What will be the replacement for Peat Briquettes

quinnd6

I ask this because it was in the news that Bord Na Mona have stopped producing Peat Briquettes and will instead focus on green and renewables.
That's just bs pr speak.
Like what the hell does that actually mean?
I have a stove.
What am I going to be putting into it when Peat briquettes are gone?
No one in media is addressing this problem.
People need to be able to heat their homes.
Wtf are people like me going to do?

PMBC

I was thinking the same when I first heard the news today. However, as I listened again this evening, it was said that production would finish in 2024. So a few years left.

quinnd6

PMBC wrote: »

I was thinking the same when I first heard the news today. However, as I listened again this evening, it was said that production would finish in 2024. So a few years left.

Not if people go mad and buy them all out.
You know how stupid Irish people are in general.
Those who can afford it go mad and buy everything out so others can't get it.
You remember what happened when everyone went mad and bought up all the bread.
People in Ireland do that kind of thing and screw things up for others

lucalux

Wood, coal/anthracite, wood briquettes etc.

Sleeper12

You'll be buying Smokeless fuel instead of the brickets.

NSAman

Would ya not throw on a pair of wellies and head out to the bog in the dead of night to avoid detection and foot a little turf? well away from the main roads loike???

Banana Republic 1

quinnd6 wrote: »

I ask this because it was in the news that Bord Na Mona have stopped producing Peat Briquettes and will instead focus on green and renewables.
That's just bs pr speak.
Like what the hell does that actually mean?
I have a stove.
What am I going to be putting into it when Peat briquettes are gone?
No one in media is addressing this problem.
People need to be able to heat their homes.
Wtf are people like me going to do?

Wood, smokeless coal. Burning turf is as bad as burning tyres.

MrMusician18

quinnd6 wrote: »

I ask this because it was in the news that Bord Na Mona have stopped producing Peat Briquettes and will instead focus on green and renewables.
That's just bs pr speak.
Like what the hell does that actually mean?
I have a stove.
What am I going to be putting into it when Peat briquettes are gone?
No one in media is addressing this problem.
People need to be able to heat their homes.
Wtf are people like me going to do?

Wood briquettes, seasoned timber

HeidiHeidi

Sawdust logs FTW.

mickdw

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Wood, smokeless coal. Burning turf is as bad as burning tyres.

Good to know. Have a heap of tyres out the back. Can safety throw then on the turf fire now. Thanks.

jetfiremuck

Imported from Poland or other country if theres a market here.

divillybit

There's some amount of ashes from briquettes, when compared to coal or timber. The 'new' briquettes are made of compressed sawdust and there's very little ashes from them. Bord na Mona have alot of peat stockpiled yet, especially around Lanesboro and Shannon Bridge where the power stations closed. They will find a market for that yet, be it for horticulture or briquettes.

quinnd6

divillybit wrote: »

There's some amount of ashes from briquettes, when compared to coal or timber. The 'new' briquettes are made of compressed sawdust and there's very little ashes from them. Bord na Mona have alot of peat stockpiled yet, especially around Lanesboro and Shannon Bridge where the power stations closed. They will find a market for that yet, be it for horticulture or briquettes.

Will they come out with environmentally friendly briquettes?
Will ordering pallets be a thing of the past?
It worked out handier than it would have been going to the shop every week for firewood would be.

mp3guy

quinnd6 wrote: »

Will they come out with environmentally friendly briquettes?
Will ordering pallets be a thing of the past?
It worked out handier than it would have been going to the shop every week for firewood would be.

You can order pallets of firewood?

HeidiHeidi

mp3guy wrote: »

You can order pallets of firewood?

Or eco- logs

Banana Republic 1

mickdw wrote: »

Good to know. Have a heap of tyres out the back. Can safety throw then on the turf fire now. Thanks.

I don’t know if thats stupidly or ignorants talking

NIMAN

Oil?

the purple tin

All the little guys selling firewood from the trees off their land will do well.

_Brian

Dry seasoned timber of any sort is much superior to turf based products.

This market is saturated with loads of small suppliers and if they do a good job on seasoning then it’s a great alternative.

Briquettes had advantages though. The older folk specially will miss them. My mam could pop into town and get a few bales from anywhere in the boot of her car and unload them herself and she’s 75. Maybe some of the compressed wood briquettes will be more common.

saabsaab

quinnd6 wrote: »

Not if people go mad and buy them all out.
You know how stupid Irish people are in general.
Those who can afford it go mad and buy everything out so others can't get it.
You remember what happened when everyone went mad and bought up all the bread.
People in Ireland do that kind of thing and screw things up for others

Was thinking the same myself. Better go and fill the shed before they are all gone!

highdef

NIMAN wrote: »

Oil?

And how do you propose that you burn oil in a solid fuel stove notwithstanding the amount of acrid smoke and pollution that it would cause?

dball

https://www.radiokerry.ie/kerry-td-expresses-disappointment-peat-briquettes-wont-available-2024/

NIMAN

highdef wrote: »

And how do you propose that you burn oil in a solid fuel stove notwithstanding the amount of acrid smoke and pollution that it would cause?

For the majority of people, oil will still be the main fuel to heat their homes with.

As for those with solid fuel stoves, there are other fuels. Its not like these stoves will be useless now that BNM is stopping making briquettes.

highdef

NIMAN wrote: »

For the majority of people, oil will still be the main fuel to heat their homes with.

As for those with solid fuel stoves, there are other fuels. Its not like these stoves will be useless now that BNM is stopping making briquettes.

Yeah, but you can burn briquettes in an open fire or stove so oil is not a replacement fuel for use in a solid fuel stove. In the same way that you can't burn briquettes in your liquid fuelled boiler.

saabsaab

For many older people the briquette is their main heating fuel. Light easy to store easy to buy in small quantities locally and fairly clean. Most won't have an easy alternative.

Just like the Banks getting rid of face to face contact and moving online that's the way it's going.

TheBoyConor

The gap will be filled with firewood.

MOD SNIP. NOTE: No more of that sort of insulting commentary.

The result, in 10 years time there won't be a decent sized tree left standing in a ditch anywhere in the country. Small groves and patches of wild non-plantation woodland in private ownership will be razed.

And then, what will we do when all the trees are gone?

saabsaab

TheBoyConor wrote: »

The gap will be filled with firewood.

MOD SNIP. NOTE: No more of that sort of insulting commentary.

The result, in 10 years time there won't be a decent sized tree left standing in a ditch anywhere in the country. Small groves and patches of wild non-plantation woodland in private ownership will be razed.

And then, what will we do when all the trees are gone?

MOD NOTE Stick to English or don't post again.

Banana Republic 1

saabsaab wrote: »

For many older people the briquette is their main heating fuel. Light easy to store easy to buy in small quantities locally and fairly clean. Most won't have an easy alternative.

Just like the Banks getting rid of face to face contact and moving online that's the way it's going.

Fires are nice to look at, I’ve stood around many camp and open fires but the reality 70% of the energy realised goes up the chimney. Peat and coal are a colossal waste of money.

_Brian

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Fires are nice to look at, I’ve stood around many camp and open fires but the reality 70% of the energy realised goes up the chimney. Peat and coal are a colossal waste of money.

Not in a stove.
Good stoves are 80% efficient

Del2005

_Brian wrote: »

Not in a stove.
Good stoves are 80% efficient

You can buy bags of seasoned timber. Colder countries than us manage with wood stove heating and don't dig up their bogs for the least effective fossil fuel.

mickster29

_Brian wrote: »

Not in a stove.
Good stoves are 80% efficient

The smoke coming from these stoves that are burning turf and coal is extremely bad for peoples health not to mention the environmental damage.

_Brian

Del2005 wrote: »

You can buy bags of seasoned timber. Colder countries than us manage with wood stove heating and don't dig up their bogs for the least effective fossil fuel.

Agreed.
We use mostly timber and with a bit more effort I could be 100% woods we have our own coppice to supply timber for burning.

GarIT

highdef wrote: »

And how do you propose that you burn oil in a solid fuel stove notwithstanding the amount of acrid smoke and pollution that it would cause?

The long term idea is that solid fuel stoves and fireplaces will be done away with.

Banana Republic 1

_Brian wrote: »

Not in a stove.
Good stoves are 80% efficient

Yes but open fire a far more common

saabsaab

GarIT wrote: »

The long term idea is that solid fuel stoves and fireplaces will be done away with.

Will never happen. I'd say briquettes will be imported from somewhere.

Mimon

Del2005 wrote: »

You can buy bags of seasoned timber. Colder countries than us manage with wood stove heating and don't dig up their bogs for the least effective fossil fuel.

Was just watching doc about the Okavango delta. They have peatland in Angola under threat and has huge consequences for unique ecosystem thousands of kilometres away in Botswana.

The consequences of us destroying what is a hugely important ecosystem here is huge. Definitely not worth it when we can look at alternative and more efficient ways of heating our houses.

People think bogs are a wasteland to be exploited when they are the most unique and diverse ecosytem we have.

Future generations will look back and wonder why we didn't stop decades before.

99nsr125

Imported Peat Briquettes from Poland or Brazil being worse and more polluting than our own.

You can't just abolish something without an appropriate alternative. They could have transitioned to willow wood based briquettes grown on the bogs but no, lets just make a rash decision without any forethought.


It's the same Green destruction that will happen to Dublin with the relentless war on cars. It's called the donut hole and will result in economic decline and crime in our city centres

strandroad

99nsr125 wrote: »

It's the same Green destruction that will happen to Dublin with the relentless war on cars. It's called the donut hole and will result in economic decline and crime in our city centres

Exactly as it happened in Amsterdam or Copenhagen, empty wastelands of city centres as far as the eye can see...

saabsaab

strandroad wrote: »

Exactly as it happened in Amsterdam or Copenhagen, empty wastelands of city centres as far as the eye can see...

It's already happened but nothing to do with the Greens. Why do people try to hand all problems on the Greens?

strandroad

saabsaab wrote: »

It's already happened but nothing to do with the Greens. Why do people try to hand all problems on the Greens?

You do realise that I'm being sarcastic right?
Dublin city centre problems are due to crazy rents, car priority and dereliction - the exact opposite of what is usually a Green policy.
I suppose it's not exactly a peat related topic!

Dempo1

Just curious do people actually use these as a main source of fuel, I do use 3 bales in total over a winter, mainly for lighting stove but I'd imagine using them as a main source would be horrendously expensive, even if purchased in bulk. No doubting they release good heat but dusty as hell and I'd imagine burn very quickly.

Banana Republic 1

Dempo1 wrote: »

Just curious do people actually use these as a main source of fuel, I do use 3 bales in total over a winter, mainly for lighting stove but I'd imagine using them as a main source would be horrendously expensive, even if purchased in bulk. No doubting they release good heat but dusty as hell and I'd imagine burn very quickly.

Your also breathing in NOX which is carcinogenic.

Dempo1

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Your also breathing in NOX which is carcinogenic.

Jesus I better stop burning 3 loads of turf then

mfceiling

99nsr125 wrote: »

It's the same Green destruction that will happen to Dublin with the relentless war on cars. It's called the donut hole and will result in economic decline and crime in our city centres

Yeah all those pedestrians and cyclists will be so disappointed that they're not being poisoned by vehicles.

Banana Republic 1

Dempo1 wrote: »

Jesus I better stop burning 3 loads of turf then

Yes

saabsaab

Dempo1 wrote: »

Just curious do people actually use these as a main source of fuel, I do use 3 bales in total over a winter, mainly for lighting stove but I'd imagine using them as a main source would be horrendously expensive, even if purchased in bulk. No doubting they release good heat but dusty as hell and I'd imagine burn very quickly.

Many older people do.

Welding Rod

Always burn about forty bales of briquettes over the winter. Also turf with I buy a small lorry load of every second year and a few bags of stove coal for the really cold nights.
I saw an artic of briquettes on pallets turning into Kerry store this morning. Shrink wrapped. Must get a price for a pallet. They are only going one way on price from now in, and that’s up fairly sharply I’d say.

saabsaab

Welding Rod wrote: »

Always burn about forty bales of briquettes over the winter. Also turf with I buy a small lorry load of every second year and a few bags of stove coal for the really cold nights.
I saw an artic of briquettes on pallets turning into Kerry store this morning. Shrink wrapped. Must get a price for a pallet. They are only going one way on price from now in, and that’s up fairly sharply I’d say.

Aye. Got a bale of German? briquettes recently not a patch of BnaM. Dirty to handle hard to light and less flame.

Jay Dee

What about the rest of them ?

kaizer13

Burning of any material, solid, liquid or gas for home heating is unsustainable, primitive and damaging to health and to the environment.

saabsaab

kaizer13 wrote: »

Burning of any material, solid, liquid or gas for home heating is unsustainable, primitive and damaging to health and to the environment.

No argument but what of those stuck with what they have and no money for significant change i.e. pensioners in old houses.