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Viability of small dairy farm
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yosemitesam1 wrote: »How long are ye in that sort of a system?
Why not aim to substantially reduce diesel, vet, contractor, fertilizer and meal as much as possible while also getting 5k glas? Reduced total labour and cost per cow. Much of those costs arent adding to profitability for you and are just turning money over, not increasing profits at end of year.
Impossible to change the ould fellas
hes probably been doing it since he got out of dairy ~10 years ago, diesel cant be reduced as we do the majority of the work ourselves with our own machinery, vet will have to be called out the odd time, usually only 2 times a year but that might be for a caesarian, herd testing etc so not cheap usually he'd only be out to us 2 times in a year at the most, contractor just does the silage for us nothing else, use bare minimum fertilizer for the silage ground so that cant be reduced anymore, am trying to reduce the ration, we do it little and often so may reduce it even more possibly, trying to get the father into glas but like i said not changing the ould fellas 0 -
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Bass Reeves wrote: »There are a few costs that could be cut. Insurance at 2k , if you are stocked low 2k is lot on ration at over 100 euro/ cow. Is it possible to reduce other costs after all sub 20 suckler's.on 60 acres.
I am not have a cut at you but even if you change you system unless you get a handle on costs you will struggle in any farming sector. If it costs 700/cow for 19 cows that produce 14calves(I know there may be more calves normally) how do you expect to manage costs for 40-50 dairy cows on the same amount of land.
Just because turnover increases it of no use if costs increase. If you need 100 euro worth of ration per cow for 17 suckler's how much ration will you need for 40-50 dairy cows. While 2k in turnover may seem a lot this is for a 7 day a week job that for about 45 weeks of the year will take 6 hours per day. Not only will you have these cows you will also have 7-10 replacement heifers and calves to manage as well.
Cutting down on insurance would be grand until something goes up in flames Thats for 3 tractors, (all 3 will be vintage this year so thatll bring it down) the buildings etc. Tis for the calves the ration is for, a few bought in calves, incalf heifers and weanlings, that would be including a few pieces for the farm we would get off drinagh hardware so not entirely ration but the vast majority of it is
That should of been 14 cows and 14 calves btw, just realized my mistake, will have 19 cows this coming year as 5 heifers will be calving, thats where the 19 came from so should be 19 calves this year hopefully
For the first few years i would only have 24 milking cattle and the plan would be to buy the land across the road and clear it myself with a digger, bringing me up to a 60 acre grazing platform which would be more than enough for 60 cows and a few heifers
Doesnt help not being able to change the ways ould fellas farm Thats a lot to do with it tbh 0 -
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Cutting down on insurance would be grand until something goes up in flames Thats for 3 tractors, (all 3 will be vintage this year so thatll bring it down) the buildings etc. Tis for the calves the ration is for, a few bought in calves, incalf heifers and weanlings, that would be including a few pieces for the farm we would get off drinagh hardware so not entirely ration but the vast majority of it is
That should of been 14 cows and 14 calves btw, just realized my mistake, will have 19 cows this coming year as 5 heifers will be calving, thats where the 19 came from so should be 19 calves this year hopefully
For the first few years i would only have 24 milking cattle and the plan would be to buy the land across the road and clear it myself with a digger, bringing me up to a 60 acre grazing platform which would be more than enough for 60 cows and a few heifers
Doesnt help not being able to change the ways ould fellas farm Thats a lot to do with it tbh
I insure two tractors, our own house, a farmhouse that is rented, two tractors, 8 bay cattle 400 sq meter cattle shed, a hay shed , cattle, employer liability for 5k, etc for 1500 euro.
For stocking level and considering that idealy Suckler cows needs no ration 2k in ration is huge IMOSlava Ukrainii
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Remember a yank could also turn up at the public auction. (Or maybe it's the Arabs nowadays)
I would ask her to sell it private, not even a yank would be interested in this land I don't think they wouldn't see the value and I don't know if you could get permission to build on it tbh
Bit random but I heard from a fella that you need planning permission to level more than 3 metres of rock, is this true? wouldn't, matter for this land across the road but more for at home0 -
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I would ask her to sell it private, not even a yank would be interested in this land I don't think they wouldn't see the value and I don't know if you could get permission to build on it tbh
Bit random but I heard from a fella that you need planning permission to level more than 3 metres of rock, is this true? wouldn't, matter for this land across the road but more for at home
4k an acre but you wouldnt pay that
. Youre in for some shock if you ever do try to buy land 0 -
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Kevhog1988 wrote: »As an outsider looking in Id say if you looked at what your at youd probably tighten up a good bit on both time and money spent. I don't see what need youd have for 3 tractors, you can only drive one at a time.
Would you ever look at sheep?. You could be grazing sheep alongside cattle and maybe stores in the winter when cattle are housed. If you do your ag college course I think your green cert exempt too?. Tams grant would be there for fencing if needed.
Ford 7810, ford 4000 with loader and a massey 35, 7810 does all hard work, 4000 does feeding and the 35 does the scraping, father wouldnt ever sell one of them and neither would I
Getting sheep would require a lot of fencing, that would require around 4km of sheep wire, which wouldnt be too bad, it would be the time it would take to set this up would be the problem, plus those ****ers will do everything possible to kill themselves and some just decide one day to give up and die
That college course gives the green cert that would qualify me for the TAMS, would the tams go towards getting a contractor to do it? I'd probably put up another shed with the grant instead0 -
Ford 7810, ford 4000 with loader and a massey 35, 7810 does all hard work, 4000 does feeding and the 35 does the scraping, father wouldnt ever sell one of them and neither would I
Getting sheep would require a lot of fencing, that would require around 4km of sheep wire, which wouldnt be too bad, it would be the time it would take to set this up would be the problem, plus those ****ers will do everything possible to kill themselves and some just decide one day to give up and die
That college course gives the green cert that would qualify me for the TAMS, would the tams go towards getting a contractor to do it? I'd probably put up another shed with the grant instead
You can do both afaik. Fencing and sheds but could be wrong there. You can either get a contractor or do th work to spec yourself and claim a labour value per metre for your own work.0 -
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Kevhog1988 wrote: »4k an acre but you wouldnt pay that. Youre in for some shock if you ever do try to buy land
I meant it would be preferable not to pay 4k+ for the land, if that was how much it would be going for then id have no choice as it is the only option to expand the grazing land to keep 60 cows and heifers comfortably0 -
I would ask her to sell it private, not even a yank would be interested in this land I don't think they wouldn't see the value and I don't know if you could get permission to build on it tbh
Bit random but I heard from a fella that you need planning permission to level more than 3 metres of rock, is this true? wouldn't, matter for this land across the road but more for at home
Yes this is right about rising or lowering ground by more than 3 or 4 metres. I wouldn’t think removing a few bits of rock would be a problem.0 -
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