster belongs anywhere near a proper HOF, not Stratus, not Lita, not Victoria, not Ivory. None of these dumb mid card acts with barely a notable performance between them and not a draw among them deserve to sniff a proper HOF with proper pro wrestlers in it. Proper female wrestlers who are every bit as good as the men in it, proper female wrestlers who drew thousands and thousands of fans on their own, proper female wrestlers whose influence is still felt to this day in pro wrestling because of their wrestling. And, if I was being really horrible, I'd tell you the horrible truth, which is that the only female wrestler from WWE in the last 20 years who even deserves consideration for a proper HOF is Ronda Rousey.

But I'm not going to be horrible, I'm trying to be nice.

LineOfBeauty

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Dude who starts an argument with "prove that SHOULDN'T be the case"? I think each person should be obliged by law to walk around with a parrot on each shoulder when they walk around in public. Prove to me why that SHOULDN'T be the case.

I asked you to show evidence that Jamie Noble was considered one of the best technical wrestlers of his era. That does not fall into that category, and yet you still ignored that request.

As for my second request, if a movie is nominated for a Best Picture Oscar but many people believe it shouldn't be, you can easily find many articles, discussions etc. of people complaining that that movie got that nomination. Likewise, if someone does not deserve a HOF spot, you should easily be able to find similar sources. You can't do that because she does deserve her spot, and wrestlers and wrestling fans alike agree.

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

By the way, that last criteria with experts and ex wrestlers, we've already got that HOF in wrestling dude. And you're lower mid card acts from WWE 20 years ago don't sniff it.

If you are referring to the WON HoF, that is a terrible comparison. The WON HoF regularly inducts active wrestlers and therefore has a much larger pool to choose from. You are not comparing like with like.

LineOfBeauty

Deleted User wrote: »

I asked you to show evidence that Jamie Noble was considered one of the best technical wrestlers of his era. That does not fall into that category, and yet you still ignored that request.

As for my second request, if a movie is nominated for a Best Picture Oscar but many people believe it shouldn't be, you can easily find many articles, discussions etc. of people complaining that that movie got that nomination. Likewise, if someone does not deserve a HOF spot, you should easily be able to find similar sources. You can't do that because she does deserve her spot, and wrestlers and wrestling fans alike agree.



If you are referring to the WON HoF, that is a terrible comparison. The WON HoF regularly inducts active wrestlers and therefore has a much larger pool to choose from. You are not comparing like with like.

You mean aside from the fact that WWE currently employ him to work with wrestlers on constructing their matches? If that's not proof enough, you can literally go and watch his matches in ROH (Honor club) or WWE (WWE Network). If you want to search for referrals you can Google but why look for the lip service when the proof is in the pudding. He was the ROH World Champion at a time when being ROH World Champion was very special and the title was incredibly protected. He's the guy who lost the belt to Danielson to kick off Dragon's legendary ROH World Title reign.

lol dude I don't know what Facebook groups you lurk but God if Holly is considered an acceptable pick for a HOF you need to find new groups. End of the day, who cares, it's the WWE HOF where literal jobbers are grand choices. But man saying "they should be in the HOF because my Facebook group says so" is bad mate.

And the last point is really odd. Are you saying all WWE inductees are active wrestlers? Was Bruno Sammartino seriously still lacing up the boots in 2013? I must've missed that.

At this point I just feel bad.

JP Liz V1

Did Molly train some of the current or past crop as a lot mention her as inspirational etc.,

LineOfBeauty

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

You mean aside from the fact that WWE currently employ him to work with wrestlers on constructing their matches? If that's not proof enough, you can literally go and watch his matches in ROH (Honor club) or WWE (WWE Network). If you want to search for referrals you can Google but why look for the lip service when the proof is in the pudding. He was the ROH World Champion at a time when being ROH World Champion was very special and the title was incredibly protected. He's the guy who lost the belt to Danielson to kick off Dragon's legendary ROH World Title reign.

None of that answers my question. You said he is considered to be one of the best technical wrestlers of his era. I asked you who said this? Because if it's just you then no, that does not make him one of most technical wrestlers of his era. That just makes it your opinion. And, unless you provide some sources, it is not an opinion shared by many.

Also, the fact that you are suggesting that him being employed to work with WWE wrestlers indicates that he was one of the best technical wrestlers of his era is absolutely ludicrous and delusional. Have a look at other wrestlers who were also hired for similar positions, and tell me if they are all considered good technical wrestlers let alone one of the best of their generation.

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

lol dude I don't know what Facebook groups you lurk but God if Holly is considered an acceptable pick for a HOF you need to find new groups. End of the day, who cares, it's the WWE HOF where literal jobbers are grand choices. But man saying "they should be in the HOF because my Facebook group says so" is bad mate.

I am not on Facebook. And you care, which is why you are replying. The fact that the only thing you can do is make up stuff about me demonstrates that you have absolutely no valid argument.

Pick out any wrestling discussion forum and see what the overwhelming opinion is. You might find out that your opinion is in the severe minority.

You have been asked 5 or 6 times now to provide sources to either of your claims. Instead of doing so, you have deflected with waffle. Because no such sources exist. Because you are wrong.

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

And the last point is really odd. Are you saying all WWE inductees are active wrestlers? Was Bruno Sammartino seriously still lacing up the boots in 2013? I must've missed that.

At this point I just feel bad.

Wow, you suffer from so much bias that you read the complete opposite of what I said. Impressive.

There are many active wrestlers in the WON HoF (Daniel Bryan, Lesnar, Omega etc.). The WWE HoF only tends to only induct retired wrestlers. Therefore, there is a smaller pool of people who are likely to go into the WWE HoF, and that is without also considering the fact that the WWE HoF is more likely to induct wrestlers who worked for them at some point for obvious reasons.

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

At this point I just feel bad.

You certainly should. You should probably slow down and read the questions that you are asked properly less you want to embarrass yourself some more. While you're at it, provide sources for your "facts". Otherwise, they are just opinions.

LineOfBeauty

Deleted User wrote: »

None of that answers my question. You said he is considered to be one of the best technical wrestlers of his era. I asked you who said this? Because if it's just you then no, that does not make him one of most technical wrestlers of his era. That just makes it your opinion. And, unless you provide some sources, it is not an opinion shared by many.

Also, the fact that you are suggesting that him being employed to work with WWE wrestlers indicates that he was one of the best technical wrestlers of his era is absolutely ludicrous and delusional. Have a look at other wrestlers who were also hired for similar positions, and tell me if they are all considered good technical wrestlers let alone one of the best of their generation.



I am not on Facebook. And you care, which is why you are replying. The fact that the only thing you can do is make up stuff about me demonstrates that you have absolutely no valid argument.

Pick out any wrestling discussion forum and see what the overwhelming opinion is. You might find out that your opinion is in the severe minority.

You have been asked 5 or 6 times now to provide sources to either of your claims. Instead of doing so, you have deflected with waffle. Because no such sources exist. Because you are wrong.



Wow, you suffer from so much bias that you read the complete opposite of what I said. Impressive.

There are many active wrestlers in the WON HoF (Daniel Bryan, Lesnar, Omega etc.). The WWE HoF only tends to only induct retired wrestlers. Therefore, there is a smaller pool of people who are likely to go into the WWE HoF, and that is without also considering the fact that the WWE HoF is more likely to induct wrestlers who worked for them at some point for obvious reasons.



You certainly should. You should probably slow down and read the questions that you are asked properly less you want to embarrass yourself some more. While you're at it, provide sources for your "facts". Otherwise, they are just opinions.

OK, so actually watching his matches doesn't count. And his current job in WWE doesn't count towards that either. Honourable mentions list for Most Outstanding Wrestler 2005 in the WON Awards probably doesn't count either. So you're the expert on proving stuff, so here's an easy one, can you give me an example of what proof is there that say, Mick Foley is a great brawler?

You know what a road agent does, right? I mean, you get why they're in that role and why they choose who they choose ye?

Dude I don't care that she's going into the WWE HOF. Everyone is in the WWE HOF! Literally the only thing you have to do is have a run on TV for a few years, don't cross Vince and eventually you get into the WWE HOF. Now, the WON HOF, there's a HOF with criteria. So I'll throw you a question because now I'm curious, who from the WWE HOF do you think would get into the WON HOF using the WON criteria? Just curious.

Ye but those other forums that you've seen are really dumb. If you want I can point you in the right direction dude, it's one of the things I do for people.

I mean that "retired" rule is hardly set in stone but whatever, and the vast majority of WON inductees are retired or semi retired wrestlers or wrestling personalities upon induction. Infact, just looking at the two to me the difference doesn't look all that huge at all. But even if you take active workers out of the equation (which, btw there is actually criteria a wrestler has to meet before even getting on the ballot), and taking into account that WWE will only want wrestlers that have worked for them in the past, Molly Holly is still scraping the bottom of the barrel.

LineOfBeauty

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

OK, so actually watching his matches doesn't count. And his current job in WWE doesn't count towards that either. Honourable mentions list for Most Outstanding Wrestler 2005 in the WON Awards probably doesn't count either. So you're the expert on proving stuff, so here's an easy one, can you give me an example of what proof is there that say, Mick Foley is a great brawler?

You know what a road agent does, right? I mean, you get why they're in that role and why they choose who they choose ye?

OK, so I'm starting to think that it's the English language that's confusing you. Let me break it down even further for you with another example.

Let's say I said "Maradona is considered to be one of the greatest football players of all time". Now, what does that mean?

For start, does that sentence tell you whether I personally think that or not? No. Do you even know whether I think he is a good footballer or not from that sentence? No.

So what does that statement mean then? It means that the majority of football critics, the majority of football fans or both believe he is one of the greatest football players of all time.

Now, did I mention anywhere there what his accomplishments were? No. Did I say whether he went on to to be a football manger or not? No. Because it's completely irrelevant to the statement.

Now, apply that same logic to your statement of "Jamie Noble is considered to be one of the greatest technical wrestlers of his era" and hopefully you can see, all by yourself, that you're not make the slightest bit of sense.

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Dude I don't care that she's going into the WWE HOF. Everyone is in the WWE HOF! Literally the only thing you have to do is have a run on TV for a few years, don't cross Vince and eventually you get into the WWE HOF.

Yes of course. That's why everyone who has ever done that is currently in the HoF, and people who have crossed Vince like Bret and Savage are not in the HoF. A very good, but ridiculously inaccurate, generalisation.

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

So I'll throw you a question because now I'm curious, who from the WWE HOF do you think would get into the WON HOF using the WON criteria? Just curious.

Ha, you actually have the nerve to ask me questions where you've completely ignored my questions about backing up your "facts" with something known as "evidence". I will gladly answer any of your questions once you have stopped avoiding answering mine.

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

DYe but those other forums that you've seen are really dumb. If you want I can point you in the right direction dude, it's one of the things I do for people.

Oh so you do have links to "real" forums that contain threads where the majority of people think her induction is not deserved. Amazing! Well, ignore everything in this post and point me to such threads then!

No such threads exist because you are talking complete nonsense again.

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I mean that "retired" rule is hardly set in stone but whatever

aka "Good point and you're completely right but I don't want to admit it."

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Infact, just looking at the two to me the difference doesn't look all that huge at all. But even if you take active workers out of the equation (which, btw there is actually criteria a wrestler has to meet before even getting on the ballot), and taking into account that WWE will only want wrestlers that have worked for them in the past, Molly Holly is still scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Oh great, you've done the math too! So list the people in the WON HoF who were retired when inducted, have a large affiliation with WWE, but who are not in the WWE HoF? It must be quite a large list if you're so upset by so many of them not being included in the WWE HoF!

LineOfBeauty

Deleted User wrote: »

OK, so I'm starting to think that it's the English language that's confusing you. Let me break it down even further for you with another example.

Let's say I said "Maradona is considered to be one of the greatest football players of all time". Now, what does that mean?

For start, does that sentence tell you whether I personally think that or not? No. Do you even know whether I think he is a good footballer or not from that sentence? No.

So what does that statement mean then? It means that the majority of football critics, the majority of football fans or both believe he is one of the greatest football players of all time.

Now, did I mention anywhere there what his accomplishments were? No. Did I say whether he went on to to be a football manger or not? No. Because it's completely irrelevant to the statement.

Now, apply that same logic to your statement of "Jamie Noble is considered to be one of the greatest technical wrestlers of his era" and hopefully you can see, all by yourself, that you're not make the slightest bit of sense.



Yes of course. That's why everyone who has ever done that is currently in the HoF, and people who have crossed Vince like Bret and Savage are not in the HoF. A very good, but ridiculously inaccurate, generalisation.



Ha, you actually have the nerve to ask me questions where you've completely ignored my questions about backing up your "facts" with something known as "evidence". I will gladly answer any of your questions once you have stopped avoiding answering mine.



Oh so you do have links to "real" forums that contain threads where the majority of people think her induction is not deserved. Amazing! Well, ignore everything in this post and point me to such threads then!

No such threads exist because you are talking complete nonsense again.

aka "Good point and you're completely right but I don't want to admit it."



Oh great, you've done the math too! So list the people in the WON HoF who were retired when inducted, have a large affiliation with WWE, but who are not in the WWE HoF? It must be quite a large list if you're so upset by so many of them not being included in the WWE HoF!

Swear this must be a prank.
He got 104 votes for "Most Outstanding Wrestler" in 2005! You know, those awards fans, critics and wrestlers vote in? He was ROH World Champion. Let's do a quick recap of who the ROH World Champions were at that time. Samoa Joe, Austin Aries, CM Punk, James Gibson (Noble), Bryan Danielson, Homicide, Takeshi Morishima, and Nigel McGuinness are all 2 years either side of his run. I mean, do you see what I'm getting at here with those wrestlers?

Actually, have you seen any of Jamie Noble's work outside of WWE?

But look, I get it, when the WWE HOF is all you know then of course the Molly Holly induction doesn't seem out of the ordinary. It totally follows the trend of past inductees, I understand. If you're not coming at it from a sports POV, or with the criteria applied by the WON HOF then sure, why not have Molly Holly? But, for people who do know about that stuff, having a lower mid card act in your HOF comes across as dumb. You seem to like football, so I'll try that. For a lot of people, like me, the HOF should be reserved for footballers like Messi, Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, maybe even players like Zidane, Xavi, Platini. But, if you inducted players like Lee Cattermole into the same HOF as those other players I just mentioned, that HOF wouldn't mean very much at all would it? Because if Cattermole can get in, any footballer whose played in a top division could get in, couldn't they? And a HOF is supposed to actual be an exclusivity thing isn't it? If you let everyone in, it defeats the purpose of it right?

Also dude we're debating the WWE HOF, nobody is "right" other than what Vince McMahon says is right. My point is she's one of the weaker entrants to ever be put into it. If you're out here trying to tell me that Molly Holly belongs in a HOF with actual criteria, then you can't win an argument. As long as you're arguing in that direction, I could be in a coma and I'd still be "right"

LineOfBeauty

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Swear this must be a prank.
He got 104 votes for "Most Outstanding Wrestler" in 2005! You know, those awards fans, critics and wrestlers vote in? He was ROH World Champion. Let's do a quick recap of who the ROH World Champions were at that time. Samoa Joe, Austin Aries, CM Punk, James Gibson (Noble), Bryan Danielson, Homicide, Takeshi Morishima, and Nigel McGuinness are all 2 years either side of his run. I mean, do you see what I'm getting at here with those wrestlers?

Actually, have you seen any of Jamie Noble's work outside of WWE?

Wow, so I actually ELI5'd why you're not making the slightest bit of sense, and it went in one ear and out the other and you instead replied by repeating the exact same thing again. Simply stunning.

And holy ****, you just listed the holders of a title as if that proves whether they are good technical wrestlers or not. That is beautiful. And you seem to have conveniently left out one or two names there. Is it possibly because your point makes no sense?

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

But look, I get it, when the WWE HOF is all you know then of course the Molly Holly induction doesn't seem out of the ordinary. It totally follows the trend of past inductees, I understand. If you're not coming at it from a sports POV, or with the criteria applied by the WON HOF then sure, why not have Molly Holly? But, for people who do know about that stuff, having a lower mid card act in your HOF comes across as dumb. You seem to like football, so I'll try that. For a lot of people, like me, the HOF should be reserved for footballers like Messi, Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, maybe even players like Zidane, Xavi, Platini. But, if you inducted players like Lee Cattermole into the same HOF as those other players I just mentioned, that HOF wouldn't mean very much at all would it? Because if Cattermole can get in, any footballer whose played in a top division could get in, couldn't they? And a HOF is supposed to actual be an exclusivity thing isn't it? If you let everyone in, it defeats the purpose of it right?

Also dude we're debating the WWE HOF, nobody is "right" other than what Vince McMahon says is right. My point is she's one of the weaker entrants to ever be put into it. If you're out here trying to tell me that Molly Holly belongs in a HOF with actual criteria, then you can't win an argument. As long as you're arguing in that direction, I could be in a coma and I'd still be "right"

Why are you wasting your time typing all of this nonsense for? You said you know of non-dumb wrestling forums where there are people like yourself who will have given the correct opinion that Molly Holly does not deserve to be in the HoF. So what are you waiting for? Link it! You don't need to reply with anything except a link to such a thread and you can prove us all wrong!

LineOfBeauty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wow, so I actually ELI5'd why you're not making the slightest bit of sense, and it went in one ear and out the other and you instead replied by repeating the exact same thing again. Simply stunning.

And holy ****, you just listed the holders of a title as if that proves whether they are good technical wrestlers or not. That is beautiful. And you seem to have conveniently left out one or two names there. Is it possibly because your point makes no sense?



Why are you wasting your time typing all of this nonsense for? You said you have know of non-dumb wrestling forums where there are people like yourself who will have given the correct opinion that Molly Holly does not deserve to be in the HoF. So what are you waiting for? Link it! You don't need to reply with anything except a link to that thread and you can prove us all wrong!

Oh fun, OK maybe we'll get somewhere. What ROH Champions that I've left out have you actually seen wrestle in ROH? BTW, the 2 year either side thing was to show the quality of the era but whatever.

Aren't you on WON board or any decent pro wrestling discords along with here? I thought we all were, I'm on the VOW discord too and a couple lesser ones.

LineOfBeauty

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Oh fun, OK maybe we'll get somewhere. What ROH Champions that I've left out have you actually seen wrestle in ROH? BTW, the 2 year either side thing was to show the quality of the era but whatever.

Aren't you on WON board or any decent pro wrestling discords along with here? I thought we all were, I'm on the VOW discord too and a couple lesser ones.

Hmmm I don't see any links in this reply. Unless...

Oh... Oh no.. Did... Did you go to these forums... Did you go to the WON board.... and... well... most of the people said... well they said... that Molly Holly... of all people... does in fact... I don't know if I can say it... but that she does in fact deserve to be in the HoF?

Oh.. oh dear. I'm so sorry. Are you ok?

NITRO95

All this arguing over Vinces fake HOF is just pointless. Molly is in because they need a female inductee and it's her turn this year. That's it

LineOfBeauty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hmmm I don't see any links in this reply. Unless...

Oh... Oh no.. Did... Did you go to these forums... Did you go to the WON board.... and... well... most of the people said... well they said... that Molly Holly... of all people... does in fact... I don't know if I can say it... but that she does in fact deserve to be in the HoF?

Oh.. oh dear. I'm so sorry. Are you ok?

Jesus I've done damage here. I mean I can link you but it's a paid board, you won't be able to see it unless you're a member. But you get like a weekly Newsletter, access to podcasts too, it's well worth checking out!

daithi1989

NITRO95 wrote: »

All this arguing over Vinces fake HOF is just pointless. Molly is in because they need a female inductee and it's her turn this year. That's it

Couldnt agree more!

"I was a champion, and the writers told me that there was only room for one women’s match at WrestleMania. They were going to do a pillow fight or a mud match. I was really devastated and thought I gotta come up with something that makes them change their minds. So I put a bald cap on and had my photo taken. I made a booklet with a bunch of different storylines showing my head getting shaved. I presented it to Stephanie McMahon and some of the writers and said: ‘I’m willing to shave my head, can I please be on WrestleMania?’ Sure enough, they came back to me couple days later and said ‘All right, we’ll let you get your head shaved at WrestleMania."

- Molly Holly.

She went on to face Victoria at WrestleMania 20.

LineOfBeauty

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Jesus I've done damage here. I mean I can link you but it's a paid board, you won't be able to see it unless you're a member. But you get like a weekly Newsletter, access to podcasts too, it's well worth checking out!

Wow you're just full of false information. It's not a paid board, and I have already read the thread on the HoF. Didn't read what you were hoping you would read I assume?

Sirsok

I was enjoying this back and forth but finally have had enough. The line (of beauty) has finally been crossed

Lee Catermole is a fcuking gem and I demand an immediate retraction of any negative connotations you have ever made to the contrary.

Sirsok

Sirsok wrote: »

I was enjoying this back and forth but finally have had enough. The line (of beauty) has finally been crossed

Lee Catermole is a fcuking gem and I demand an immediate retraction of any negative connotations you have ever made to the contrary.

Finally someone talking sense.

LineOfBeauty

Sirsok wrote: »

I was enjoying this back and forth but finally have had enough. The line (of beauty) has finally been crossed

Lee Catermole is a fcuking gem and I demand an immediate retraction of any negative connotations you have ever made to the contrary.

I feel bad for using him as an example now!

Legit though Cattermole has more of a right to be in the same HOF as Messi, Maradona ect. than Molly Holly has of being in an actual HOF with Austin, Hogan, Kobashi, Misawa, Toyota, Omega ect.

LineOfBeauty

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I feel bad for using him as an example now!

Legit though Cattermole has more of a right to be in the same HOF as Messi, Maradona ect. than Molly Holly has of being in an actual HOF with Austin, Hogan, Kobashi, Misawa, Toyota, Omega ect.

But unfortunately not even the non-dumb forums think that.

LineOfBeauty

Deleted User wrote: »

Wow you're just full of false information. It's not a paid board, and I have already read the thread on the HoF. Didn't read what you were hoping you would read I assume?

What? Dude I'm on it right now. The Wrestling Observer Board is definitely a paid board right? I'm not going crazy here am I? And I have no idea what thread you're looking at over there (if you're even on the right forum cos I think you aren't dude) but all the takes on Holly are negative.

LineOfBeauty

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

What? Dude I'm on it right now. The Wrestling Observer Board is definitely a paid board right? I'm not going crazy here am I? And I have no idea what thread you're looking at over there (if you're even on the right forum cos I think you aren't dude) but all the takes on Holly are negative.

If only there was some magical way that one could link to the thread you are looking at.

One can dream eh?

LineOfBeauty

Deleted User wrote: »

If only there was some magical way that one could link to the thread you are looking at.

One can dream eh?

Well you can click here and see what happens but I'm certain you'll just get a screen telling you to register

https://theboard.f4wonline.com/

Which leads me to ask, what board were you on that you thought it was the Observer one?

LineOfBeauty

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Well you can click here and see what happens but I'm certain you'll just get a screen telling you to register

https://theboard.f4wonline.com/

Dude what the hell? :pac:

How are you not able to link directly to the thread? I am literally reading it right now. :pac:

Do you want me to do it for you?

LineOfBeauty

Deleted User wrote: »

Dude what the hell? :pac:

How are you not able to link directly to the thread? I am literally reading it right now. :pac:

Do you want me to do it for you?

https://theboard.f4wonline.com/forum/the-board/pro-wrestling/4489641-wwe-hall-of-fame-2020-2021

Like that one?

Well done!

Now, when was it that I first asked you to do that? Over an hour ago I think?

LineOfBeauty

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I feel bad for using him as an example now!

Legit though Cattermole has more of a right to be in the same HOF as Messi, Maradona ect. than Molly Holly has of being in an actual HOF with Austin, Hogan, Kobashi, Misawa, Toyota, Omega ect.

You're denigrating WWE HOF but Omega would be in your 'actual' HOF.

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Well done!

Now, when was it that I first asked you to do that? Over an hour ago I think?

Ye but dude can you actually see the thread I linked?

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Ye but dude can you actually see the thread I linked?

Yes, I have been registered on that board (for free) for 6 years.

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You're denigrating WWE HOF but Omega would be in your 'actual' HOF.

Every day of the week and twice on Sunday baby. And next year is Kazuchika Okada's first time on the ballot too and I'd be shocked if the Rainmaker doesn't get in as a first ballot Hall of Famer. Proper top pro wrestlers. But hey, if NJPW even do their own HOF maybe they'll throw Akiya Anzawa in there. Basically same as Holly.

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Yes, I have been registered on that board (for free) for 6 years.

Everything about this is too confusing. What's the latest message in the thread so?

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Everything about this is too confusing. What's the latest message in the thread so?

Yes I know, you thought it was a paid board, you must get confused quite easily.

The last post is someone saying that because she used to be Starla Sexton in WCW it's good enough for him that she's going into the HoF. Why do you ask?

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Yes I know, you thought it was a paid board, you must get confused quite easily.

The last post is someone saying that because she used to be Starla Sexton in WCW it's good enough for him that she's going into the HoF. Why do you ask?

Apparently so. But if you can see that thread and the takes have all been overwhelmingly negative why would you say earlier that you've not seen any fans be against her inclusion? None of it makes any sense. And if you subscribe the the Observer how in the name of God can your takes be so bad? I don't understand.

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Apparently so. But if you can see that thread and the takes have all been overwhelmingly negative why would you say earlier that you've not seen any fans be against her inclusion?

Care to link to the post where I said that?

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And if you subscribe the the Observer how in the name of God can your takes be so bad? I don't understand.

Hahaha that is beautiful. Tell me, do you have a picture of Meltzer on your bedside table?

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Care to link to the post where I said that?



Hahaha that is beautiful. Tell me, do you have a picture of Meltzer on your bedside table?

Lol nah I'm done. No offence but I thought you were some Facebook reply dude or maybe like a younger fan, but if you're on that board and you're aware enough of that realm of pro wrestling fandom and you still think Molly Holly (not 1 damn match 6 pages in!!!!) should be in a HOF (even one as dopey as the WWE HOF) then dude I don't know what to tell you.

I do, right beside my pictures Tony Khan, Kenny Omega and the Lord and Saviour himself, Taichi.

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Lol nah I'm done. No offence but I thought you were some Facebook reply dude or maybe like a younger fan, but if you're on that board and you're aware enough of that realm of pro wrestling fandom and you still think Molly Holly (not 1 damn match 6 pages in!!!!) should be in a HOF (even one as dopey as the WWE HOF) then dude I don't know what to tell you.

I do, right beside my pictures Tony Khan, Kenny Omega and the Lord and Saviour himself, Taichi.

Very good. Thank you for admitting you were wrong in your own little weird way yet again.

Perhaps, next time, improve on your self-awareness by having a quick look at the Join Date of a Boards poster before you wonder if they are a younger fan or not. Then people can start to take you seriously.

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Very good. Thank you for admitting you were wrong in your own little weird way yet again.

Perhaps, next time, improve on your self-awareness by having a quick look at the Join Date of a Boards poster before you wonder if they are a younger fan or not. Then people can start to take you seriously.

Dude. Not 1(!) match. What HOF candidate (in any actual HOF) doesn't have 1 match any fan could name off the top of their head as being his/her standout moment. 6 pages, you can't name 1. It's embarrassing.

And, for a lot of people even more importantly, she has never drawn! Let alone on top of a ppv, I don't think she was ever even the featured act in a main event segment on Raw or Smackdown! If I'm wrong on that please, tell me. If I'm right, ignore this.

Legacy? 0. Middle of the road performer in the weakest division in the company. Over? Meh, not really and not even to the extent of the top 3 or 4 wrestlers in this 10-12 woman division.

And those, my friend. Are the facts. And until you can think of 1,2 or (preferably)3 outstanding matches in which Molly Holly looked great (lowest bar in the world here!) then your argument is a nonsense.

Unless you can show me a PPV number she popped, an attendance she is responsible for drawing, or even some quarter hours where she popped some ratings, then your argument is a nonsense.

And unless you can find me a line of pro wrestlers imitating Molly Holly's work, or who cite Molly Holly as a reason for getting into the business, then guess what, your argument is a nonsense.

And that brother, was me being horrible.

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I'm on a roll now so I'm gonna continue

And you know what else, 1 popped rating, 1 ppv number, 1 decent attendance. We're talking stupidly low bars here.
1 great match. A literal blow up doll has had more than 1 great match. We're talking stupidly low bars here.
Historical significance? None. Absolutely none, you look at actual wrestlers with actual historical significance and then you have people trying to lump undercard comedy acts in with them? It's at best a joke.

I mean we all have access to the internet, learn your history. Learn your pro wrestling history and get some perspective on it before coming at me with ridiculous takes. In the WON HOF you've got guys like Tomohiro Ishii (all time great bell to bell worker) who isn't going to get into the thing because of his lack of drawing record. Guys like Masaaki Mochizuki who'll probably never sniff WON HOF because of a lack of eyeballs on him. Jesus Jun Akiyama only got in this year, the (unofficial) 5th pillar of heaven only got in this year!

nd if you'd said "It's the WWE HOF so whatever, they just get whatever body they can to fill space" I'd have said ye, fair enough.

But to actually make a case for Molly Holly, that she'd actually get into any HOF with actual criteria. To say that she belongs with Toyota, Matsumoto, Bull Nakano, the Crush Gals. Again, it's at best a joke.

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Dude. Not 1(!) match. What HOF candidate (in any actual HOF) doesn't have 1 match any fan could name off the top of their head as being his/her standout moment. 6 pages, you can't name 1. It's embarrassing.

Oh I can name several matches of hers that I thought were great (even though I don't think such matches are necessary to be considered HoF worthy). But, as I said earlier, you have to answer the questions of mine you dodged first.

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And, for a lot of people even more importantly, she has never drawn! Let alone on top of a ppv, I don't think she was ever even the featured act in a main event segment on Raw or Smackdown! If I'm wrong on that please, tell me. If I'm right, ignore this.

And as I already explained before, mid carders can and should be in the HoF.

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Legacy? 0. Middle of the road performer in the weakest division in the company. Over? Meh, not really and not even to the extent of the top 3 or 4 wrestlers in this 10-12 woman division.

That is your opinion, whereas the majority of people believe that she was underrated in the ring, and I can provide sources if necessary.

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And those, my friend. Are the facts.

Oh look, you've given more opinions and stated confidently that they are facts. At least you are consistent in not knowing what the definition of the word fact is.

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And until you can think of 1,2 or (preferably)3 outstanding matches in which Molly Holly looked great (lowest bar in the world here!) then your argument is a nonsense.

As I said, I can think of a few but I would want her in the HoF regardless of them. If it's so important to you though, why don't Google that, watch some and then decide for yourself? It's very obvious you haven't even considered doing that because you know you're right and that's that.

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Unless you can show me a PPV number she popped, an attendance she is responsible for drawing, or even some quarter hours where she popped some ratings, then your argument is a nonsense.

And unless you can find me a line of pro wrestlers imitating Molly Holly's work, or who cite Molly Holly as a reason for getting into the business, then guess what, your argument is a nonsense.

Again, it's very obvious that you are mentally comparing the WON HoF and the WWE HoF. There is not enough people that WWE would typically put into the HoF (retired and at some point associated with the WWE) to satisfy that criteria.

I mean we all have access to the internet, learn your history. Learn your pro wrestling history and get some perspective on it before coming at me with ridiculous takes.

Amazing. Absolutely amazing. You have no idea that I used to work in the wrestling industry do you?

You come strongly across as a teenager who is never wrong, are you aware of that?

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Oh I can name several matches of hers that I thought were great (even though I don't think such matches are necessary to be considered HoF worthy). But, as I said earlier, you have to answer the questions of mine you dodged first.



And as I already explained before, mid carders can and should be in the HoF.



That is your opinion, whereas the majority of people believe that she was underrated in the ring, and I can provide sources if necessary.



Oh look, you've given more opinions and stated confidently that they are facts. At least you are consistent in not knowing what the definition of the word fact is.



As I said, I can think of a few but I would want her in the HoF regardless of them. If it's so important to you though, why don't Google that, watch some and then decide for yourself? It's very obvious you haven't even considered doing that because you know you're right and that's that.



Again, it's very obvious that you are mentally comparing the WON HoF and the WWE HoF. There is not enough people that WWE would typically put into the HoF (retired and at some point associated with the WWE) to satisfy that criteria.

I've already said what I needed to on this in my last comment.

But on the last paragraph. If you don't have enough candidates then don't do the HOF show this year. If you've running low on candidates then limit how many go in each year instead of sticking God knows how many in this year all in one go!

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I've already said what I needed to on this in my last comment.

"Good points you've made there so I won't reply to them."

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But on the last paragraph. If you don't have enough candidates then don't do the HOF show this year. If you've running low on candidates then limit how many go in each year instead of sticking God knows how many in this year all in one go!

Beautiful. Clearly, who goes into the WWE HoF is important to you if you are suggesting that.

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Amazing. Absolutely amazing. You have no idea that I used to work in the wrestling industry do you?

You come strongly across as a teenager who is never wrong, are you aware of that?

God I would absolutely love to know! And unless you were sat down watching late 80's/early 90's joshi, or early/mid 90's AJPW, or Dragon Gate (Mochizuki is forever), or NJPW (2012-current) then you're work in the wrestling industry literally does not apply to any of the wrestlers I named. I hope, whatever you did in the wrestling industry, it wasn't in a historical capacity or anything outside of watching Molly Holly on Heat.

I mean, my record is pretty good.

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"Good points you've made there so I won't reply to them."



Beautiful. Clearly, who goes into the WWE HoF is important to you if you are suggesting that.

Nobody can convince me you aren't a teenager. Nobody.

Explain how? If they're running low on people, induct less people. Duh.

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God I would absolutely love to know! And unless you were sat down watching late 80's/early 90's joshi, or early/mid 90's AJPW, or Dragon Gate (Mochizuki is forever), or NJPW (2012-current) then you're work in the wrestling industry literally does not apply to any of the wrestlers I named. I hope, whatever you did in the wrestling industry, it wasn't in a historical capacity or anything outside of watching Molly Holly on Heat.

I mean, my record is pretty good.

Wow, please keep going. You're ticking all of the boxes of the type of person I think you are. Please, tell me more of the vast knowledge that you know and of the things you have assumed that I don't know.

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Nobody can convince me you aren't a teenager. Nobody.

Awwww that's adorable. May I recommend this forum for you?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

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Explain how? If they're running low on people, induct less people. Duh.

OMG it's so obvious! Have you considered submitting your CV?

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Wow, please keep going. You're ticking all of the boxes of the type of person I think you are. Please, tell me more of the vast knowledge that you know and of the things you have assumed that I don't know.

Do you want me to tell you what I think you know about? Apparently Molly Holly is your area of expertise and yet you wont share your knowledge with us on your specialty subject, which is odd alright.

What do I know? No idea, ask me questions, I'll give you takes.

Can I ask you questions?

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Do you want me to tell you what I think you know about?

Off you go.

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Off you go.

Dude I just said it, Molly Holly. But even though that's your area of expertise, you won't share it with us. I ask for match recommendations all the time, can you give me any Holly match recs?