Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

yagan

Threatening Article 16 has had the desired effect, AstraZeneca are upping their EU output their best efforts excuse was a money grabbing weeze.

FrancieBrady

yagan wrote: »

Threatening Article 16 has had the desired effect, AstraZeneca are upping their EU output their best efforts excuse was a money grabbing weeze.

Well, there you have it. They know the EU could destroy them. Once I heard the EU insisting the contract be published it was obvious they knew they held the cards.

sondagefaux

CelticRambler wrote: »

The list itself

Remember, the next time buy a box of ibuprofen or paracetamol in Newry and bring it back to the Republic, you may be engaging in illegal activity (and definitely are if you're distributing boxes of it from your centralised warehouse in GB to your supermarket shelves in the RoI.

Also banned: contraceptive pills, bog-standard antibiotics, antacids and simple salt solutions. Bare-faced protectionism from the UK Government, but hey, let's all jump on the EU talking about applying export controls to very specific medicinal products.

How strange.

Lots of cheaply priced generic painkillers and antacids sold in the UK are produced in Co.Tipperary by Pinewood Laboratories Ltd.

They produce own-brand products for Asda and cheaply priced generic products sold in the likes of Home Bargains, B&M and Poundland.

https://pinewood.ie/pinewood_products.html

Hep B and flu vaccines also on that list...

sondagefaux

yagan wrote: »

Threatening Article 16 has had the desired effect, AstraZeneca are upping their EU output their best efforts excuse was a money grabbing weeze.

Article 16 isn't the reason for AZ's change of heart. That was an NI-specific issue.

The modified draft Regulation, minus the reference to Article 16, has been published.

It provides for the same restrictions on exports as in the abandoned version, but no mention of Article 16.

Apart from that poorly thought-out proposal, thankfully abandoned, this is all excellent news. Well done to Ursula von der Leyen and the Commission.

Ursula von der Leyen @vonderleyen
Step forward on vaccines.

@AstraZeneca will deliver 9 million additional doses in the first quarter (40 million in total) compared to last week’s offer & will start deliveries one week earlier than scheduled.

The company will also expand its manufacturing capacity in Europe.
6:14 PM · Jan 31, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

https://mobile.twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1355942468001411072

prawnsambo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Weakened'...how?

Touch of the over exaggeration there.

Well if this is weakened, I'm all for it. Imagine that they could cough up another 9 million doses and get things running a week earlier just like that. "Best endeavours" must have been recalibrated for them.

Edit: Beaten to it.

sondagefaux

The 100+ years old Captain Tom Moore has been admitted to hospital with Covid-19 symptoms.

Unfortunately, this very old gentleman has not been vaccinated even though Rupert Murdoch and Stanley Johnson (father of Boris), no doubt very deservedly, have already received both of their doses.

Such a shame that Captain Tom is now severely ill. If anyone could have been vaccinated as a priority, it should have been him.

ThePanjandrum

yagan wrote: »

Threatening Article 16 has had the desired effect, AstraZeneca are upping their EU output their best efforts excuse was a money grabbing weeze.

I think it's more likely that they are beginning to get the manufacture sorted out, Article 16 doesn't have much effect on Astra-Zeneca so it would hardly frighten them. In fact the failure of the EU's methods in the last week could well have led it to make less effort.



And believe it or not, the UK Government agreed that the vaccine would be sold "at cost" worldwide in this period so it could hardly be a "money grabbing weeze" (sic.)


And if Merkel doesn't want it for Germany's older people and Macron doesn't want it at all, think how much more you'll have anyway.

RobMc59

sondagefaux wrote: »

The brother-in-law used to work in the Pfizer warehouse.

Great with a forklift, not so great at the spelling...;)

Not sure why we haven't had the name of this French pharma company yet.

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/careers/biotech-pharma-companies-ireland

Unless it's a secret!

OK,it was named Rhodia Chirex and it was in Holmes Chapel in Cheshire.

yagan

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

And if Merkel doesn't want it for Germany's older people and Macron doesn't want it at all, think how much more you'll have anyway.

The Pfizer results from Israel so far have been very encouraging. Overall on a global scale all proven vaccines, be they Chinese, Russian or elsewhere should be applied as soon as possible.

AstraZeneca's profit driven double dealing isn't new, but the UKs complicity has bloodied the waters with the EU. Expect the screws to turn tighter in the coming months.

breezy1985

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well, there you have it. They know the EU could destroy them. Once I heard the EU insisting the contract be published it was obvious they knew they held the cards.

Well it's not like the EU were gonna lose out to tiny little Britain

FrancieBrady

yagan wrote: »

The Pfizer results from Israel so far have been very encouraging. Overall on a global scale all proven vaccines, be they Chinese, Russian or elsewhere should be applied as soon as possible.

AstraZeneca's profit driven double dealing isn't new, but the UKs complicity has bloodied the waters with the EU. Expect the screws to turn tighter in the coming months.

Not fully up to speed on this, but surely the AZ vaccine will be more trouble than it's worth once the other vaccines come on stream. Ease of creation and storage etc?

Professor Moriarty

When all of this dies down, in perhaps and hopefully 12 months, the most important metric in assessing a country's overall response to the pandemic will be the number of deaths attributed to Covid-19 and the mortality rate per capita.

sondagefaux

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

I think it's more likely that they are beginning to get the manufacture sorted out, Article 16 doesn't have much effect on Astra-Zeneca so it would hardly frighten them. In fact the failure of the EU's methods in the last week could well have led it to make less effort.



And believe it or not, the UK Government agreed that the vaccine would be sold "at cost" worldwide in this period so it could hardly be a "money grabbing weeze" (sic.)


And if Merkel doesn't want it for Germany's older people and Macron doesn't want it at all, think how much more you'll have anyway.

When did Macron say France didn't want it at all?

He said it was 'quasi-ineffective' in over 65s, not that France would reject it.

He also said the AstraZeneca vaccine, given approval by the EU regulator on Friday for use on all adults, appeared to be “quasi-ineffective” on people older than 65, though he acknowledged he had no figures or official information.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/30/half-friends-is-not-a-concept-uk-should-decide-who-its-allies-are-says-macron

And I don't think Merkel is personally responsible for the decisions made by the German regulatory authorities not to approve the AZ vaccine for use by the over 65s.

Do you really think she literally takes every decision made by every branch of the German state?

If I was stopped for speeding in Germany, would it have been because Merkel told the cops?

Honestly, the amount of half-baked opinions, based on half-understood, half-read 'information'...:rolleyes:

yagan

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

When all of this dies down, in perhaps and hopefully 12 months, the most important metric in assessing a country's overall response to the pandemic will be the number of deaths attributed to Covid-19 and the mortality rate per capita.

Also the number of Long Covid sufferers per head of population. I've heard physios describe it as the new polio for long term care needs.

Professor Moriarty

yagan wrote: »

Also the number of Long Covid sufferers per head of population. I've heard physios describe it as the new polio for long term care needs.

Very true unfortunately. I've read that 10% of people suffer from Long Covid.

sondagefaux

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

When all of this dies down, in perhaps and hopefully 12 months, the most important metric in assessing a country's overall response to the pandemic will be the number of deaths attributed to Covid-19 and the mortality rate per capita.

Of the 'Western' countries, the wealthier ones anyway, only New Zealand and Australia will be able to hold their heads up high.

Only a small number of Asian countries too.

L1011

sondagefaux wrote: »

The 100+ years old Captain Tom Moore has been admitted to hospital with Covid-19 symptoms.

Unfortunately, this very old gentleman has not been vaccinated even though Rupert Murdoch and Stanley Johnson (father of Boris), no doubt very deservedly, have already received both of their doses.

Such a shame that Captain Tom is now severely ill. If anyone could have been vaccinated as a priority, it should have been him.

He's had pneumonia for weeks so couldn't be vaccinated. He was out of the UK prior to that

Professor Moriarty

sondagefaux wrote: »

Of the 'Western' countries, the wealthier ones anyway, only New Zealand and Australia will be able to hold their heads up high.

Only a small number of Asian countries too.

There will be degrees of head-hanging though.

sondagefaux

L1011 wrote: »

He's had pneumonia for weeks so couldn't be vaccinated. He was out of the UK prior to that

Hence 'if anyone could have been'.

volchitsa

L1011 wrote: »

He's had pneumonia for weeks so couldn't be vaccinated. He was out of the UK prior to that

Why was he out of the UK? I thought people weren't meant to be travelling if possible?

RobMc59

volchitsa wrote: »

Why was he out of the UK? I thought people weren't meant to be travelling if possible?

He went to Barbados in December,it is on his bucket list.

Bit cynical

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

When all of this dies down, in perhaps and hopefully 12 months, the most important metric in assessing a country's overall response to the pandemic will be the number of deaths attributed to Covid-19 and the mortality rate per capita.

That will be half the picture. The other half will be the costs associated with lockdown.

sondagefaux

The speed with which Irish export and import patterns have changed in January is staggering.

Freight traffic between Rosslare and Britain are about half of what they were, freight traffic between Rosslare and other EU ports is up by nearly four and a half times than in the past.

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1194166/

In the meantime, supply chains between Britain and Northern Ireland are creaking at the seams, and are set to get worse as the temporary easements on controls agreed between the EU and UK are due to expire in April and more British controls will begin in July.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/31/eight-days-for-carrots-to-get-to-belfast-with-complex-brexit-checks

It's not just trade between Britain and the island of Ireland that's been affected. Road freight between Britain and the EU are down by one third.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/31/road-freight-britain-eu-down-third-data-shows-brexit

CelticRambler

sondagefaux wrote: »

The speed with which Irish export and import patterns have changed in January is staggering.

Freight traffic between Rosslare and Britain are about half of what they were, freight traffic between Rosslare and other EU ports is up by nearly four and a half times than in the past.

This point - the increase in Irish freight coming through Cherbourg - was the main "Brexit anniversary" talking point on the French radio programme I heard this morning (coupled with the explanation that the UK has become a no-go zone for most EU hauliers).

listermint

Anyone understand how the UK remains within the euromillions. With third country status and all that comes with that

L1011

listermint wrote: »

Anyone understand how the UK remains within the euromillions. With third country status and all that comes with that

Euromillions is not an EU body. Switzerland are also in it.

listermint

L1011 wrote: »

Euromillions is not an EU body. Switzerland are also in it.

Don't confuse my knowledge on what an EU body is. Switzerland have trade agreements . Is euromillions not a service of some description how is the money moved and or taxed across the border . Third country.

Capt'n Midnight

Hang on, there's still steel quotas and tariffs for the UK until the June review :eek:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-55845067

UK Steel said it was "likely" that export quotas for some products would run out in the first quarter of this year - meaning exports would face a 25% tariff.
...
"The steel industry is going to be subjected to 25% tariffs on every tonne of steel that we export to the European Union above a certain quota.

"What's even worse is steel going from Great Britain to Northern Ireland will be included in the calculation of that quota
....
There are now separate quotas for UK steel trading with the EU for 29 different steel products.

And with the UK history of vetoing a ban on China dumping steel into the EU thus threatening European jobs they may not get a sympathetic ear during the June review.

Capt'n Midnight

Brexit means the UK can't use the UK inspired Passports for Pets scheme. The new Irish Sea border means paperwork and certain vaccines are now needed for pets entering NI from GB. The UK Brexit negotiators missed asking for an exemption for guide dogs when they abandoned the whole scheme.


The UUP in an attempt to steal the DUP's righteous indignation are nuts that the MoD must now give 15 days notice and fill out customs declaration forms before it moves equipment from GB to NI. And they wanted Article 16 invoked over it.

Nody

listermint wrote: »

Don't confuse my knowledge on what an EU body is. Switzerland have trade agreements . Is euromillions not a service of some description how is the money moved and or taxed across the border . Third country.

Euro million is a private betting company with license to operate in nine countries (incl. UK); nothing else.