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Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

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    #1592
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Extremists who will view conflict as a means to an end,you know what I mean.Those intent on causing discord and misery for the ordinary people,whether it`s in Ireland or the UK.

    You claimed that there was a conflict and people wouldn't want it spilling over. There is no conflict at the moment. Somebody scrawled some graffiti.

    Be aware some will use 'conflict' to wreck an agreement that has been entered into by all.


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    #1593
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,068 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    The EU seems to think there is but hopefully they are wrong.

    Oh right. Where's the condemnation for the UKGov in fomenting violence?


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    #1594
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,068 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Yes,I am a Unionist but don`t agree with intimidation and other terrorist methods,we`ve seen enough of that with those other clowns the ira or whatever they call themselves these days.

    What have the IRA got to do with this?

    Can you not accept that the UKGov and your fellow Unionists have caused this current crap?


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    #1595
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,045 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    What have the IRA got to do with this?

    Can you not accept that the UKGov and your fellow Unionists have caused this current crap?

    Everything thing this guy says is about trying to deflect blame away from his side or claim a false 50/50 blame for Brexit


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    #1596
    rockatansky
    Registered Users Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭rockatansky


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    What have the IRA got to do with this?

    Can you not accept that the UKGov and your fellow Unionists have caused this current crap?

    It's not within their comprehension to admit to any their failings, ever.


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    #1597
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Everything thing this guy says is about trying to deflect blame away from his side or claim a false 50/50 blame for Brexit

    The tories and those who voted for it are responsible for brexit.


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    #1598
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Britain slowly moving further away from Europe one mm at a time!

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-55931406


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    #1599
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 36,070 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Its so ironic that it's ONLY all those people who voted for Brexit that now have a problem with it.


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    #1600
    [Deleted User]
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Its so ironic that it's ONLY all those people who voted for Brexit that now have a problem with it.
    On RTÉ news tonight there is a company close to here that has been forced to shut due to lack of parts that they import from the UK, they build ambulances.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0204/1194945-wilker-plant-to-lay-off-80-staff/


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    #1601
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    The tories and those who voted for it are responsible for brexit.

    Michael Gove and Arlene Foster, Jim Allister etc need to tone down the language, sit down and use the flexibility in the protocol and diffuse any tensions. THEY are ramping it up.


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    #1602
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Deleted User wrote: »
    On RTÉ news tonight there is a company close to here that has been forced to shut due to lack of parts that they import from the UK, they build ambulances.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0204/1194945-wilker-plant-to-lay-off-80-staff/

    Temporary closure due to supply issues. Was always going to happen.


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    #1603
    [Deleted User]
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Temporary closure due to supply issues. Was always going to happen.
    Yeah, no surprises there, that's why so many stockpiled in the autumn.


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    #1604
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    GBP is strengthening since 11 am today. Now worth 87.5p = €1.

    I wonder why?


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    #1605
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    GBP is strengthening since 11 am today. Now worth 87.5p = €1.

    I wonder why?
    Due to positive economic forecasts like this one.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55934405
    Bank of England: Economy to rebound strongly due to vaccine

    The UK's rapid Covid-19 vaccination programme will help the economy bounce back strongly this year, according to the Bank of England.


    The economy is expected to shrink 4.2% in the first three months of 2021, amid tighter lockdown restrictions to slow the spread of the virus.


    But policymakers expect a rebound this spring as consumer confidence returns.


    The Bank also told High Street lenders to prepare for negative interest rates, even as it ruled out an imminent move.






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    #1606
    CelticRambler
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    GBP is strengthening since 11 am today. Now worth 87.5p = €1.

    I wonder why?

    Because the markets believe Johnson's bragging about the UK being world leaders in corona vaccinations and they think the economy will rebound within a few short weeks?


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    #1607
    McGiver
    Registered Users Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Could we end up with a condominium status for Northern Ireland?

    Brexit is incompatible with the GFA. The WA is very complicated. I think England would be very happy to somehow get rid of NI and the NI protocol.

    They will first try to renege on the WA (again), but this time they will hit very hard. So I don't see what options they have left after that.


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    #1608
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Because the markets believe Johnson's bragging about the UK being world leaders in corona vaccinations and they think the economy will rebound within a few short weeks?

    Sounds fishy to me.

    They have very high deaths and infections despite figures published are a bit - how would you put - optimistic. Probably, the BoE are being optimistic as well.


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    #1609
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Because the markets believe Johnson's bragging about the UK being world leaders in corona vaccinations and they think the economy will rebound within a few short weeks?

    Regarding vaccinations,why did`nt Ireland follow EU recommendation that the astra zeneca vaccine is fit for purpose with no restrictions but appeared to just follow Germany and France?did Ireland do any independent research or just follow them?


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    #1610
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    McGiver wrote: »
    Could we end up with a condominium status for Northern Ireland?

    Brexit is incompatible with the GFA. The WA is very complicated. I think England would be very happy to somehow get rid of NI and the NI protocol.

    They will first try to renege on the WA (again), but this time they will hit very hard. So I don't see what options they have left after that.

    Can't see condominium status working with us in the EU and Britain out. It would be one crisis after the next if they started to diverge more.


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    #1611
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Ther you go again Rob with your made up assertions. Who is hating the UK and all it stands for?

    WHere are you getting that from. From a person that continues to post that not everyone in the UK is intolerant or racist just because that is the government they continually voted in, you are very quick to making sweeping generalisations about the rest of the EU.

    Ireland does not hate the UK. Prior to Brexit the two countries had the best relationship they had probably ever had. The Queen visited, and was largely welcomed.

    We consume their media, we watch their sports, we live there, work there, travel there. And millions of Eu citizens travel to the UK every year and millions live there and work there (wasn't that part of the Brexit issues).

    You think all of this is just a cover for hatred?

    What is very evident, in as much as people care, if that people hate Brexit and hate the way the UK are acting. They have been unreasonable since even before the vote and since the ref have taken to believing their own arrogance.

    Again, read through Gove's letter yesterday. Does that read as if it is a reasonable person looking to work through issues in the spirit of sharing? No, it was a full on 'you are totally to blame, if you don't sort it out we will make you pay' demand. With then added deadline of basically 48 hours! It was pretty close to a ransome demand letter.

    Thankfully, the EU gave it the respect it deserved and told Gove to take a chill pill, stop acting like the big man and throwing his weight around, and maybe try to work out some possible solutions himself rather than blaming everyone else.
    Goves’ letter was much more politically hamfisted than the mistake made by the Commission to move towards A16 without prior consultation with the relevant stakeholders

    He has an absolutely zero chance of extracting concessions from the EU with this kind of bully boy tactic when everyone can see that the bully’s posse has deserted him and he is trying to take on the entire school on his own

    The UK will be forced to back down again or escalate their threats, committing themselves to a battle they cannot possibly win while they’re already in a weakened position

    It actually reminds me of a faithless partner who openly shags everyone with 2 legs for years, then tries to take the moral high ground when his wife comments that she quite likes George Clooney from ER, and every one of their mutual friends just look at him and think he’s so damn lucky his wife is very tolerant but he’s pushing his luck way too far now


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    #1612
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Regarding vaccinations,why did`nt Ireland follow EU recommendation that the astra zeneca vaccine is fit for purpose with no restrictions but appeared to just follow Germany and France?did Ireland do any independent research or just follow them?


    In your haste to score a point in how we only follow and don't think for ourselves, you have shown up yourself again. If you did some research you will have seen we have advised the Astrazeneca vaccine is not used by those over 70's. Germany has said it should not be used in those over 65. France the same as Germany and Belgium has advised not to use it in those older than 55.

    I see The Netherlands has also banned it for use in those over 65.


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    #1613
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    GBP is strengthening since 11 am today. Now worth 87.5p = €1.

    I wonder why?
    They’re projecting to reach herd immunity by July with a huge economic rebound when they open up the economy earlier than most of their neighbors

    Problem is, 7 months of Brexit could leave nothing left to rebound


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    #1614
    yagan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭yagan


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Regarding vaccinations,why did`nt Ireland follow EU recommendation that the astra zeneca vaccine is fit for purpose with no restrictions but appeared to just follow Germany and France?did Ireland do any independent research or just follow them?
    Not enough testing done with older people as was done by Pfizer and Moderna.

    I think AstraZeneca halted trials a few times due to too many severe reactions in older people. That would probably explain why they then didn't test as many over 65s.


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    #1615
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    yagan wrote: »
    Not enough testing done with older people as was done by Pfizer and Moderna.

    I think AstraZeneca halted trials a few times due to too many severe reactions in older people. That would probably explain why they then didn't test as many over 65s.
    There are lots of very dodgy stories coming from the AstraZeneca vaccine trials. They accidentally gave many trial participants different doses for example, didn’t test a representative cohort etc

    Needs must in a pandemic but this company is not known for its honesty and rule following, and we’ve seen they are prepared to sidestep contracts to gazump other customers

    Tbh, let the British have their vaccine, it’s got lower than average efficacy and is not a reliable supplier


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    #1616
    yagan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭yagan


    Akrasia wrote: »
    They’re projecting to reach herd immunity by July with a huge economic rebound when they open up the economy earlier than most of their neighbors

    Problem is, 7 months of Brexit could leave nothing left to rebound
    I honestly can't see that by their current second jab rate. Per head of population we already have a greater proportion fully vaccinated even though we started over three weeks behind them.

    More mutations may require them to another first round with another vaccine again.


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    #1617
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,932 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Regarding vaccinations,why did`nt Ireland follow EU recommendation that the astra zeneca vaccine is fit for purpose with no restrictions but appeared to just follow Germany and France?did Ireland do any independent research or just follow them?

    Did you forget the swiss who won't authorize it at all ?


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    #1618
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    yagan wrote: »
    I honestly can't see that by their current second jab rate. Per head of population we already have a greater proportion fully vaccinated even though we started over three weeks behind them.

    More mutations may require them to another first round with another vaccine again.
    Unfortunately the same applies over here, if you’re fully vaccinated and a new variant emerges that is resistant to immunity ( either natural from having had Covid) or vaccine induced immunity then we may be back to square 1

    Hopefully a 2nd infection will cause a much milder illness as happens a lot, but this is not guaranteed

    The risks the UK is taking by delaying the booster vaccine are not confined only to the UK

    Investors betting on a v shaped recovery are just gambling at this point, for multiple reasons


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    #1619
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,068 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    The tories and those who voted for it are responsible for brexit.

    But what of the IRA earlier?


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    #1620
    tubercolossus
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭tubercolossus


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Unfortunately the same applies over here, if you’re fully vaccinated and a new variant emerges that is resistant to immunity ( either natural from having had Covid) or vaccine induced immunity then we may be back to square 1

    Hopefully a 2nd infection will cause a much milder illness as happens a lot, but this is not guaranteed

    The risks the UK is taking by delaying the booster vaccine are not confined only to the UK

    Investors betting on a v shaped recovery are just gambling at this point, for multiple reasons

    Vaccination will be successful or not to whatever degree, but it's inarguable that delaying the - it's more than a 'booster', it's essential to complete the process - second shot means they are taking a bigger risk than those who stick to the recommended guidelines.


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    #1621
    ujjjjjjjjj
    Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    McGiver wrote: »
    Could we end up with a condominium status for Northern Ireland?

    Brexit is incompatible with the GFA. The WA is very complicated. I think England would be very happy to somehow get rid of NI and the NI protocol.

    They will first try to renege on the WA (again), but this time they will hit very hard. So I don't see what options they have left after that.

    Conservatory status, stuck on the side of a house but nobody really uses it.....

    Seriously though its a bit of right old mess and it always was a mess and there isn't any easy solution to it. We have a border which needs to be a border but can't be a border and you can move the border to a place which doesn't need a border but can have a border so that other place that needs a border but can't have a border is okay but then people don't want this border.

    I am now totally confused....


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