Time to embrace Unionism?

Haraldkare

Is there room for a Unionist party in the Republic? Have we become a failed state?
The Brits said that we were not fit to govern ourselves. I grew up scoffing at this, and being pushed into the nationalist pride that every country shoves down the throats of its youth.

I find we Irish always like to include ourselves in matters, and now we are in a club with the Nazi's, Yugoslavs, Burmese, etc with mass killings of our own.

We have or are in the process of abandoning our church as the evils of the past fog any benefits it provided. Should we do the same with our state?

We were told of how progressive and booming a nation we are, but it seems it is only for the rich.
We are among the highest infections per capita and the slowest vaccine rollout. And a government that uses a national travesty to sneak former ministers back into work.

I sometimes think that the British were right. I think there are a lot of citizens in Ireland that would prefer to be run by Britain, but feel ashamed to admit it.

suicide_circus

NEEEVVVVEERRRR!

And pray thee tell, in what ways would we be better off if we were to pledge allegiance to Elizabeth?

FTA69

If you're annoyed by governments for the rich and mass Covid infections you're going to lose your life when you meet the Conservative Party.

WrenBoy

I.... I mean ... what fresh ****e is this ??
Self loathing to new levels, come on man get a hold of yourself.

Feisar

mariaalice

FTA69 wrote: »

If you're annoyed by governments for the rich and mass Covid infections you're going to lose your life when you meet the Conservative Party.

The vaccine role maybe he one saving grace on Brexit for the Conservative party they have more vaccine simply because they can bypass the EC the role out is a bit of a mess though they are going for 24 vaccination clinics now.

I like the way UK society does not bring shame into every conversation the Conservative government are twats, but here the chatter is the government is shameful it's not healthy linking shame to everything.

Nekarsulm

Perhaps wait for Unionists to come to the realisation that Boris ( and England) care tuppence for them.
When the DUP held the balance of power in the May Government, there was a rush by the UK media to find out who " these people" were.
We are all just "Irish" to them...

TheBoyConor

No how could a unionist party have any basis to exist in the free 26?

What would their platform be? That the free 26 ought to just reverse the last 100 odd years of independence from the UK, amputate itself from the European Union, and then re-hitch the wagon to what is now a foreign country, and not only that, a foreign country that has voluntarily chosen to self destruct and is now slowly but surely going down the social and economic swally and turning into a basket case nation.

Yeah, I think a party proposing that would get a fair few seats in the Dail.

A unionist movement in the North has a legitimate basis - advocating the maintenance of the status quo. Setting up a platform in the 26 advocating a complete reversal of everything achieved in the 26 in the last 100 years is an entirely different proposition. And an absolutely crazy one at that.

TheValeyard

mariaalice

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Perhaps wait for Unionists to come to the realisation that Boris ( and England) care tuppence for them.
When the DUP held the balance of power in the May Government, there was a rush by the UK media to find out who " these people" were.
We are all just "Irish" to them...

They know that.

rossie1977

Given the popularity of the US Republican party on boards their Irish version (DUP) should really think about running in the 26 counties and just remove the allegiance to the queen stuff.

WoollyRedHat

Do you get days off for going on parades? If so, sash me up.

WrenBoy

rossie1977 wrote: »

Given the popularity of the US Republican party on boards their Irish version (DUP) should really think about running in the 26 counties and just remove the allegiance to the queen stuff.

And you think the Democrats would be what Sinn Féin ?

FTA69

mariaalice wrote: »

The vaccine role maybe he one saving grace on Brexit for the Conservative party they have more vaccine simply because they can bypass the EC the role out is a bit of a mess though they are going for 24 vaccination clinics now.

I like the way UK society does not bring shame into every conversation the Conservative government are twats, but here the chatter is the government is shameful it's not healthy linking shame to everything.

I'd prefer the term "corrupt shower of c*nts" myself.

rossie1977

WrenBoy wrote: »

And you think the Democrats would be what Sinn Féin ?

Democrats are Tories under Cameron or FG.

WesternZulu

We're ahead of the UK in nearly every global index.

Even their beloved NHS is only ranked one place above the HSE in a recent global review.

To join the UK would be a regressive move and not based on any logical thought. In any case I'd be shocked if such a mantra even captured 1% of the electorate here.

mariaalice

FTA69 wrote: »

I'd prefer the term "corrupt shower of c*nts" myself.

Thats alright as well it's brisk, as long as there is concrete evidence to back it up not just I don't like them or their ideology so they must be corrupt.

lawred2

Haraldkare wrote: »

Is there room for a Unionist party in the Republic? Have we become a failed state?
The Brits said that we were not fit to govern ourselves. I grew up scoffing at this, and being pushed into the nationalist pride that every country shoves down the throats of its youth.

I find we Irish always like to include ourselves in matters, and now we are in a club with the Nazi's, Yugoslavs, Burmese, etc with mass killings of our own.

We have or are in the process of abandoning our church as the evils of the past fog any benefits it provided. Should we do the same with our state?

We were told of how progressive and booming a nation we are, but it seems it is only for the rich.
We are among the highest infections per capita and the slowest vaccine rollout. And a government that uses a national travesty to sneak former ministers back into work.

I sometimes think that the British were right. I think there are a lot of citizens in Ireland that would prefer to be run by Britain, but feel ashamed to admit it.

So you think hitching ourselves to one of the most unequal nations on earth will solve that? Even more unequal than Ireland?

biko

Join with UK. Stronger together!

Feisar

WesternZulu wrote: »

We're ahead of the UK in nearly every global index.

Even their beloved NHS is only ranked one place above the HSE in a recent global review.

To join the UK would be a regressive move and not based on any logical thought. In any case I'd be shocked if such a mantra even captured 1% of the electorate here.

Our infrastructure isn't a patch on their's. They were a powerhouse for such a long time, hard to make that up overnight.

mariaalice

WesternZulu wrote: »

We're ahead of the UK in nearly every global index.

Even their beloved NHS is only ranked one place above the HSE in a recent global review.

To join the UK would be a regressive move and not based on any logical thought. In any case I'd be shocked if such a mantra even captured 1% of the electorate here.

Also, people don't want to hear that they want someone to blame.

weemcd

Although someone will have to try. My gut feeling would be it's about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

Whatever approach taken, at the first sign of compromise Unionism returns to type, stomps it's feet and that is swiftly followed by NEVER shouted repeatedly.

The siege mentality, the foundation of Unionism can barely acknowledge the existence of the Republic let alone see itself as a part of it. They strive to be more British than even the British themselves.

Time would be much better spent engaging with neutrals and those who tend to not vote. In a border poll they would ultimately hold the balance of power. Over time the demographics will shrink the Unionist voter base, but that would be a slow erosion rather than a landslide shift over a short period of time.

It's interesting to watch this all unfold. If I had to make a prediction I'd guess a border poll called within roughly the next 10 years, with the actual voting held 2 years+ after that. The Pro and Anti UI parties would want to have their affairs in order long before this.

FTA69

mariaalice wrote: »

That alright as well it's brisk, as long as there is concrete evidence to back it up not just I don't like them or their ideology so they must be corrupt.

The fact they’ve abolished school meal vouchers and privatised foot provision out to a company ran by a major Tory donor that is now claiming £30 in public money plus fees for providing £6 worth of food would be one example.


Boris Johnson charging business figures tens of thousands of pounds for private tennis matches would be another one.

The Republic Says No



Is there a place for protestants with a fetish for some Dutch guy? Sure, I was a big Jap fan.

WesternZulu

Feisar wrote: »

Our infrastructure isn't a patch on their's. They were a powerhouse for such a long time, hard to make that up overnight.

Not necessarily, if we're taking about roads then there have been huge improvements in Ireland in that past few decades.

Ireland now has far superior roads than NI whereas a lot of the older infrastructure in Britain is beginning to look dated since construction in the 50s.

If we're taking public transport infrastructure; we're as bad as eachother.

Kermit.de.frog

I have considered the matter carefully OP and I disagree.

But it is time we took our rightful place and joined the United States of America.

NIMAN

WesternZulu wrote: »

We're ahead of the UK in nearly every global index.

Even their beloved NHS is only ranked one place above the HSE in a recent global review.

To join the UK would be a regressive move and not based on any logical thought. In any case I'd be shocked if such a mantra even captured 1% of the electorate here.

The NHS is often held up as some great example by Britain of something they have thats fantastic.

As someone who grew up in NI and who still is registered in NI for medical purposes, it is a mess, and has been for several decades.

Its nothing to be proud of.

26 post OP

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WrenBoy

I think we'd be right at home in the New Russian Federation myself, that way we could get a nice dose of repression that everyone seems desperate for these days.

Kermit.de.frog

The Chinese league of nations is also an option...