Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

12gauge dave

Dems hypocrisy getting shown during the impeachment.

Some shameful things said in this.

Alot worse than stand back and stand by.

https://youtu.be/aj1Rwlztapg

aloyisious

12gauge dave wrote: »

Dems hypocrisy getting shown during the impeachment.

Some shameful things said in this.

Alot worse than stand back and stand by.

https://youtu.be/aj1Rwlztapg

Cant open the link but if they are the video clips used by the defence, the difference between them and the managers video clips is that the managers clips show actual actions from President Trump supporters at the Capitol while he [with total control of the reins of federal govt power] took no action on receipt of requests for police and N/Guard assistance from his beleagured govt and party colleagues in the Capitol. The defence team clips show mere spoken words. As his quoted words to the Proud Boys reads, Trump stood back and stood by. He didn't even send in the cavalry.

spacecoyote

aloyisious wrote: »

Cant open the link but if they are the video clips used by the defence, the difference between them and the managers video clips is that the managers clips show actual actions from President Trump supporters at the Capitol while he [with total control of the reins of federal govt power] took no action on receipt of requests for police and N/Guard assistance from his beleagured govt and party colleagues in the Capitol. The defence team clips show mere spoken words. As his quoted words to the Proud Boys reads, Trump stood back and stood by. He didn't even send in the cavalry.

And the Proud Boys adopted that statement and turned it in to their slogan, having it printed on Tshirts and Jackets that they wore to Trump "rallies"

sliabh 1956

Even Chris Wallace on Fox said using those quotes out of context were ridiculous. And they showed by doing that why the were Trumps 3rd choice defence team Meow!!!

amandstu

sliabh 1956 wrote: »

Even Chris Wallace on Fox said using those quotes out of context were ridiculous. And they showed by doing that why the were Trumps 3rd choice defence team Meow!!!

Even if those quotes had weight ,so what?
Who is impeaching the Democratic President today?

We all saw Trump's actions. We all see his enablers' actions.

We all see their apologists weasel words.

Itssoeasy

Mitch McConnell will vote no in the senate trial.

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Dems debating whether to call witnesses or not

intriguing

Itssoeasy

Headshot wrote: »

Dems debating whether to call witnesses or not

intriguing

Unless there’s a rule then call senator tubberville and Kevin McCarthy. The trump team said that tubberville was lying despite the fact that senator Mike lees office confirmed the call.

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Here we go the house managers looking for witnesses

Leroy42

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Mitch McConnell will vote no in the senate trial.

What this means is that any POTUS can do anything and get away totally Scott free once they resign or leave office.

Quite a situation really.

Itssoeasy

Leroy42 wrote: »

What this means is that any POTUS can do anything and get away totally Scott free once they resign or leave office.

Quite a situation really.

More or less.

Sparko

Leroy42 wrote: »

What this means is that any POTUS can do anything and get away totally Scott free once they resign or leave office.

Quite a situation really.

But just like his opposition to confirming a supreme court appointment in the final year of a presidency, his opinion would surely change if the circumstances were reversed and precedent be damned. Slimy odious creature.

Christy42

dublin49 wrote: »

Trump IMO stayed just inside the line ,unfortunately. A jury of his peers may have found him responsible,no chance with partisan politics involved.

There is no line. He wasn't just in the line. He could have shot someone himself and the Republicans would defend him to the hilt.

Itssoeasy

The lawyer for trump is such a dislikable person. He’s channeling his employer Donald trump is both lying and being unwilling to accept certain facts. And because he’s unwilling to accept certain facts because to do so would prove the house managers case he’s acting like a spoilt child.

banie01

It's leaked this morning that McConnell has emailed the caucus that he will vote to acquit.

I'm not at all surprised, but I do think it's a fine example of playing both sides.

After Beutler announced the contents of the McCarthy Trump call on the 6th and her contemporary notes, McConnell has an opportunity to make it appear that he has been backed into the corner by the witness evidence.
It's the witness evidence that would lead to the clear dereliction of duty, and as such he may be hoping to hold onto a significant part of Trump's base whilst simultaneously managing to jettison Trump.

I see Lady G has changed his vote to allow witness?
Very odd move from a trump toady too.

aloyisious

L Graham just changed his vote from Nay to Aye to allow the team managers call witnesses. Hopefully it's not part of a defence team scheme seeing as the lawyer there said if one witness was called he would want 100 hundred witnesses deposed as in civil court.

Thepoet85

aloyisious wrote:

L Graham just changed his vote from Nay to Aye to allow the team managers call witnesses.

Incredible. What's he up to?

Itssoeasy

The senate has voted to hear from witnesses. Surprisingly it seems Lindsay graham changed from no to yes.

abff

12gauge dave wrote: »

Dems hypocrisy getting shown during the impeachment.

Some shameful things said in this.

Alot worse than stand back and stand by.

https://youtu.be/aj1Rwlztapg

The only defence offered is to say that the other side are just as bad? “I may have killed him your honour, but what about all the other people who killed people?” Whataboutery at its worst.

And the democrats talking about fighting does not equate to them exhorting violence. You have to look at the context in which the word was used.

Leroy42

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The senate has voted to hear from witnesses. Surprisingly it seems Lindsay graham changed from no to yes.

He already stated that if the Dems call witnesses GOP will drag it out for months.

I fully expect multiple Trump supporters to give evidence that they knew it was Antifa the whole time and they personally saw dead people voting in Georgia

duploelabs

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Incredible. What's he up to?

He said the other week that if they allowed witnesses in the senate trail that he'd call in the FBI, or whatever the fcuk that means

Itssoeasy

duploelabs wrote: »

He said the other week that if they allowed witnesses in the senate trail that he'd call in the FBI, or whatever the fcuk that means

Full blooded Italians ?

Of course its meaningless.

A "nifty suave retort" from Trump. True to form as when he was president.

Itssoeasy

Leroy42 wrote: »

He already stated that if the Dems call witnesses GOP will drag it out for months.

I fully expect multiple Trump supporters to give evidence that they knew it was Antifa the whole time and they personally saw dead people voting in Georgia

Will these witnesses by drug tested prior to testifying ? They wouldn’t want repeat of that woman that even Guilianni had try and stop rambling on.

aloyisious

duploelabs wrote: »

He said the other week that if they allowed witnesses in the senate trail that he'd call in the FBI, or whatever the fcuk that means

It seems it is unclear yet on whether the vote was to allow multiple witnesses to be called or whether it was for one specific witness, the member who went public last night about what I understand was the McCarthy/Trump call.

Leroy42

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Will these witnesses by drug tested prior to testifying ? They wouldn’t want repeat of that woman that even Guilianni had try and stop rambling on.

Won't matter. All they want to do is to drag it out and drag into the gutter.

Get up so most people have either lost interest or simply get confused as more and more off the wall rubbish comes out.

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Very suspicious that Lindsey Graham votes for the witnesses

Itssoeasy

aloyisious wrote: »

It seems it is unclear yet on whether the vote was to allow multiple witnesses to be called or whether it was for one specific witness, the member who went public last night about what I understand was the McCarthy/Trump call.

It was to allow witnesses and documents. My reading was it was witness’s because there’s at least two in leader Kevin McCarthy and the congresswoman from Washington state and others who it seems were privy to the call between McCarthy and trump. You’d assume that whoever was on the call on the trump side will be a potential witness.

Itssoeasy

So the rules for this senate trial apparently only were laid out until what would happen if they voted for witnesses. There wasn’t a plan it seems for what direction to go if that happened. Also, it’s been reported that some of the trump lawyers had already made plans to leave Washington. It seem Mike pences chief of staff has been contacted by the house managers. The trump team called the house managers bluff and the managers said okay.

aloyisious

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So the rules for this senate trial apparently only were laid out until what would happen if they voted for witnesses. There wasn’t a plan it seems for what direction to go if that happened. Also, it’s been reported that some of the trump lawyers had already made plans to leave Washington. It seem Mike pences chief of staff has been contacted by the house managers. The trump team called the house managers bluff and the managers said okay.

It might be that the defence lawyer's statement about the way civil trials proceed and his comment about calling 100 witnesses may have blown Trump's game plan by angering the house and senate members. The calling of witnesses may be decided by way of individual votes on each request. Given the way some GOP senators [incl Graham] have sided with the "call witnesses" angle and the Dems desire to get as much ammunition as possible against Trump, the GOP NAYS on the voting may well lose each time. Trump will undoubtedly be angry with his legal team tonight. Graham's vote may rebound on him when Trump realises what it may mean for him.