Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120893785#Comment_120893785

Salmond's Alba party was basically a way to game the system.

Because the list is weighted towards small parties and the SNP are huge you could now vote for an SNP MSP and Alba on the list to maximise your pro independence vote.

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120893475#Comment_120893475

Well, it's still somewhat up in the air whether the UK wish to give that mobility to be allowed take employment outside the barista/waiter/au-pair roles mentioned originally. A line from the Times article suggests otherwise. It's not attributed to anyone or a direct quote as such, but presumably the journalist got it from someone.

"Any agreements would be reciprocal, meaning young Britons would find it easier to travel and work in other countries. The schemes are likely to be tailored to each country and could vary in age criteria, length of stay and the types of roles applicants could undertake."

So with traditional exceptionalism, it appears the UK initial position is Pedro may not actually be allowed to move from job to job the way the EU would generally expect such a mobility scheme to operate.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120893908#Comment_120893908

Oh for sure; you listen to these types long enough via call in radio and it's never, ever about they themselves wanting to pick fruit or serve pints. More often than not they're retired or very comfortable in their own lot (and this cue the ranting about the feckless poor). In fact even on Boards we have the infamous, resident Nigel Farage fan who declared that most workers were workshy (not him, or course; he was a very successful businessman).

As to pints, I think you can extend that out to a lot of "easy" jobs and especially in latter-day office work. My wife's a graphic designer and she'd be a millionaire for the number of times arrogant, flippant clients would sniff that if they had the tools themselves, they'd whip this poster up in no time (and invariably they were the worst clients cos they had no understanding that good work takes time)

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120893955#Comment_120893955

Fair enough. The UK's existing youth mobility schemes (e.g. with Australia) have no such limitation. I can't see that trying to introduce one in schemes with France, Germany, Spain, etc would make it any easier to interest those countries in the proposed scheme. So, a pretty silly idea, really.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120895025#Comment_120895025

It's good old racism at the end of the day. French and Germans are fine, the Italians and Spanish are fine as long as they stick to serving pasta or making coffee but beyond that it's "no blacks, no dogs, no Polish" which is why they want bespoke deals with certain countries only.

If it's an EU wide deal and the EU gets something tangible back for it then it's a great deal for young Europeans.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120893927#Comment_120893927

It didn't work, though.

Seth Brundle

It looks like the UK still don't get it at all...

The EU has slapped down the UK government after it attempted to bypass Brussels on post-Brexit trade rules.

The European Commission was unhappy after British officials asked each member state directly about their plans to cope with new checks on goods coming into the UK.

At one point, the commission told countries in the bloc to ignore the UK government completely. It then sent a memo telling member states to provide only “short general information” because of the “problematic” nature of the British request.

The commission later warned the UK that contacting each country directly was “outside” the terms of Boris Johnson’s Brexit trade deal – saying it was of “significant concern” since a proper response to British queries should be “harmonised at EU level”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-eu-trade-imports-b2379743.html

Leroy42

For many Brexiteers the penny will never drop. From the article above:

Brexiteer John Redwood argued that it was in the EU’s interest to take a more conciliatory approach.

“The EU seems set on being unfriendly when it would be much more sensible for them to be cooperative, as they export a lot more to us than we export to them,” he said.

They need us more than we need them. An argument shown to be completely false, yet again, by the UK having to try to go around the commission as they know that the only chance they have is to go to individual members. Almost like they acknowledge that being in a club like the EU gives everyone more power than standing alone!

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66375185

It applies to most but not all goods. 18 areas. However, "Rules for other areas, including medical devices and construction equipment, would continue to be determined by other government departments,"

Red tape being replaced by red, white and blue tape.

Itssoeasy

The “this isn’t the brexit I voted for” line one of the things that I still find baffling seven years on. If you voted to leave to EU in 2016 then yes you did vote for the this brexit.

And as shown above the mindset that they(the EU) need them more is just off the wall.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120927431#Comment_120927431

Because Brexit was never defined that it is a line to avoid having to take any responsibility. The likes of Farage, Widdecombe, Johnson, JRM, Davis, well everyone, can continue to blame others for the reality. If only they had been listened to then everything would have been great.

The reality, of course, is very different. Shown by the fact that not one of those claiming that 'this isn't the Brexit I voted for' crowd is able to say what they would change and what they would be prepared to give up to achieve it.

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120927443#Comment_120927443

I said it before about the businessman who had charges added to his products from Germany and called them “unjustified and unreasonable.” Except when you leave something in this case the EU, then why do you believe you should still enjoy the benefits of that block ?

The expats in Spain and elsewhere who voted leave and are giving out about them not being able to stay in Spain like they had.

reslfj

“The EU seems set on being unfriendly when it would be much more sensible for them to be cooperative, as they export a lot more to us than we export to them,”

When the UK has an export deficit, it's fundamentally because not enough UK products are good enough in quality or function and/or not at the correct market price. This is not an EU problem, but entirely a UK problem. Not enough to be good, you must be excellent.

The UK (owned) car industry is a good example of making not good enough products e.g. Austin Allegro, Moris Marina, three wheels for Mr. Bean.

The UK car industry should not have survived nor did it. Darwin is a powerful master on the world market.

"Red tape being replaced by red, white and blue tape." /Capt'n Midnight

This seems more like the first 18 steps to a full acceptance of the EU's CE mark and all EU standards. I guess all blue tape with yellow stars on.

This will be just one of more vital steps to keep UK products competitive in Europe and on the global market.

Lars 😀

rock22

Of course this means that UK will now have to accept the rules and standards associated with the CE mark, i.e. the UK become rule takers. And as the standards evolve, and they do, the UK will also have to accept any changes made at EU level.

Will UK manufacturers have to apply to EU for testing to confirm they comply to CE mark? There seems to be some suggesting they will have to as UK cannot award the CE mark.

serfboard

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2023/0731/1397508-northern-ireland-airports/

To quote Upton Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it".

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120930118#Comment_120930118

What do they mean by a return of duty free between NI and the EU? Did it ever exist?

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120930272#Comment_120930272

They want to have the same duty free system that Britain now has but can't understand how you can't have this and have no hard border.

I still laugh at all the "tut-tutting" when people called Brexiters idiots back in the early days but they really are proving the insults to be correct.

reslfj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120930272#Comment_120930272

Until June 30 1999, duty free was available when traveling between EU members by plane or ship.

This is a case where countries e.g. Denmark in the EU Council, the EU Commission itself and common sense won over money and dirty lobbyists. 👍️

Lars 😀

serfboard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120930272#Comment_120930272

Sure did - up until 1999.

The irony is that the colleagues down South can sell Duty Free to passengers travelling to England, but they cannot! The "incredible economic opportunities" that Northern Ireland has by being in the UK Customs Union and de facto being in the EU Customs Union, means that Northern Ireland airports could only sell Duty Free to passengers travelling outside the EU - and I don't know how many non-UK, non-EU flights there are from Northern Ireland. Belfast International has flights to Turkey, Egypt and the US but of the twenty busiest routes last year, only one - Dalaman at number 19 - was outside either the UK or the EU.

reslfj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120930385#Comment_120930385

PS! If you arrive from outside the EU and transit in an EU airport, liquids (over 100ml) in your carry on baggage will be confiscated.

To get it into the EU you will have to fly directly to your final destination or have the duty free packed in your checked-in baggage.

Some years ago I came from Shanghai to Copenhagen with transit in Helsinki (HEL) - a nice litre of Gordons Gin was confiscated in transit. 😣

Lars 😀

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120930480#Comment_120930480

If they package it correctly in the sealed plastic bag you can generally bring it through security. Its common enough these days.

reslfj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120930505#Comment_120930505

In most airports this will not work. My Gin was packed exactly correct from Shanghai but to no avail in Helsinki.

Lars 😀

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120930555#Comment_120930555

We're going wildly off-topic, but from my experience your situation is very much the outlier. I have seen it and done it in multiple European airports and literally never had a problem.

Seth Brundle

Checks on Brazilian beef, poultry and other meats will no longer be necessary when importing into GB. How will this affect exports of British foods containing meat into the EU?

https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2023/08/03/UK-inspection-requirements-for-Brazil-meat-imports-loosened

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120949450#Comment_120949450

Not only screwing their own farmers but also scuppering their chances of friction free trade through regulatory alignment with the EU.

Of course this is always what Brexit was about to the people at the top pushing Brexit. Further fuk the native industry over by getting rid of pesky EU standards and increase profits through formerly banned substandard products.

CelticRambler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120949450#Comment_120949450

Probably won't have any effect, if this line in the article can be relied upon:

Since the implementation of the stricter checks in 2017, Brazilian authorities introduced additional risk mitigation laws in line with EU requirements.

So GB is quietly piggy-backing on the supposedly much-despised EU red tape. But (presumably) still have to send their own inspectors to confirm what the EU already knew.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120949584#Comment_120949584

So essentially the UK is gonna get EU certified Brazilian meat anyway ?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120949503#Comment_120949503

Replacing EU red tape with UK red tape would theoretically be a good idea, if one was to believe the UK crowd were fine and principled people. But as we know, the Brexiteers are liars, crooks and charlatans and their reasons for pushing for an EU exit were entirely bad ones.

This is why there is now a media blackout with the right wing press - having to admit all of the above would also mean admitting the entire Brexit process was deeply corrupt, not a well meaning venture that accidentally went wrong.

roosterman71

It would be very bad news for Irish beef exports to the UK. Ireland can't compete with Brazilin the beef game

yagan

The UK won't be piggybacking on the EU inspected Brazillian supply if they can dump their dodgy stuff on the British public.