Do the state have an upper limit on spend per unit?

poker--addict

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/glenveagh-to-charge-council-up-to-791-500-for-family-apartments-1.4456642%3fmode=amp

“The builder is also planning to sell 14 two-bed apartments to the council at a price of €641,899 each and 41 one-bed apartments for €408,074 each. Glenveagh is also planning to offer the local authority 10 studio apartments at a price of €297,323 each.“

Would the state not go and build homes instead of shoe boxes in a cheaper location? It’s important the state/council have unite, but hardly at nosebleed prices.

Genuinely interested in the logic deployed in these type of council /state purchases?

ec18

its the way current policy is, that there's no public building it's about mixed tenure developments. In fairness to the developer it would be unfair to expect them to provide units at a discount as all that will do is make the other units more expensive to private buyers

Smouse156

ec18 wrote: »

its the way current policy is, that there's no public building it's about mixed tenure developments. In fairness to the developer it would be unfair to expect them to provide units at a discount as all that will do is make the other units more expensive to private buyers

They are required to provide a discount to the open market price. I agree it’s absolute madness to pay these prices, would be far better off building in cheaper locations.

It’s crazy that social housing is needed in every area when most working people can’t afford to live in those areas (dock lands, D4, D6 etc). Why should social get the privilege the rest don’t?

Grolschevik

Smouse156 wrote: »

It’s crazy that social housing is needed in every area when most working people can’t afford to live in those areas (dock lands, D4, D6 etc). Why should social get the privilege the rest don’t?

People in social housing work too.

It's probably a good thing that the cleaners and porters in Vincent's and the Mater don't have to commute from Leitrim every day.

poker--addict

Grolschevik, totally agree large numbers do work too and have good reason to be supported, but many if not most professionals commute 45-90 minutes as they are priced out unless their parents can help them.

Even if the government insist on the mixed tenure developments there is no reason to pay nosebleed prices when cheaper sites could be utilised, and the savings directed into even more units, or elsewhere? Does value for money enter the equation or is it all about people or PC policies at any cost? Im sure the department of finance have some half decent reason for allowing this?

Ronaldinho

"The builder is also planning to sell 14 two-bed apartments to the council at a price of €641,899 each and 41 one-bed apartments for €408,074 each."

On Sheriff St.

Smouse156

Grolschevik wrote: »

People in social housing work too.

It's probably a good thing that the cleaners and porters in Vincent's and the Mater don't have to commute from Leitrim every day.

But it’s ok for the nurses and junior doctors to commute from miles out? I know they should get some support but farcical to get these premium units for free! Plus it’s a giant piss away of state funds when many more people could be housed if they bought more cheaper units with the same pool of money

SEPT 23 1989

That's no place for children to grow up in

Far better to be on the outskirts of Dublin for half the price with a garden for kids to play in

Eric Cartman

we don't need any more social housing inside the m50 or along the Leinster coastline, an absolute abomination when workers are being pinched every which way to support this.

Idbatterim

Grolschevik wrote: »

People in social housing work too.

It's probably a good thing that the cleaners and porters in Vincent's and the Mater don't have to commute from Leitrim every day.

But the nurses etc travelling up from leitrim because they cant afford to love in Dublin is ok? Paying for the free accommodation for social housing, that they will never benefit from...

Idbatterim

Smouse156 wrote: »

But it’s ok for the nurses and junior doctors to commute from miles out? I know they should get some support but farcical to get these premium units for free! Plus it’s a giant piss away of state funds when many more people could be housed if they bought more cheaper units with the same pool of money

I posted before I read the rest of the comments. You hit the nail on the head. I checked Dublin one apartments earlier, they are available for half the cost of what these new luxury apartments will be bought for, meaning double the amount of properties could be provided, far better value for money for taxpayer. Maybe saving could even be used to reduce construction taxes and benefit buyers paying a fortune to rent or buy new properties. Yes buying up existing properties and competing with private buyers is a disgrace, but it's better than the current farce. They are just so far down he rabbit hole after years of taking the piss and what they perceived to be the easy way out, least effort option for the council. The problem is the medium to longterm outcomes is bloody horrendous for the taxpayer and housing supply. As well as being a moral disgrace, basically free luxury housing for wasters, paid by workers living in kids, paying a fortune and/ or undertaking large commutes.

The councils only concern now is homeless and housing figures, they'd pay a million euro for a one bed if the press and public didn't kick up enough stink.!

Grolschevik

Idbatterim wrote: »

But the nurses etc travelling up from leitrim because they cant afford to love in Dublin is ok?

poker--addict wrote: »

many if not most professionals commute 45-90 minutes as they are priced out unless their parents can help them.

Smouse156 wrote: »

But it’s ok for the nurses and junior doctors to commute from miles out?

Yeah, but what about [insert counter-example here]?

Some nurses have a long commute, some don't.
Some have shifts that suit public transport, some don't.
Some porters and cleaners do, some don't.
Some professionals do, some don't.

There's no one size fits all 'correct' place for people working in an entire sector/area/profession to live.
Or for people who may be looking for work.

Unless you want to get all Soviet about it and centrally allocate current housing based on current occupation and occupational location.

That's why a mix is good.

Idbatterim wrote: »

a moral disgrace, basically free luxury housing for wasters, paid by workers living in kids, paying a fortune and/ or undertaking large commutes.

I'm not even going to go there. It's the same old same old we've heard a thousand times.

poker--addict

I think a mix is a separate debate. It may well be good not to shove all social housing into a single enormous tower in a suburb. Ireland did try that and it didn’t do so well.

The policy to mix people doesn’t compel government to purchase units in the most expensive parts of the county. Why buy one in the city centre when 2 or 3 units could be bought on any number of transport corridors into the city centre.

At the very least is there an economic reason why someone might need a unit in this location? Or is it simply a case of my family are from that area so they have a right not to move 30 minutes away?

I have a call setup with a council member to learn a bit more. I’d suggest people would do well to spend 5 min emailing their representatives.

The sums of money changing hands are enormous, and it is those living 60-90 min from their office that are paying for it.

jimmycrackcorm

Grolschevik wrote: »

People in social housing work too.

It's probably a good thing that the cleaners and porters in Vincent's and the Mater don't have to commute from Leitrim every day.

Why not go all out on the exaggeration and suggest they might be living on Tory island?

The simple fact is that the state could instead build mass public housing at the best price on state-owned land or land that is not in the most expensive parts.

But the bleeding hearts refuse to let social or council housing work because they won't do anything about kicking out anti-social elements, and so they just hope that social tenant s will behave if there aren't too many of them mixed in with private buyers. It only takes one scumbag family to ruin a whole estate.