Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Headshot

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It’s a load of waffle and a bit of lying.

Funny Trump is actually right in one part when ranting on Mitch

""He will never do what needs to be done, or what is right for our Country"

never a truer word from Trump

Mitch has so much blame laid at his feet for what Trump has done to the GOP and the country

EltonJohn69

Looking a lot like trump is going to cause a civil war in the Republican Party

Water John

That Trump attack on McConnell reads like it was written by Jason Millar.

PropJoe10

Water John wrote: »

That Trump attack on McConnell reads like it was written by Jason Millar.

You can be sure that it wasn't written by Donnie, that's for sure. Civil war in the GOP ensues.

duploelabs

Rudi is no longer representing trump

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/16/politics/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump/index.html

Headshot

Hopefully they destroy each other

Cody montana

Headshot wrote: »

Hopefully they destroy each other

And we get loads of free entertainment.

Brian?

Headshot wrote: »

Funny Trump is actually right in one part when ranting on Mitch

""He will never do what needs to be done, or what is right for our Country"

never a truer word from Trump

Mitch has so much blame laid at his feet for what Trump has done to the GOP and the country

Any links to this to this rant?

Headshot

Brian? wrote: »

Any links to this to this rant?

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/16/politics/trump-mcconnell/index.html

aloyisious

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Poor Mitch.... Trump is not happy

It's beginning to look like L Graham is sticking with Trump with a probable eye for Mitch's Senate minority leader position (if he can rely on Trump to support him 100% along the road). Trump might be playing a long game here of playing Cruz off against Graham.

Headshot

It’s obvious he didn’t write it himself

I doubt trump knows what dour and sullen mean

Water John

Headshot wrote: »

It’s obvious he didn’t write it himself

I doubt trump knows what dour and sullen mean

Well he'd know, if he ever looks in the mirror.

Headshot

Headshot wrote: »

Funny Trump is actually right in one part when ranting on Mitch

""He will never do what needs to be done, or what is right for our Country"

never a truer word from Trump

Mitch has so much blame laid at his feet for what Trump has done to the GOP and the country

Ironically it's true in both cases, trump land and reality, because when saying this trump only meant that he didn't do enough to overturn the election.

Nody

aloyisious wrote: »

It's beginning to look like L Graham is sticking with Trump with a probable eye for Mitch's Senate minority leader position (if he can rely on Trump to support him 100% along the road). Trump might be playing a long game here of playing Cruz off against Graham.

Trump's long game is about 5s ahead if he's having a good day; he's simply happy to have a sycophant and will throw either or both under the bus when it gains him 1c in profit.

PropJoe10

aloyisious wrote: »

It's beginning to look like L Graham is sticking with Trump with a probable eye for Mitch's Senate minority leader position (if he can rely on Trump to support him 100% along the road). Trump might be playing a long game here of playing Cruz off against Graham.

Lindsey Graham's devotion is the closest Trump will ever get to having a pet. It's pathetic to see.

duploelabs

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Lindsey Graham's devotion is the closest Trump will ever get to having a pet. It's pathetic to see.

Seems a fallacy to say Trump was the only president in the white house to not have a pet

pixelburp

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Lindsey Graham's devotion is the closest Trump will ever get to having a pet. It's pathetic to see.

"Craven" seems the only and best way to describe Graham, and Cruz as well. I have often wondered how Cruz's wife reconciles his devotion to Trump, having never come to her defence when Trump insulted her.

In fact, to completely appropriate the language of the alt-right ... they're cucks. They really are when you think about it. Spineless and without an ounce of self-respect, they have latched themselves to Trump out of pathetic self-preservation.

Lindsey Graham is _that_ guy in the bully's gang: the remora who himself has neither spine nor swagger, but has sycophantically positioned himself within the slipstream of the bully's wake. He has no power himself, never part of the actual fight as such, and still gets pushed around by the bully; but to the Lindsey Graham's it's better to be inside the tent píssing out, than outside.

EltonJohn69

It’s actually mad that Biden, Cruze, Ghrame are the best either party have.
The field is open for someone young and charismatic, and a good to great head of hair .

Brussels Sprout

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

It’s actually mad that Biden, Cruze, Ghrame are the best either party have.
The field is open for someone young and charismatic, and a good to great head of hair .

I don't think anyone thinks that Cruz and Graham are the best that the Republicans have. Like most Republican Senators they get elected from states where it's practically impossible for a Republican to lose a Senate campaign. The fact that Cruz nearly did 2 years ago just shows you how poor of a candidate he is. His stock has been plummeting for years. As for Graham - he's a pity of a man. I cannot do better than this description of him by Steve Schmidt:

"The way to understand him is to look at what's consistent. And essentially what he is in American politics is what, in the aquatic world, would be a pilot fish: a smaller fish that hovers around a larger predator, like a shark, living off of its detritus. That's Lindsey. And when he swam around the McCain shark, broadly viewed as a virtuous and good shark, Lindsey took on the patina of virtue. But wherever the apex shark is, you find the Lindsey fish hovering about, and Trump is the newest shark in the sea. Lindsey has a real draw to power — but he's found it unattainable on his own merits."

I'd imagine if you got the National Approval/Disproval numbers of every GOP senator that Cruz, Graham and McConnell would be in the bottom 3 - and maybe Josh Hawley after the events of the 6th January.

Toeuptony

Headshot wrote: »

It’s obvious he didn’t write it himself

I doubt trump knows what dour and sullen mean

He'd have a fair idea when he looks in the mirror.

Edit: Water John got there before me.

aloyisious

A question for the U.S residents mostly but open to others as well: was it chance or choice that Joe Biden and CNN chose Wisconsin for their Q&A televised townhall meeting or did the fact that Senator Ron Johnson [R] is one of the hardline Trump supporters in the senate have a bearing on the location? Did Joe deliberately take [as it were] the fight for the minds and hearts of his spending policy, the economy and Covid-19 to Ron Johnson's backyard to turn needy GOP voters towards a fresh mind when it come to their voting?

Water John

Don't think anything like that if left to chance. Strategy team would plan these things.

Headshot

I see Trump supporter Rush Limbaugh has died

I dont like speaking ill of the dead but I don't foresee alot of people mourning his death anyway

StringerBell

A despicable human being in life, presumably he will be missed by his family and those close to him. Leaves a massive gap as a raging conservative firebrand for trump to step into now in his retirement.

Water John

His death gave Trump an opening to go on Fox News and whinge about 'the stolen election'. That's the footnote he means to Trump.

looksee

America could solve a lot of its problems by having a version of the Press Council - or maybe they did and it got lost along the way? Anyway if they could curb the insidious promotion of rubbish news, vitriol, lies and spite they would get on a lot better.

Infini

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Looking a lot like trump is going to cause a civil war in the Republican Party

Honestly, GOOD. If they fracture its because they built their house on sand made of idiocy, corruption, greed, lies and deceit. Would be Karma if the price of their betrayal of standards to utter self interest were to kneecap them politically for the next decade.

Tell me how

looksee wrote: »

America could solve a lot of its problems by having a version of the Press Council - or maybe they did and it got lost along the way? Anyway if they could curb the insidious promotion of rubbish news, vitriol, lies and spite they would get on a lot better.

They had the Fairness Doctrine which was abandoned during the Reagen Administration.

Link (Bold mine for emphasis)

The fairness doctrine of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, was a policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was honest, equitable, and balanced. The FCC eliminated the policy in 1987 and removed the rule that implemented the policy from the Federal Register in August 2011

looksee

Tell me how wrote: »

They had the Fairness Doctrine which was abandoned during the Reagen Administration.

Link (Bold mine for emphasis)

Yes, I had a notion in the back of my mind that something of that had happened, but I could not figure how to search for it. Reagan really set it up for Trump's campaign of disinformation.

Brian?

looksee wrote: »

Yes, I had a notion in the back of my mind that something of that had happened, but I could not figure how to search for it. Reagan really set it up for Trump's campaign of disinformation.

Wasn't it dropped because it only applied to network news and not cable news?

Quin_Dub

Brian? wrote: »

Wasn't it dropped because it only applied to network news and not cable news?

It was part of the wider "Deregulation" process that Reagan started.

Rather than close the loop-hole created by the emergence of Cable/Satellite channels they simply removed the rules completely.

Brian?

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It was part of the wider "Deregulation" process that Reagan started.

Rather than close the loop-hole created by the emergence of Cable/Satellite channels they simply removed the rules completely.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Rather than being in new regulations on cable/satellite channels they scrapped the ones on network news.

Interestingly they didn't do the same for entertainment. Imagine HBO if they had to stick to the same rules as NBC? It would be awful.

I know why the deviation occurred obviously. Rich donors.

Gbear

I think it's difficult to gauge how big a factor right wing propaganda is in the US and the UK on its own.

I'm not convinced you'd have as much of an impact if the far right machine didn't have such a powerful platform where they could turn the conservative pluarlity of voters into consistent minority-rule governments.

There would still likely be cross-party anti-worker propaganda, for example, but I don't know that it would be as lucrative or that there would be as strong a return on investment if the current Republican platform never get within an ass's roar of power because progressive or centrist coalitions kept them out.

Quin_Dub

Gbear wrote: »

I think it's difficult to gauge how big a factor right wing propaganda is in the US and the UK on its own.

I'm not convinced you'd have as much of an impact if the far right machine didn't have such a powerful platform where they could turn the conservative pluarlity of voters into consistent minority-rule governments.

There would still likely be cross-party anti-worker propaganda, for example, but I don't know that it would be as lucrative or that there would be as strong a return on investment if the current Republican platform never get within an ass's roar of power because progressive or centrist coalitions kept them out.

It's a bi-directional scenario in terms of power & influence.

It's no coincidence that the places that have these kinds of political parties in power are those in FPTP voting systems with largely binary electoral choices available.

Extremism of any form survives only when compromise is unnecessary.

When political movements know that they have to appeal to an actual majority of voters and not just a plurality and that they will require the support of other groups to form Governments or pass legislation etc. then their more extreme tendencies wither and die as they are incompatible with actual power and influence in that scenario.

The Media supporting that extremism only exists because the extremism has a chance at power.

Brussels Sprout

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It's no coincidence that the places that have these kinds of political parties in power are those in FPTP voting systems with largely binary electoral choices available.

The exception to this is Australia, which is dominated by Murdoch press and elects a lot of hard-right types despite using instant run-off (you have to get to 50% via your votes + transfers) in the lower house and a form of PR-STV in the upper house.

If they had FPTP it would probably be as dysfunctional as the USA is now.

Muahahaha

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The exception to this is Australia, which is dominated by Murdoch press and elects a lot of hard-right types despite using instant run-off (you have to get to 50% via your votes + transfers) in the lower house and a form of PR-STV in the upper house.

If they had FPTP it would probably be as dysfunctional as the USA is now.

Was just talking to an Australian friend yesterday who was telling me Murdoch controls almost 70% of all the main media outlets down there. It was in the context of a current political scandal down there where a young female staffer for the Liberal Party (who are actually the Conservative Party despite the name) got raped in Parliament by another Liberal Party staffer and it was covered up with her being told if she went to the police it would be the end of her career. .

The Aussie Prime Minister Scotty from Marketing' is denying all knowledge of the cover up and the Murdoch media are trying their best to either ignore the story or throw shade on the victim. He was saying the power and influence the Murdoch media wields is astonishing when political scandals come along that might affect the party the Murdochs have backed. They all act in tandem with the 'nothing to see here' line and when that doesnt work they move on to the 'well its not that big of a deal' line.

Anyway on Trump and the media I think his two page statement on Mitch is the first bit of real world evidence on how badly he is going to miss Twitter. Had he been able to just tweet out 'Mitch is a dour, sullen, unsmiling political hack' the reaction would have been far bigger than what it has been. There would have been comments on the tweet and retweets and it would have spread like wildfire online. Two page statements from him once every few weeks dont suit his followers at all compared to him tweeting short snaps several times a day. He really is completely nobbled without Twitter. It was the tool in his toolbox for bypassing all the legacy media but now without it his only avenue of communication is to issue press releases to the mainstream media, the very same media he has often labelled as fake news.

Tell me how

Muahahaha wrote: »

Anyway on Trump and the media I think his two page statement on Mitch is the first bit of real world evidence on how badly he is going to miss Twitter. Had he been able to just tweet out 'Mitch is a dour, sullen, unsmiling political hack' the reaction would have been far bigger than what it has been. There would have been comments on the tweet and retweets and it would have spread like wildfire online. Two page statements from him once every few weeks dont suit his followers at all compared to him tweeting short snaps several times a day. He really is completely nobbled without Twitter. It was the tool in his toolbox for bypassing all the legacy media but now without it his only avenue of communication is to issue press releases to the mainstream media, the very same media he has often labelled as fake news.

I've been thinking about this and reckon there is probably a lo more going on behind the scenes that has yet to be revealed.

I agree that he must be finding it frustrating to have had Twitter removed from him but I am curious how he has not sought to gain a platform elsewhere to this point. He hasn't appeared on a friendly TV or radio show. When he was President, he used to call in to Fox News, and granted his relationship with them soured, but he hasn't appeared elsewhere.

Is he plotting? Is he still so consumed with rage that no one will risk being sued for what he might say if he appears? Has he lost interest?

Itssoeasy

Seeing this is the Donald trump and he was known for doing and saying stupid things during his time in office.

Did anyone see the cut of Ted Cruz and his explanation about his cancun trip ? So he’s left the state of Texas during a time when the state is freezing and lots of its people have no power or heat. He released a statement saying he had planned to return straight away but nbc news is reporting he changed his flight to return today. Why did he need to charge his flight if as he says it was his plan to return straight away. Caught by the bollocks as they say.

looksee

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Seeing this is the Donald trump and he was known for doing and saying stupid things during his time in office.

Did anyone see the cut of Ted Cruz and his explanation about his cancun trip ? So he’s left the state of Texas during a time when the state is freezing and lots of its people have no power or heat. He released a statement saying he had planned to return straight away but nbc news is reporting he changed his flight to return today. Why did he need to charge his flight if as he says it was his plan to return straight away. Caught by the bollocks as they say.

We were just discussing that at home, and there is a pandemic on. You remember the pandemic, just because its freezing doesn't mean its gone away.

Billy Mays

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Seeing this is the Donald trump and he was known for doing and saying stupid things during his time in office.

Did anyone see the cut of Ted Cruz and his explanation about his cancun trip ? So he’s left the state of Texas during a time when the state is freezing and lots of its people have no power or heat. He released a statement saying he had planned to return straight away but nbc news is reporting he changed his flight to return today. Why did he need to charge his flight if as he says it was his plan to return straight away. Caught by the bollocks as they say.

For someone who was only going away for one night he took quite a large bag :rolleyes:

y0ssar1an22

Billy Mays wrote: »

For someone who was only going away for one night he took quite a large bag :rolleyes:

ah ted. you gotta question the stupidity of these politicians. no matter where they are from, or what their affiliation; it seems silly decisions are never too far away.

Billy Mays

Only changed his flight at 6am this morning awell ��

StringerBell

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

ah ted. you gotta question the stupidity of these politicians. no matter where they are from, or what their affiliation; it seems silly decisions are never too far away.

When you have no fear of consequences you live a charmed life.

Itssoeasy

Ah lads I won’t post the tweet but your man denesh whatshisname who was pardoned by trump tried to make an argument that Ted Cruz going to cancun was a good thing because it freed up resources to help the people of Texas. The level of ****e the right come up is something to admire in a weird way.

pixelburp

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

ah ted. you gotta question the stupidity of these politicians. no matter where they are from, or what their affiliation; it seems silly decisions are never too far away.

Ted Cruz occupies an incredibly safe seat, has no term limits to worry about, this is the system working as designed, the result of an inherently broken electorial system. No more than those safe seats you read of in the UK. Once more its a neat reminder that as wonky as our own political class can be, our actual PR system doesn't generally allow for safe seats to the same degree IMO. Yes, you got the Healy Rae's as a for instance but it's nowhere near as endemic as the US.

banie01

Cruz blamed his kids!
Said he was only trying to be a "good dad".
Was he being a good dad when he had his staffers request police assistance for his trip thru Houston airport?
Taking emergency response away from the biggest natural disaster to hit Texas in recent times?

Then he takes his dad duties so seriously that in his scramble to save face and get back to the states...
He blames his daughters.

Classy.

y0ssar1an22

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Ah lads I won’t post the tweet but your man denesh whatshisname who was pardoned by trump tried to make an argument that Ted Cruz going to cancun was a good thing because it freed up resources to help the people of Texas. The level of ****e the right come up is something to admire in a weird way.

what about nanci?

JohnFalstaff

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

what about nanci?

That's just whataboutery.

banie01

pixelburp wrote: »

Ted Cruz occupies an incredibly safe seat, has no term limits to worry about, this is the system working as designed, the result of an inherently broken electorial.

Given the steady increase in Dem votes in Texas and Cruz's piss poor performance in his last election that seat really is not as safe as it traditionally would seem.

On November 6, 2018, Cruz defeated O'Rourke 50.9%–48.3%.
That was Cruz running against a "pinko liberal" when Cruz wasn't carrying the stain of insurrection or what any half competent campaign manager will spin as cowardice with his "running away" from troubles in Texas and his desertion of his constituents.

Cruz is barring an electoral miracle approaching the end of his senatorial tenure IMO.

Muahahaha

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Ah lads I won’t post the tweet but your man denesh whatshisname who was pardoned by trump tried to make an argument that Ted Cruz going to cancun was a good thing because it freed up resources to help the people of Texas. The level of ****e the right come up is something to admire in a weird way.

Maybe Ted has gone down to Cancun to ask Mexicans for donations to pay for the wall

He really is some twat, imagine being off on holidays when 12 million people in your state are without water or electricity. And he did this knowing full well the snow and storms that were on the way.