Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Billy Mays

Lyin' Ted

https://twitter.com/DeanObeidallah/status/1362520418490408970?s=20

Tell me how

Ted just torched any chances of running in 2024 with his actions this week.
No way he'll get through a Republican Primary, which he was probably going to be approaching with at least 2 people in front of him as favourites anyway to then be able to talk about commitment to issues, understanding the common mans struggle etc etc with what he did here. Not that that last point was something the last Republican primary winner was able to say with any authority either.

Pence and Haley are rubbing their hands tonight. And not just to keep warm, like Ted is doing.

y0ssar1an22

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

That's just whataboutery.

jeny mac. the definition of

the good thing is, politicians in the US are held to the same standard so whataboutery never comes into play.

Muahahaha

Tell me how wrote: »

Ted just torched any chances of running in 2024 with his actions this week.
No way he'll get through a Republican Primary, which he was probably going to be approaching with at least 2 people in front of him as favourites anyway to then be able to talk about commitment to issues, understanding the common mans struggle etc etc with what he did here. Not that that last point was something the last Republican primary winner was able to say with any authority either.

Pence and Haley are rubbing their hands tonight. And not just to keep warm, like Ted is doing.

I think the real dark horse for 2024 is Mike Pompeo. His CV fits the role perfectly, he is a former army captain, former congressman, former head of the CIA and now a former Secretary of State. Plus he is the closest personality type the Reps have got to Trump (ie he is belligerent and ignornant in equal measure) and he would likely get Trumps endorsement, definitely ahead of Cruz, Pence and Nikki Haley anyway.

Pompeo definitely wants to run too if he can, there were reports that his courting of the Israelis was specifically designed to appeal to the Evangelist vote that Pence would hope to tap into. He was already lining his ducks up on a wall while he was Secretary of State. He's fiercely anti-Chyna too which ticks yet another box. And just like Trump he is an absolute bruiser when it comes to partisan politics.

For these reasons I backed him last week. I normally wouldnt tie up money for almost four years but Pompeos odds of 40/1 were just way too hard to resist. I think the bookies are away with the fairies putting his chances at 40/1 and his real value is more like 10/1 or 12/1. If he does run he can appeal to the Trumpists, the evangelists and the moderates of the Republican Party and he would be a formidable opponent for the presumptive Dem nominee Kamala Harris.

EltonJohn69

Tell me how wrote: »

Ted just torched any chances of running in 2024 with his actions this week.
No way he'll get through a Republican Primary, which he was probably going to be approaching with at least 2 people in front of him as favourites anyway to then be able to talk about commitment to issues, understanding the common mans struggle etc etc with what he did here. Not that that last point was something the last Republican primary winner was able to say with any authority either.

Pence and Haley are rubbing their hands tonight. And not just to keep warm, like Ted is doing.

I thought Teds beard would lock up the common man vote ?

Tell me how

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think the real dark horse for 2024 is Mike Pompeo. His CV fits the role perfectly, he is a former army captain, former congressman, former head of the CIA and now a former Secretary of State. Plus he is the closest personality type the Reps have got to Trump (ie he is belligerent and ignornant in equal measure) and he would likely get Trumps endorsement, definitely ahead of Cruz, Pence and Nikki Haley anyway.

Pompeo definitely wants to run too if he can, there were reports that his courting of the Israelis was specifically designed to appeal to the Evangelist vote that Pence would hope to tap into. He was already lining his ducks up on a wall while he was Secretary of State. He's fiercely anti-Chyna too which ticks yet another box. And just like Trump he is an absolute bruiser when it comes to partisan politics.

For these reasons I backed him last week. I normally wouldnt tie up money for almost four years but Pompeos odds of 40/1 were just way too hard to resist. I think the bookies are away with the fairies putting his chances at 40/1 and his real value is more like 10/1 or 12/1. If he does run he can appeal to the Trumpists, the evangelists and the moderates of the Republican Party and he would be a formidable opponent for the presumptive Dem nominee Kamala Harris.

Can't see him having the persona to attract voters. Think he would be a marketing nightmare but if America was in a time of conflict in 2024, then he might very well appeal through being the tough no nonsense type. 40/1 was probably a good bet to take, but I think they were fair odds at the same time.

I've strongly suggested Haley before but I think Pence will also be a strong contender. Trump might have done him a favour because Pence can both appeal to Trump fans by saying 'I believed in him for so long' but the constitution is more important and to have the Democrats say that his behaviour on the 6th was patriotic could come back to haunt them if they are competing against him.

Muahahaha

Time will tell but I think Pompeos forceful personality is a perfect replacement for Trump and he is as close as the Reps can get to a candidate that will have the backing of Trumpists. Pence is a charisma free zone and I see Haley as too much part of the Washington establishment to appeal to the Trump wing.

If he runs and it comes to the primaries I could see someone like Pompeo steamrolling the likes of Ted Cruz in the exact same way that Trump did, it would be pure bloodsports with Pompeo shouting everyone down. Theres lots of other factors to consider like his ability to fundraise but he has deep links with the military and aerospace industry (he used to own an aircraft parts company with the Kochs) so he will likely have the support of the military industrial complex, he'll probably even promise them a war if he gets elected.

Pompeo would lose handily to any Democrat. I don't think the 40/1 odds are off by any measure. In my opinion anyone looking to style themselves after Trump will doom their campaign. To win you need moderates on your side and being Trump's lapdog without having the cult of personality he has or the decades long brand he built, will turn moderates off in their droves. I think if the GOP chase the Trump hardliners they'll fall off a cliff. In roughly the same way that Corbyn chased the left wing part of Labour so hard he lost the middle who didn't bother to turn up or actively voted against him out of spite.

Trump voters are going to vote Republican not matter who it is. They will turn out because their hatred for the democrats far outweighs their hatred for the establishment. The GOP need to get the middle ground back not only to tempt moderates to vote but to try and neuter the Democrat voter turnout. The more boring a candidate the GOP run the less likely moderate leaning Dems will even turn up to vote. They need to stop appealing to hardline Alabama voters and start appealing to the suburban Texan voter, which they are losing.

Texas has been steadily narrowing for the past 2 decades and brash Trumpist like behaviour has only accelerated that.

Bush won in 04 with 61%
Mccain won in 08 with 55.5%
Romney won in 12 with 57%
Trump won in 16 with only 52%
He also won in 16 with 52% but the Dems voter turnout skyrocketed by 1.4 million votes, but Trump only added 1.2 million

If the Republicans go with Pompeo, a Trump like candidate, those 1.4 million extra votes for the democrats WILL turn up to vote. They will fight tooth and nail to vote against any Trump like clone. The question is would Pompeo be able to add the 1.2 million that Trump did? The answer is absolutely not. The man hasn't a hope of adding half of that to the traditional base vote. Californians are migrating to Texas at a rapid rate and they lean heavily democrat and even their Republicans are socially liberal by and large. Same with Arizona which is second on the list for Californian migration.

Arizona used to be a deep red state even as early as 10 years ago but now the latino vote is dead set against Republicans for their overt appeal to racial bigotry and with Pompeo paying tribute to Limbaugh in a warm tone this week, that wouldn't sit well with latinos in AZ considering the praise Limbaugh used to give Joe Arpaio for locking them up. Latinos are the fastest growing demographic in the US and in quite a few of these swing states like Arizona, Nevada and even now, Texas. The Republicans would be mad to pick Pompeo to run in 2024. No latino is going to look at him and his time in Trump's white house and his friendship with Limbaugh and think "that's a man who has my interests at heart".

Brussels Sprout

Muahahaha wrote: »

Time will tell but I think Pompeos forceful personality is a perfect replacement for Trump and he is as close as the Reps can get to a candidate that will have the backing of Trumpists. Pence is a charisma free zone and I see Haley as too much part of the Washington establishment to appeal to the Trump wing.

If he runs and it comes to the primaries I could see someone like Pompeo steamrolling the likes of Ted Cruz in the exact same way that Trump did, it would be pure bloodsports with Pompeo shouting everyone down. Theres lots of other factors to consider like his ability to fundraise but he has deep links with the military and aerospace industry (he used to own an aircraft parts company with the Kochs) so he will likely have the support of the military industrial complex, he'll probably even promise them a war if he gets elected.

The thing about Trump is that he had a mix of different attributes that when put together just seemed to work for him in attracting the MAGA base. Pompeo certainly has some of these attributes. He's a loud bully who loves nothing more than goading "the libs". The thing is though that he is entirely charmless and only seems to have a single mode.

Like Trump has these odd moments where he would, out of the blue, speak entirely candidly about his plans or his thoughts and the crowds loved that because they recognised that it was real. Mike Pompeo does not possess that ability. He would never announce aloud his inner scheming and as a result he comes across as another calculating politician, albeit an extremely belligerent one.

On the flip side to those moments of earnestness, Trump was also able to get away with saying outrageous stuff at times because people chose not to believe him or at least give him a pass because they saw it as a piece of performance art - like he was a showman. He was also incredibly camp. Like using "Macho Man" as his walkout tune - come on! In contrast, Mike Pompeo would just scare the sh1t out of people if he said some of those things.

expectationlost

what is the position of senators in the US, would it be like a opposition senator here going off on holidays, looks terrible, but he doesn't really have any power to actually do anything for the situation particularly because its Texas.

StringerBell

Pompeo has the charisma of a paper bag, not a hope he gets through the primary never mind win a general

Rjd2

expectationlost wrote: »

what is the position of senators in the US, would it be like a opposition senator here going off on holidays, looks terrible, but he doesn't really have any power to actually do anything for the situation particularly because its Texas.

He is a senator so has plenty of power and could at least fundraise or the very least be on the ground doing something like Beto is.

If he was a private citizen with money then yeah I'd totally understand why he'd get out of dodge, but as such a prominent politician who will run in 2024 coming of so badly from the storming of the capital then its an unbelievably stupid error.

Some on the right have argued that the media are going over the top with it, but Cruz spends his days on twitter doing stupid culture wars with the press and has criticised others for fleeing when **** hits the fan.


He criticised Newsom for breaking his own restrictions, what the **** did he think was going to happen this week?

StringerBell wrote: »

Pompeo has the charisma of a paper bag, not a hope he gets through the primary never mind win a general

Agreed.

No need to discuss for the 232475th time here how dire Trump was, but an undeniable fact he has so much charisma. Their is a reason why he was engrained in pop culture for so long before he ran as a president.

No Trumper is going to travel Pompeo speak.

SNIP. No gambling here please.

Tell me how

expectationlost wrote: »

what is the position of senators in the US, would it be like a opposition senator here going off on holidays, looks terrible, but he doesn't really have any power to actually do anything for the situation particularly because its Texas.

Well, Beto O'Rourke coordinated thousands of welfare calls throughout the week and AOC did a charity drive which I think has raised over $2M in donations in 24 hours.

Ted could have done something like this, or he could have liased and chased up on federal support services given he is a US senator. But he didn't. He made an unnecessary journey during a pandemic, in order to avoid dealing with or helping with the issues and he through his kids under the bus to try to get away with it.

Itssoeasy

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1369071/download

More legal indictments following on from the January 6th riot at the capitol and some very interesting text and Facebook messages included within it from the seven people charged. It’s clear that the trump defence that his words didn’t incite the crowd are rubbish because if you read the document, on December 22nd it’s clear they believe trump is calling them to cause trouble on January 6th. Well it’s nine people but I think several of them have already been charged and these are new charges with a couple of new names. There are also redacted names of people they were in communication with prior to the January 6th event.

expectationlost

Tell me how wrote: »

Well, Beto O'Rourke coordinated thousands of welfare calls throughout the week and AOC did a charity drive which I think has raised over $2M in donations in 24 hours.

Ted could have done something like this, or he could have liased and chased up on federal support services given he is a US senator. But he didn't. He made an unnecessary journey during a pandemic, in order to avoid dealing with or helping with the issues and he through his kids under the bus to try to get away with it.

beta o'rouke isn't a serving politician, and AOC is in congress so, neither are relevant to my question about the powers and influence of a senator.

expectationlost

Rjd2 wrote: »

He is a senator so has plenty of power and could at least fundraise or the very least be on the ground doing something like Beto is.

is it the job of senator to fundraise?

Itssoeasy

Trump said It's gonna be wild!!!!!!! It's gonna be wild!!!!!!! He wants us to make it WILD that's what he's saying. He called us all to the Capitol and wants us tomakeitwild!!! SirYesSir!!! Gentlemen we are heading to DC pack your ****!!"
b. "Nice, we will have at least 50-100 OK3 there."

One Facebook message from December 22nd, 2020 which is 16 days before the riot on January 6th. Point is the events on that day weren’t just a spur of the moment thing and this person certainly believes what they are doing is for and at the direction of former president trump.

expectationlost

expectationlost wrote: »

is it the job of senator to fundraise?

Hasn't stopped him in the past

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Ted-Cruz-explains-fundraising-text-sent-during-15854497.php

y0ssar1an22

i think cruz told lies.

he has said 2 things....i was flying my kids and friends down. to be a good dad and all that.

but then he also said he changed his flights and retuned immediately.

if you had to change your flights you were not just escorting a group down there. your return flight should have been asap, so no need to change it.

also, who chaperones kids on a flight, but then lets them off on their own in the destination? surely if the flight requires supervision, the holiday in another country does as well?

Tell me how

expectationlost wrote: »

beta o'rouke isn't a serving politician, and AOC is in congress so, neither are relevant to my question about the powers and influence of a senator.

I gave you an answer within my post relevant to that but it's telling that you are discounting the significant work done by people interested in helping in order to absolve Cruz for focusing on his own personal desires.

expectationlost

DubInMeath wrote: »

Hasn't stopped him in the past

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Ted-Cruz-explains-fundraising-text-sent-during-15854497.php

Rjd2 clearly didn't mean Cruz should fundraise for himself?

expectationlost

Tell me how wrote: »

I gave you an answer within my post relevant to that but it's telling that you are discounting the significant work done by people interested in helping in order to absolve Cruz for focusing on his own personal desires.

I was asking what the powers and influence of a US Senator is not a private citizen or a congresswoman.

Tell me how

expectationlost wrote: »

I was asking what the powers and influence of a US Senator is not a private citizen or a congresswoman.

And you got an answer relating to that.

expectationlost

Tell me how wrote: »

And you got an answer relating to that.

no I havn't

Tell me how

expectationlost wrote: »

no I havn't

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Tell me how wrote: »

Well, Beto O'Rourke coordinated thousands of welfare calls throughout the week and AOC did a charity drive which I think has raised over $2M in donations in 24 hours.

Ted could have done something like this, or he could have liased and chased up on federal support services given he is a US senator. But he didn't. He made an unnecessary journey during a pandemic, in order to avoid dealing with or helping with the issues and he through his kids under the bus to try to get away with it.

Water John

Judge Lina Hidalgo, Harris County, chased both the Governor and the WH to get the disaster status and got it. Maybe Cruz couldn't ask Biden for help, or want to?

Detritus70

expectationlost wrote: »

no I havn't

You're just tying up a discussion that is not going your way in irrelevant details.
The issue here is, should Ted Cruz fcuk off to Cancun whilst there is a national emergency in Texas?
Even Trump deigned to show up in Puerto Rico and throw a few paper towels at people.
I mean, it's Cruz, we're not expecting much, just him being seen to be doing something.
If you like politicians that piss on you when the going gets tough, but most normal people prefer someone to even pretend to care.
That is the point which you managed to dodge.

expectationlost

expectationlost wrote: »

Rjd2 clearly didn't mean Cruz should fundraise for himself?

Except he wasn't fundraising for himself in the item linked to in the article. He was fundraising for trump to try and delay the certification of the election results. Something that was a waste of time and money given the numerous court cases heard before hand and the recounts etc.

Given part of his responsibilities as a senator is to represent the interests of the population of his state, he could have spent the same time and effort following up with federal agencies etc and yes fundraising for the people of his state who were affected by the storm.

Detritus70

DubInMeath wrote: »

Except he wasn't fundraising for himself in the item linked to in the article. He was fundraising for trump to try and delay the certification of the election results. Something that was a waste of time and money given the numerous court cases heard before hand and the recounts etc.

Given part of his responsibilities as a senator is to represent the interests of the population of his state, he could have spent the same time and effort following up with federal agencies etc and yes fundraising for the people of his state who were affected by the storm.

I suppose this point will be incomprehensible to someone who subscribes to republican "screw you, I got mine" ideals.

Itssoeasy

I see that the Manhattan DA has hired a big time white collar crime lawyer as part of the investigation into the trump family and their business dealings. From the bits I’ve read this guy is playing senior hurling and doesn’t mess about.

Professor Moriarty

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I see that the Manhattan DA has hired a big time white collar crime lawyer as part of the investigation into the trump family and their business dealings. From the bits I’ve read this guy is playing senior hurling and doesn’t mess about.

Excellent.

Itssoeasy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Excellent.

Well you know it’ll make it interesting. This guy was involved in putting John gotti behind bars which kind of shows his pedigree. And if the trump organisation legal representation is anything like Donald trumps political legal team then this could be like Kilkenny playing Cavan in hurling.

Edit: the guys name is Mark Pomerantz btw.

Muahahaha

Deleted User wrote: »

Pompeo would lose handily to any Democrat. I don't think the 40/1 odds are off by any measure. In my opinion anyone looking to style themselves after Trump will doom their campaign. To win you need moderates on your side and being Trump's lapdog without having the cult of personality he has or the decades long brand he built, will turn moderates off in their droves. I think if the GOP chase the Trump hardliners they'll fall off a cliff. In roughly the same way that Corbyn chased the left wing part of Labour so hard he lost the middle who didn't bother to turn up or actively voted against him out of spite.
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I think the opposite simply because of the events of last week during the Impeachment trial in the Senate. Mitch and the Reps had their chance to consign Trumpism to the bin. He didnt so therefore Trump is now the kingmaker for the 2024 race. We now know that 43 of 50 Republican Senators are under his control, be that through fear or love of Trump, it varies within the Republican Party. The Reps are in a complete catch 22 now, they cant live with Trump and they cant live without him.

Pompeo for me is literally Trump-lite. He is not Trump but that doessnt matter because no one is. But he can tick loads of important boxes ranging from the military to the evangelicals. Hes a former Head of the CIA too just like Bush was.

In any case what I said is all relative. The bookies currently have Pompeo at 40/1 which means they give him a 2.5% chance of being the next US President.Id give him a far better chance of that. To illustrate how out of whack their odds are they have Tucker Carlson, Michelle Obama and Oprah Winfrey all priced at a much better chance than Pompeo. None of those three are going to run whereas theres a decent chance Pompeo will. And of the likely Republican candidates Pompeo is most likely to get the endorsement from Trump. Nikki Haley tried to go down to Mar a Lago to kiss Trumps ring and he ignored her calls, Pence is a traitor and Ted Cruz a running joke. Pompeo has always been loyal to Trump which is the quality he admires the most.

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The thing about Trump is that he had a mix of different attributes that when put together just seemed to work for him in attracting the MAGA base. Pompeo certainly has some of these attributes. He's a loud bully who loves nothing more than goading "the libs". The thing is though that he is entirely charmless and only seems to have a single mode.

Yeah his bully boy schtick is very similar to Trump and he loves 'owning the libs' which is base building on that side of the divide. He is never going to be Trump but he can appeal to that side of the party as well as moderate Reps. Time wlll tell if he runs or not but I do think he wants to. If Eric and Jnr stay out of it then Pompeo will see his chance to be the Trump candidate.

Water John

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I see that the Manhattan DA has hired a big time white collar crime lawyer as part of the investigation into the trump family and their business dealings. From the bits I’ve read this guy is playing senior hurling and doesn’t mess about.

The Trump team will be flummoxed when you say ' welcome to senior hurling now lads'. The real joke is Biden will know.

Itssoeasy

Water John wrote: »

The Trump team will be flummoxed when you say ' welcome to senior hurling now lads'. The real joke is Biden will know.

Well will he ? Joe Bidens family are from Louth and Mayo, which as we know as hurling strongholds.


I saw it mentioned that apparently Lindsay graham has said that if Ted Cruz was shot dead on the floor of the senate that nobody would be held accountable for it. Jesus how disliked is Ted Cruz even within his own party ?

I see that the trip to cancun is going to affect his two daughters as the other parents want the school to enforce the 7-10 day quarantine rule for students who leave the country. I hope the school do.

prawnsambo

expectationlost wrote: »

beta o'rouke isn't a serving politician, and AOC is in congress so, neither are relevant to my question about the powers and influence of a senator.

One thing he could do (and Abbot as well) is put pressure on the legislature to cap the ludicrous electricity prices that were traded as a result of the power outages. Leading to people receiving five figure electricity bills. And put a stop to the idea of spot-trading electricity. Its literally an incentive to run the network down and cause the kinds of outages that happened in Texas. And refund the people who had no choice but to pay out these exorbitant bills or be cut off.

Detritus70

prawnsambo wrote: »

One thing he could do (and Abbot as well) is put pressure on the legislature to cap the ludicrous electricity prices that were traded as a result of the power outages. Leading to people receiving five figure electricity bills. And put a stop to the idea of spot-trading electricity. Its literally an incentive to run the network down and cause the kinds of outages that happened in Texas. And refund the people who had no choice but to pay out these exorbitant bills or be cut off.

I wouldn't bet on it.
This is a video by a mortician in California who has a YouTube channel (which is endlessly fascinating) and she says that the record number of deaths has been described as a "business opportunity" by government officials. Go to 2:29
If government officials in California see Covid deaths as a business opportunity for funeral homes, government officials in Texas will view exorbitant electricity prices as the same.
There's no good or bad, there's just business. People don't enter I to it.
The only thing that counts is dividends for the stockholders

https://youtu.be/gEkPKVvAMrs

Muahahaha

Next Sunday will be keenly watched as Trump is set for his first public speech since Bidens inauguration day. He is going to address the CPAC conference in Florida and the theme is the future of the Republican Party. Pompeo is also lined up to address the conference.

Pence was invited to speak but has declined the invitation, no doubt worried that the crowd could turn on him id speech with one of Trumps three word slogans. Reports are saying that Pence plans to keep a very low profile for the next six months.

Also looks like immigration will be the drum he will bash to attack Biden

The source familiar with Trump's plans to attend CPAC, who is also familiar with the former President's speech, told CNN on Saturday that "he'll be talking about the future of the Republican Party and the conservative movement."
"Also look for the 45th President to take on President Biden's disastrous amnesty and border policies," the source added.

prawnsambo

Detritus70 wrote: »

I wouldn't bet on it.
This is a video by a mortician in California who has a YouTube channel (which is endlessly fascinating) and she says that the record number of deaths has been described as a "business opportunity" by government officials. Go to 2:29
If government officials in California see Covid deaths as a business opportunity for funeral homes, government officials in Texas will view exorbitant electricity prices as the same.
There's no good or bad, there's just business. People don't enter I to it.
The only thing that counts is dividends for the stockholders

https://youtu.be/gEkPKVvAMrs

To be fair, Abbot has actually said something about this and appears to want to do something about it.

“We have a responsibility to protect Texans from spikes in their energy bills that are a result of the severe winter weather and power outages,” Mr. Abbott, who has been reeling after the state’s infrastructure failure, said in a statement after the meeting. He added that Democrats and Republicans would work together to make sure people “do not get stuck with skyrocketing energy bills.”

Now whether that will actually translate into some kind of action, remains to be seen. But there's no doubt that people are very angry and there's going to be a massive backlash if something isn't done.

And this is what the architect of the system said:

William W. Hogan, considered the architect of the Texas energy market design, said in an interview this past week that the high prices reflected the market performing as it was designed.

The rapid losses of power — more than a third of the state’s available electricity production was offline at one point — increased the risk that the entire system would collapse, causing prices to rise, said Mr. Hogan, a professor of global energy policy at Harvard’s Kennedy School.

“As you get closer and closer to the bare minimum, these prices get higher and higher, which is what you want,” Mr. Hogan said.

Completely nuts. That's not 'what you want' when there's a statewide emergency. Maybe in a normal situation where there is too much demand and the system can't cope, then you can possibly reduce demand by increasing prices. But when the whole system falls over because you haven't invested in cold weather protections, that issue of demand is moot. And made even worse by literally cutting your state off from the national grid, so you don't even have a backup when an emergency occurs.

Quin_Dub

prawnsambo wrote: »

To be fair, Abbot has actually said something about this and appears to want to do something about it.



Now whether that will actually translate into some kind of action, remains to be seen. But there's no doubt that people are very angry and there's going to be a massive backlash if something isn't done.

And this is what the architect of the system said:



Completely nuts. That's not 'what you want' when there's a statewide emergency. Maybe in a normal situation where there is too much demand and the system can't cope, then you can possibly reduce demand by increasing prices. But when the whole system falls over because you haven't invested in cold weather protections, that issue of demand is moot. And made even worse by literally cutting your state off from the national grid, so you don't even have a backup when an emergency occurs.

Equally there was a quote from a GOP Rep saying that he disaster relief funds "would help people pay for their electricity bills" - So , Government bailouts to help Private enterprise profit..

Not - "we'll change/amend the law so they can't do this" , no we'll use Government funds to allow the scalpers to make bank.

Itssoeasy

The US Supreme Court will not stop the grand jury from obtaining Donald trumps tax returns which he’s fought so hard to keep hidden. You’d assume whoever has possession of the tax returns won’t be willing to break the law to help a now private citizen Donald trump. Just imagine if Donald frump had never run for President he’d probably not be under scrutiny the way he is, and could have carried on doing whatever he was doing prior to 2016.

PropJoe10

One of those rare occasions that you're sorry he's blocked from Twitter. For a man with "nothing to hide" he's working awfully hard to hide those tax returns.

Headshot

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The US Supreme Court will not stop the grand jury from obtaining Donald trumps tax returns which he’s fought so hard to keep hidden. You’d assume whoever has possession of the tax returns won’t be willing to break the law to help a now private citizen Donald trump. Just imagine if Donald frump had never run for President he’d probably not be under scrutiny the way he is, and could have carried on doing whatever he was doing prior to 2016.

pity the general public may never see the light of day of these tax returns unless an indictment happens and Trumps taxes are evidence

amandstu

O Schadenfraude ,o Schadenfraude wie lächerliche ist dein Täuschung

Quin_Dub

Headshot wrote: »

pity the general public may never see the light of day of these tax returns unless an indictment happens and Trumps taxes are evidence

There will definitely be a court case - Think the only way now that they aren't made public is if Trump settles.

Don't think that's likely though , after all this I can't see NY accepting a plea deal , suspect they'll want their day in court.

Water John

Matthew Dowd, a political strategist, told the MSNBC network: “I find it fascinating that taxes may finally be the way that DT is held accountable in all the things he’s done throughout his life. I find it fascinating because Al Capone, for all the bad things he did, was finally held accountable and ended up on the Rock [Alcatraz Island] out in California because of tax evasion.”

scuba8

As the NY investigations continue it is worth noting that he is already an un-indicted co-conspirator for the crimes that Coen is serving time for. Coen, I presume, would be a willing witness to these crimes.

Quin_Dub

scuba8 wrote: »

As the NY investigations continue it is worth noting that he is already an un-indicted co-conspirator for the crimes that Coen is serving time for. Coen, I presume, would be a willing witness to these crimes.

Cohen has been an active witness for the prosecution for some time on this.

Itssoeasy

The Manhattan DA has received Donald trumps tax returns. This isn’t a drill. Now the public probably won’t see them any time soon, but it’s nice to know that now the Manhattan DA has the Nixon version of the smoking gun tape. I think I’m right in saying that if the DA brings a case these returns will be part of the evidence so we may see them.

astrofool

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The Manhattan DA has received Donald trumps tax returns. This isn’t a drill. Now the public probably won’t see them any time soon, but it’s nice to know that now the Manhattan DA has the Nixon version of the smoking gun tape. I think I’m right in saying that if the DA brings a case these returns will be part of the evidence so we may see them.

We've already seen them, everybody knows he's broke, it's just a matter of if he can drag out the process for the rest of his days and leave everyone else to pick up the pieces.