Is 2021 a write off?

Kintarō Hattori

corcaigh07 wrote: »

You can fly Dublin to Krakow tomorrow? I can see it happening.

I can't imagine it'd be very wise travelling with a 4 year old (as she'll be then). Maybe I'm just being overly cautious?

recyclops

Thats my problem, looking like I wont be vaccinated until Q4 2021 and everyone around me is gagging for a summer because the vulnerable are vaccinated.

Me, I am looking at the guy who I work with who got it in April 2020 and still suffering and he would be comparable to myself in terms of lifestyle and fitness ( at a guess) technically he is recovered but if you speak to him he wouldnt agree

So whilst I want to get away and have as good a year as possible I also dont want to pick up the virus even though I would more than likely shake it off

Hector Savage

Deleted User wrote: »

Given we weren't really locked down in summer 2020 and there were 5 cases in June 21 why would we be locked down this summer with 50% of people vaccinated.

Because at this stage it has nothing to do with the virus, I do think virus wise we will be fine this summer.

But red tape bureacrats govts are months behind reality, so restrictions will continue.

alentejo

I think summer needs to shift from June - July & August to July, August and September.

If schools are closed till late February, school holidays need to be pushed back - Slightly shorter school year in from Oct 21 to June22

eddie73

We are entering the most important 2 months of the pandemic. when the most vulnerable are vaccinated, we should have a better idea about the lay of the land and how much and how soon we can open up.

I think that come easter, the decision to open up despite not having everyone vaccinated should be accepted by all. Yes we are going to hear about variants of the virus. Yes we are going to hear about outbreaks in the community and institutions. Yes we are going to have coronavirus for the foreseeable as we have measles or mumps. But to try to micro manage the virus after the most vulnerable have been vaccinated would be exacerbating the economic hardship that the world has to face. And anyone who refutes this with "money isn't everything" should consider what you can and cant do without money. This includes healthcare.

quokula

Hector Savage wrote: »

Because at this stage it has nothing to do with the virus, I do think virus wise we will be fine this summer.

But red tape bureacrats govts are months behind reality, so restrictions will continue.

I thought the lessons from the last few weeks might finally have hit everyone, but seems some people are just in absolute denial of reality.

Every step of the way, when we've been in lockdown there's been loud protests about government overreaction, then every time the government bowed to pressure and opened up too early the cases have skyrocketed and unsurprisingly it turned out that experts made more accurate predictions than braying mobs.

Nobody is locking down for the craic. The government have repeatedly tried to open up earlier than experts recommended, and it's been a disaster each time. They even had a program to pay people to take staycations rather than stay at home last year. It is not in their interest to lock down any more than they have to, and I find it utterly mind boggling that there are people who somehow think that governments actually want lockdowns for any reason other than the fact that they have conclusively been proven to save many many lives.

As soon as it is feasible to open up without killing loads of people, it will happen. I expect this Summer will be much like the last one, everything will be opened up enough for people to get on with life, socialise outdoors, go where they want as long as they're sensible with mask wearing, distancing and hygiene and case numbers remain low.

Vaccines will be helping a lot by then, but we've a much bigger mountain to climb in terms of getting cases down to a manageable level right now than we did at any point last year, and lockdown severity and compliance is nowhere near what it was last April so the numbers will come down more slowly.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can't un-quote snoopsheep but I admire the fact he engaged and reconsidered. He wasn't entirely wrong and he took on board other opinions.

It's rare, it's beautiful and shouldn't go unrecognised. Massive respect mate. Might not agree with you, but always will be willing to talk about any difference.

Thank you

Nope i was just a dick, tbh, but appreciated!

Dravokivich

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

What's blocking us reopening is the numbers of people who could possibly end up in ICU or taking up hospital beds. So when it comes to vaccinations you can basically open up once the population over mid-thirties are vaccinated.

I'm over mid-30's and most of us are the 2nd last group listed to get vaccinated.

rob316

I think we'll be back enjoying holidays by June. The whole year is certainly not a right off.

ixoy

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'm over mid-30's and most of us are the 2nd last group listed to get vaccinated.

Because it's a low-risk group, excluding any presence in the previous group. Broadly it seems 18-55 is seen as the lowest risk assuming you're not working with the public or have an existing medical condition. 30s is not old in this instance anyway, nor is 40s or 50s.

Supercell

Booked a self catering AirBNB Irish holiday in August as I don't want to spend a fortune on a foreign holiday with masks and restrictions, self-isolating and all that in a hotel room, hopefully by then we'll be coming the other side of it here. Maybe optimistic but it's nice to have something to look forward too.

Theboinkmaster

i booked 2 weeks in Portugal in July with family as i think we'll be well on our way back to normality by then.

Mister Vain

Deleted User wrote: »

Given we weren't really locked down in summer 2020 and there were 5 cases in June 21 why would we be locked down this summer with 50% of people vaccinated.

They will make some other excuse like everyone needs 2 or 3 jabs before we go back to normal. Or a new deadly strain of the virus will emerge that will outsmart us all.

GT89

I've booked two weeks in Italy for the summer if it's the same story this summer as last Ile be going

JasonStatham

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Where can I get some garden furniture, so I can drink my homemade coffee outdoors and pretend I'm eating out? Might as well try and enjoy my summer somehow.

Yeah it's a write off and you only have 11 and a half months to go. It'll be tough.

Theboinkmaster

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

i booked 2 weeks in Portugal in July with family as i think we'll be well on our way back to normality by then.

You're more optimistic than me.

Lucifer

Mister Vain wrote: »

They will make some other excuse like everyone needs 2 or 3 jabs before we go back to normal. Or a new deadly strain of the virus will emerge that will outsmart us all.

Why would they want that? What do they have to gain from it?

Please explain who you think would benefit from it? Any how they would benefit from it?

Mister Vain

Lucifer wrote: »

Why would they want that? What do they have to gain from it?

Please explain who you think would benefit from it? Any how they would benefit from it?

I'm not saying they'd want that or benefit from it, but they've had to do a lot of things up until now that nobody wants. Who knows what could happen this year.

Tiernster7

I pushed holidays in France from last June to this June not because I'm optimistic but because I didn't have a choice.
Right now it's 60-40 against that we will go

Biggest thing to watch is what is Europe's attitude to the virus this time. The sense I am getting is France want to go much closer to zero then before, the next 2 months will be interesting

Ferris_Bueller

Surely anyone who is saying the full year will be a write off is on a wind up, I know none of us know exactly when things will get back to normal and maybe some things such as mask wearing and hand sanitizer will be here to stay, but if we are aiming to have everyone vaccinated by the end of September surely we will be back to normal for Halloween at the latest, even if you are a pessimist.

I'm hoping that a relatively normal summer is on the cards. I'm not expecting big festivals or concerts to go ahead but I'm hoping that most social gatherings - weddings, pubs, restaurants will be permitted without restriction by July and August. Hard to know on travel, would love to get away this summer but not going to go booking anything yet.

The optimist in me is hoping that we will see a huge improvement around March time after a few months of lockdown and all of the most vulnerable vaccinated. It will be interesting to see how the government and NPHET react around that time if the virus is still in wide circulation but hospital numbers and deaths are very low.

rdhma

While some easing of restrictions by summer may be possible, travelling freely outside this rather small country is a long way off.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-donnelly-says-4m-to-be-inoculated-by-end-of-september-as-mass-vaccination-centres-planned-1.4457749

Best case with top notch organisation and no supply hiccups would be all adults vaccinated and free to travel in October.
Best case.

No sense in booking any travel before 2022, unless fully refundable.

funnydoggy

Summer 2020, we had very little cases and deaths and that was without a vaccine. A year later, we're gonna have 4+ vaccines and HCWs will know how to treat it better.

It'll be a nice summer.

Dickie10

i can see case numbers coming down rapidly if we stay in level 5 til march 20th. you could be down to 400 cases or less. i wonder will Galway Races go ahead? you would imagine that will be agood test for the vaccine? if anyone has experienced the thursday they will know what im talking about or shop st that night

GazzaL

We really are a nation of dickheads. NPHET and Varadkar are saying we could be locked up for months on end. Neither NPHET or the Government have a plan, they make it up as they go along and ignore the WHO and our neighbours in Europe. Neither NPHET or the Government have felt any financial impact as they are all on full pay and expenses. Some businesses have been closed for almost a year at this stage.

If you have any money, you'd be best off moving it out of the country as it will be pilfered to pay the civil service and the politicians. And sure auld RTE will have the hand out again as their commercial advertising revenues have dropped despite capitalising on ratings with misery porn. No surprises that businesses won't advertise with a media organisation that is aiding the economic destruction of the country.

Sinn Féin are the weakest opposition in the history of the State, fully backing NPHET and the Government, their only criticism being "you need to do even more of the same" and begging for social welfare.

Heat_Wave

I don’t think there will be any travelling until 2022.

I think people will continue to wfh till 2022.

alentejo

I hate life. Please put me to sleep and wake me up when its all over!

funnydoggy

alentejo wrote: »

I hate life. Please put me to sleep and wake me up when its all over!

Probably a flippant comment but hope all is good alentejo.

Le Bruise

alentejo wrote: »

I hate life. Please put me to sleep and wake me up when its all over!

When September ends?

B.A._Baracus

Imo,
Work from home will continue until 2022 and things won't be back to normal until everyone is vaccinated and that won't happen in 2021.

Even if by winter 2021 there is like 50% of Ireland vaccinated there will be another lockdown when a surge of cases happens. Not sure vaccinated people would like that but it is what it is.

I personally expect lockdown >> open >> lockdown this year.

landofthetree

corcaigh07 wrote: »

You can fly Dublin to Krakow tomorrow? I can see it happening.

What if you dont live within 5km of an airport?