Woman assaulted at knifepoint in Dublin *MOD WARNING ADDED TO OP*

Thelonious Monk

Balbriggan isnt a ****hole now. I think you are all getting carried away with the knife culture thing too. It has also grown massively so its apples and oranges. My dad is from finglas, it was a sleepy village in the 50s and 60s.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

You’re around a lot of the trouble hotspots without seeing anything. Arsene Wenger??

There are two Rahenys. East of the tracks is about as middle class as the Northside gets. I bet T is in a house like this:

https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/semi-detached-house-17-st-assams-park-raheny-dublin-5-raheny-dublin-5/2869262

maybe this:

https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/semi-detached-house-511-howth-road-raheny-dublin-5/1418024

wiggle16

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think youll find that i very much always mean socio economic class and I wont have some sort of voodoo conspiracy about racial classifications added to it. I have also never said ‘x types are all x’ but when a majority prove to be economic detractors, over represent in criminality etc.. I take issue with that.

Ive been very consistent in my issue
We have our own welfare class - they cause problems, we allowed in people with no skills from non eu countries and that en masse joined the welfare class - leading to more problems, we also have our own travelling community whome are also en masse part of the welfare class.

The welfare class only take from our economy and are responsible for the majority of anti social behaviour and violent crime, a fact that even most lefty academics agree with is universal to every country.

My very consistent point for years has been
Do not import people who are going to end up on welfare
Discourage those on welfare from having children
Rigorous crime enforcement specifically targeting areas with more welfare recipients.

Irelands project for the next 20, 40, 100 years should be to absolutely shrink the welfare class out of existence. Leaving the borders open only grows it.

Aha. Yeah. Then why mention this:

Eric Cartman wrote: »

UK top boy [......] Innit fam

If not to insinuate something more flavorful?

Hector Savage

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Its not teens, its a specific class of teens , living in bad areas and obsessed with the UK top boy / grime gang culture , canada goose jackets, carrying knives, selling drugs

Innit fam

I hear you're a racist now Father ...

doublejobbing 2

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Whoy was there no description of the teens given out so they could be found?

I once saw a youth being sought over an incident in Tyrellstown described as

"having dyed red dreadlocked hair, with dark roots"

While that's obviously a very helpful description, the egg shell treading is something else.

wiggle16

wiggle16 wrote: »

Aha. Yeah. Then why mention Innit fam:

If not to insinuate something more flavorful?

looked that up and it was east end London. Short for isn't it family, apparently.

I did not know that.

suicide_circus

Wibbs wrote: »

Of actual refugees yes. We're actually below the EU recommendations on that, so that's a start. The problem is the horse has long bolted because of the birthright loophole of the 90's and early 00's, where we had an influx on non EU people, the vast majority of same wouldn't get through the door today. So here we are.

Who would have foreseen that introducing a new population (with a totally different culture and with a predictably higher rate of state dependancy) at rate far faster than natural integration and assimilation could occur at would lead to social issues down the line? Oh that's right, everyone.

One eyed Jack

wiggle16 wrote: »

Aha. Yeah. Then why mention this:

If not to insinuate something more flavorful?

It was to insinuate that there are a particular class of Irish teenagers who emulate gang culture and grime in the UK ‘underground’ scene. They’ve existed in Ireland for decades now, you can’t have missed them? That’s why I referred to Blindboy perpetuating a negative stereotype of Limerick City for the ignorant champagne socialists in Dublin who don’t question the narrative he portrays, but rather celebrate him for it, and when young people see how Blindboy is celebrated, it stands to reason they would conform to the same stereotype to emulate his success. It’s not that long ago when Dublin media types gave Limerick City the moniker ‘Stab City’ as though the criminal element in Limerick was any worse than Dublin at the time -

The true story of Limerick

It was borne out of snobbery based upon class then, same as it’s borne out of snobbery based upon class today, feckall to do with race or immigration.

Thelonious Monk

Deleted User wrote: »

There are two Rahenys. East of the tracks is about as middle class as the Northside gets. I bet T is in a house like this:

https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/semi-detached-house-17-st-assams-park-raheny-dublin-5-raheny-dublin-5/2869262

maybe this:

https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/semi-detached-house-511-howth-road-raheny-dublin-5/1418024

I live in Edenmore. Know it? I'll swap for one of those if you're offering.

6o9fv7jpreb180

I really hate when people use class into these discussions.

Most Irish people were piss poor up until the 80's/90's. I'm sure there were some teens and young adults acting the bollocks, but far less than today. Why? 3 Simple reasons. Neccessity, parents, community.

While social welfare in theory is a good thing, the current system has many flaws. You can live quite comfortably on social welfare in many cases. When you include people who work for some cash in hand and then move a partner in on the sly, it can be very appealing. A couple of generations ago, if you didnt have work, you moved to a city or new country and found work. (Obviously there are criminals from affluent families, but i think most would agree, there is a link between this anti-social/gang behaviour and social welfare)

As more and more people access social welfare, a proportion of them will become reliant on it, become lazy and be happy with that lifestlye. Then these peole have chilren. The children grow up in a household where their parent(s) don't work and see them happy with their lives. Why would they bother trying to better themselves? Throw in the amount of children who don't know/see their fathers and have no male role models. And even the ones who do know/see their fathers, they probably arent great role models anyways.

As more people living in an area become welfare dependent, that mentality to get everything provided for them becomes the norm. If a child lives in a community where the majority dont work, why would they aspire to work? A garda car at someones house becomes the norm, gangs attacking peoples become the norm, drug use becomes the norm. In England last week, there was uproar over food parcels children were receiving for school lunches. Lots of parents wondering how they could feed their chldren on these measly bags. Everything becomes the governments responsibilty. Feed your own ****ing child. You can afford a new smartphone, cigarettes and alcohol. Im sure you can afford some food for your child.

All these negative influences as well as lots of time, lack of meaningful activites just lends itself to this kind of behaviour. You get away with throwing stones, so you attack someone. You get away that, you push someone in a canal and so on.... dont get me started on judicial system!

This not an anti social welfare post. I have been on the dole before. My parents hated to see me on it. The expectation from my family was to get work - which is missing in many families today.

The problem didnt start overnight and it wont be fixed overnight. The solution, regardless of class or race, is to not let **** people have children. Although it can't really be enforced.

Sorry, bit of a rant.

I see sheep

CRIME

Thelonious Monk

Catalina Nice Policeman wrote: »

In England last week, there was uproar over food parcels children were receiving for school lunches. Lots of parents wondering how they could feed their chldren on these measly bags. Everything becomes the governments responsibilty. Feed your own ****ing child. You can afford a new smartphone, cigarettes and alcohol. Im sure you can afford some food for your child.

What if they're out of work because of the pandemic, and are struggling to pay bills? You don't think foot parcels would help?

Bobblehats

OneEightSeven wrote: »

"She said that when she knocked one of them over the others said: 'Run Blood or some kind of slang'."

There's your answer right there. The new and more violent Irish.

To be honest my first clue was knife. Then balbriggan; then blud black youngfellas into black culture shocker. We’ve had enough of our own brainwashed by that jive over the past few decades but then they weren’t quite black enough...

Wibbs

wiggle16 wrote: »

Moving the goalposts again.

I don't think that people getting in boats and lorries and being trafficked from one continent to another are living cushy Gulf-style lives on oil revenues, and I don't think you're soft enough in the head to think that either.

So what? Again why are we expected to always be charitable? Why should Ireland and the EU be doing the bailing out. And as I pointed out few enough are coming to an island off the west coast of Europe in boats or trucks. Ireland isn't Greece. And as Australia found out when they finally got tired of the illegal migrants trying to get in and actively stopped and deported them, the numbers of migrants fell off a cliff and indeed the numbers of migrants dying in transit also fell away to nothing. But no we're sending ships to pick them up. You couldn't make it up.

I didn't mention Nigeria, but it isn't good enough to say that you and the immigrants themselves would take exception to their native lands being called ****holes and then pick one country to prove a point - an invalid example as it happens, as the high GDP is not reflective of the poverty and instability endemic in Nigeria, because the wealth is not evenly spread out - you know this so I shouldn't even have to point it out and that your couple who were doing quite nicely are the exception rather than the rule, even in Abuja and Lagos (or especially in Lagos).

There are plenty of nations with worse wealth distributions. Hell the US on paper isn't much better than Nigeria. Should we extend our charity in that direction too?

I'm not a bleeding heart or a soft touch either, by any stretch, so you needn't worry about breaking thing anything to me about Trócaire boxes. Migration is more complicated than you and others are making it seem - in any group of people you will have people who will, as their default, sponge off the system. We have plenty of our own who do that. But that is a separate issue to immigration itself.

Half of all Africans in Ireland are not "economically active". They have the worst record of employment of any demographic in this state. This trend is reflected in every single other European nation. These are facts. I can give you plenty of academic and government links if you like. That's a large percentage of those who"sponge off the system". Far higher than any other demographic save our own Travellers. Indeed as you note we have plenty of our own who do same, but a significantly smaller percentage, so again why the hell are we importing more? It is not that complicated a question.

Hector Savage

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's just sad.

What;s even sadder is the people with their head firmly buried in the sand.

beggars_bush

anything to be said for two weeks in the Curragh with the army?

biko

GreeBo wrote: »

Isn't that in itself a racist approach to take though?
You are starting from a position of white people are different to black people and might have cause to attack each other purely based on this.

I would have thought it should be investigated as an attack and let the facts decide where it goes?

Unfortunately people aren't mature enough to handle this mindset, see George shooting etc
So if a Asian person punches a black person it should be considered if was there a race motive.

Particularly when the victim and attacker aren't known to each other, that is a classic racist attack.

In this case it appears to have been racial and sexist reasons for the attack.

Hamachi

suicide_circus wrote: »

Who would have foreseen that introducing a new population (with a totally different culture and with a predictably higher rate of state dependancy) at rate far faster than natural integration and assimilation could occur at would lead to social issues down the line? Oh that's right, everyone.

To be fair, Ireland has absorbed immigrants from many culturally disparate societies across Europe, Asia, and Latin America. The majority of these folks are economically active and productive residents or naturalized citizens.

Some of the major migrant groups in this country originate from Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Romania, China, India, and Brazil. The questions for me here are:

Why do we rarely, if ever, hear of second generation young people from these backgrounds engaged in indiscriminate, violent attacks?

Why do the perpetrators more frequently originate from a specific migrant community?

Why has the integration of that community failed so significantly relative to peer migrant groups? I’m not just referring to senseless violence, but also the extraordinarily low rates of labor force participation.

REPTILEDAN88

Hector Savage wrote: »

I hear you're a racist now Father ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyHUd4QsFfE
He's not wrong though these are the types hes on about, gob****es trying to ct the gangster robbing taxi delivery/drivers, little kids phones at knife point or pregnant women or 10/20+ on 1 like the incident in Ashbourne. They wont go to Coollock, Finglas etc to rob people like they do using the trains/buses from Drogheda, Balbriggan etc going to places like Clontarf, Portmarnock, Rush, Lusk etc. The medias got their heads in the sand to it & it'll only get worse just look at how rampant stabbing are in the UK with black youths with postcode gangs and their mumbling drill rap.

Before anyone goes oh more racism, one of my sisters is mixed race & i've other mixed race family & friends some who grew up in South Africa even & they're no fans of the Nigerians etc either having been shot & robbed and even abducted, thrown in their boot while their car was stolen & then left in the middle of nowhere thinking they were going to be killed We've enough criminals of our own in this country without the need to import more all the while Irish people go homeless but non nationals get housed etc.

Thelonious Monk

biko wrote: »

Unfortunately people aren't mature enough to handle this mindset, see George shooting etc

A few noisy idiots on Twitter, I'd say 99.99% of people were on the Garda's side.

discodiva92

Why do I have a feeling this is a racist attack

hatrickpatrick

I find it utterly maddening how these threads always degenerate into a debate about either class or race. Inevitably. The fact that one can have long, detailed, well cited arguments about either of these angles on "anti social behaviour", AKA violent, disorganised crime, should be all the evidence one needs that neither of these issues are truly responsible for the situation. But it's very convenient for those in power that debates on this get divided along those tribal political lines, so they can avoid ever addressing the actual issue, which is extremely simple:

Committing violent crime against others should land a person in prison and with significant financial hits. People should be afraid of the consequences of committing violent crimes.

This is something which transcends issues of identity, and yet here we are in this thread arguing about race, social class, etc. Meanwhile, regardless of whether you're black, white, rich, poor, left handed, right handed, whatever, the outcome is exactly the same: You beat the ever living sh!t out of someone in public, either for no reason at all, because you're drugged up and aggressive, because you want to steal something they have or because you have some kind of grudge or feud against that individual, and the outcome will be exactly the same.

That outcome? A suspended sentence in court, which in the real world translates to absolutely zero meaningful consequence whatsoever.

Sort that issue out, and we'll never have to have this tiresome tribal debate about demographic identity again. It shouldn't matter who you are, where you come from, or who you know. If you violently assault somebody without provocation, you should be punished for it in a manner which meaningfully and negatively impacts your enjoyment of life for a period of time, such that if you are a person with the urge to behave in this manner, the repercussions of behaving thusly are worse than the psychological hardship of restraining yourself from behaving thusly.

Ireland needs more prisons and mandatory jail sentences for crimes involving victims. Simple as that.

EDIT: Here's a thought where teenagers are concerned: Mandated house arrest outside school hours. Electronic, GPS tagging so the local Gardaí can ensure that you are either on school property or in your home for the duration of your sentence - and can see where you are to arrest you and bring you to either of those locations should you decide to break the terms of your house arrest, on top of issuing an on-the-spot fine for breaking it. Continue to break it? then you go to actual prison.

James Brown

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Its not teens, its a specific class of teens , living in bad areas and obsessed with the UK top boy / grime gang culture , canada goose jackets, carrying knives, selling drugs

Innit fam

More blue collar crime in disadvantaged areas. Doesn't excuse it, but that's a fact.
All walks are capable of being scumbags.

Teen beaten to death as row erupts after student disco

Why is there more white collar crime in more affluent areas? Access. Why mug a granny when you can syphon off a pension fund.

biko

biko wrote: »

In this case it appears to have been racial and sexist reasons for the attack.

Plucked out of your own head with absolutely zero evidence.

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I live in Edenmore. Know it? I'll swap for one of those if you're offering.

Not really but it looks fairly gentrified on Daft.

Thelonious Monk

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really but it looks fairly gentrified on Daft.

You clearly don't know the area
anyway what does it matter where I live?

Bobblehats

discodiva92 wrote: »

Why do I have a feeling this is a racist attack

Well she was particularly white...

like a beacon; in the night. To a wild pack of animals lurking in the shadows with knife in hand, and blood on their lips.... it’s horror material. How the was this ever normalised? Don’t let it happen here.

doublejobbing 2

bubblypop wrote: »

If we take people into the country, perhaps one idea might be to not just abandon them into a life on social welfare?

Why do Chinese people never end up "abandoned" on welfare? They typically have poorer English than those who enter via the asylum system.

Personally I would like to see incentives that encourage all people into work and education.

Incentives like cutting dole, or never allowing access to it to begin with?

Yeah, the left would go with that one alright.

You are dealing with people who think that if a woman wants to come here and has no intention of working, but every intention of breeding, she should get welfare and housing assistance superior to even a born and raised waster from these shores.

Donald Trump

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You clearly don't know the area
anyway what does it matter where I live?

People asking where you live is probably related to you insisting to others that the areas they live in are grand and to stop being racist when you may be shouting that message from a proverbial ivory tower.

Thelonious Monk

Donald Trump wrote: »

People asking where you live is probably related to you insisting to others that the areas they live in are grand and to stop being racist when you may be shouting that message from a proverbial ivory tower.

They were saying the area I live in is being affected by marauding gangs. As someone who lives here I can say it isn't.