16 family members given vaccine

Natterjack from Kerry

GreeBo wrote: »

Can you give us the list of people who, within an hour and with no consent issues you could have materialized?

Better to have wasted them than to have given them to family even if that was all that could be mustered as options, because the optics of nepotism are unavoidable no matter if they were the only options.
It stinks to high heaven.
A head must roll here. I insist on it.

Annasopra

Not a big deal. Better that they were administered and not dumped.

Wombatman

Deleted User wrote: »

Show me one person who's claimed that? Because my money says that you won't be able to. Stop sharpening your pitchforks for a second and read what people are typing.

They weren't the highest priority or best suited or anything else you want to conjure out of thin air. They were available, and that's pretty much it.

Until proven otherwise, you have to take the official story as related in the media.
They had 120 extra doses
They rounded up 104 people at short notice
Couldn't get any more for whatever reason
Asked staff to see if they knew anybody and then 16 were given the jab

That's all that's to it. But everyone assumes that because the boss' kids are among the lucky few then there SIMPLY HAS TO BE SOMETHING underhanded going on. Has to be. Because, as a couple of posters have alluded to, that's what they'd be doing if they were in that position! You couldn't make this sh1t up.

Yeah, and all that money was just resting in John Delaney's account. You're gas.

steddyeddy

hynesie08 wrote: »

So why weren't they they first people in the queue? Or the first to get the excess? Did his wife or other family members get the vaccine? That's some ****ty nepotism.

You have a high bar of nepotism my friend. I could hire my children but not my wife and you'd be defending it as above board.

Fann Linn

hynesie08 wrote: »

His granny with a fake ID was it?

Well the 2 sons were there.

Christy42

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'll change it to the highest priority available. You can't believe that the boss' sons, one of whom didn't even work there was the highest priority available.

He would have had to come in the hospital to get it sure!

What difference would having to go to the hospital make if he lived nearby? Like at all. They knew he was doing nothing important and they knew he was nearby and they knew how to contact him quickly.

How many people did they contact beforehand? They got 104. I am assuming they had some misses getting up to that number.

PO!NT

Deleted User wrote: »

Show me one person who's claimed that? Because my money says that you won't be able to. Stop sharpening your pitchforks for a second and read what people are typing.

They weren't the highest priority or best suited or anything else you want to conjure out of thin air. They were available, and that's pretty much it.

Until proven otherwise, you have to take the official story as related in the media.
They had 120 extra doses
They rounded up 104 people at short notice
Couldn't get any more for whatever reason
Asked staff to see if they knew anybody and then 16 were given the jab

That's all that's to it. But everyone assumes that because the boss' kids are among the lucky few then there SIMPLY HAS TO BE SOMETHING underhanded going on. Has to be. Because, as a couple of posters have alluded to, that's what they'd be doing if they were in that position! You couldn't make this sh1t up.

I agree. If spare vaccines become available you have a better chance of skipping the group queue if you have friends or family working for the HSE.

steddyeddy

Christy42 wrote: »

What difference would having to go to the hospital make if he lived nearby? Like at all. They knew he was doing nothing important and they knew he was nearby and they knew how to contact him quickly.

How many people did they contact beforehand? They got 104. I am assuming they had some misses getting up to that number.

Jesus. So now the line isn't he was the highest priority person available in the hospital but he was the highest priority person available near the hospital.

steddyeddy

PO!NT wrote: »

I agree. If spare vaccines become available you have a better chance of skipping the group queue if you have friends or family working for the HSE.

Good point point. I have plenty of friends working for the HSE. I'll try to skip the queue the next time the vaccine dose is miscalculated.

is_that_so

This is the now current HSE guidance, which came four days after this event. Key points here that were not observed in this case.

Centres should establish standby lists of frontline healthcare workers later in the sequence order.

They should be available at short notice and are to be randomly selected from the lists for vaccination in the event that frontline healthcare staff earlier in the sequence order do not attend or cannot receive the vaccine.

The HSE also advised that centres should consider establishing standby lists of other health staff (provisional vaccine allocation Group 4).

hynesie08

steddyeddy wrote: »

Jesus. So now the line isn't he was the highest priority person available in the hospital but he was the highest priority person available near the hospital.

So now you're claiming that noone in the hospital got vaccinated....... Or should someone have gotten a second dose because they're higher priority?

Christy42

steddyeddy wrote: »

Jesus. So now the line isn't he was the highest priority person available in the hospital but he was the highest priority person available near the hospital.

Is there a difference? Anyone in range of the hospital should be considered? Like any difference whatsoever in the slightest?

I mean I am guessing the 104 beforehand were not from the hospital or they would have been part of the first 1k.

hynesie08

is_that_so wrote: »

This is the now current HSE guidance, which came four days after this event. Key points here that were not observed in this case.

How can you observe guidance that doesn't exist?

Green Peter

The problem is alot of people in irish society are used to the nod and wink senario and don't see the wrong in this. This is indicative of Many at the top who have been dragged up the ladder and then drag their own along with them afterwards. The cycle continues. I wouldnt believe a word of the excuses. It's damage limitation and covering ass time.

steddyeddy

is_that_so wrote: »

This is the now current HSE guidance, which came four days after this event. Key points here that were not observed in this case.

Funnily enough those guidelines are used worldwide for many different type of vaccination.

Now we know they were wrong. You think people on here will stop defending it?

steddyeddy

Christy42 wrote: »

Is there a difference?

Yep there's a big difference in priorities. That's why we have guidelines for it.

is_that_so

hynesie08 wrote: »

How can you observe guidance that doesn't exist?

You assume that those leading it are up to the job of planning it out properly. The guidance looks like planning, what happened in the Coombe was clearly not.

Christy42

Green Peter wrote: »

The problem is alot of people in irish society are used to the nod and wink senario and don't see the wrong in this. This is indicative of Many at the top who have been dragged up the ladder and then drag their own along with them afterwards. The cycle continues. I wouldnt believe a word of the excuses. It's damage limitation and covering ass time.

The problem in Ireland has been people making it look like they were doing a job without doing it. We have already had people saying doctors should have done the job incorrectly so it wouldn't look bad and throw out the vaccine.

hynesie08

is_that_so wrote: »

You assume that those leading it are up to the job of planning it out properly. The guidance looks like planning, what happened in the Coombe was clearly not.

I agree, but at the time they had nothing to work with, the 6th dose was literally changing from a possibility to a recommendation that day, I don't see how you plan for that....

steddyeddy

hynesie08 wrote: »

I agree, but at the time they had nothing to work with, the 6th dose was literally changing from a possibility to a recommendation that day, I don't see how you plan for that....

Nope it wasn't. The Pfizer guidelines state how much you can use dependent on the needle size used. Some are saying there's spare or leftover vaccines. There are no spare vaccines. Medicine is calculated with precision, not "oh look there was more than we thought".

steddyeddy

Green Peter wrote: »

The problem is alot of people in irish society are used to the nod and wink senario and don't see the wrong in this. This is indicative of Many at the top who have been dragged up the ladder and then drag their own along with them afterwards. The cycle continues. I wouldnt believe a word of the excuses. It's damage limitation and covering ass time.

Ah I seen it all the time Peter.

My friend complained when a woman hired her not properly qualified nephew as a lab staff member in a certain Dublin hospital. Her replies were exactly as they appear here "so what"? They were the best for the job ect. I think a lot of Irish people deserve this HSE.

Bear in mind we're not long after the cervical check scandal where this was said:

Dr Gabriel Scally said there was a "complete failure from top to bottom" in the cervical screening programme and that some of the women and their relatives had been treated "appallingly badly".

Yet people are still defending substandard practices.

RandomViewer

hynesie08 wrote: »

Why won't they get the second dose on time? Why would they have to pay for a free vaccine?

There wont be any surplus and they arent on a priority list, next September at earliest , master guy can get his after picking up his dole

hynesie08

steddyeddy wrote: »

Nope it wasn't. The Pfizer guidelines state how much you can use dependent on the needle size used. Some are saying there's spare or leftover vaccines. There are no spare vaccines. Medicine is calculated with precision, not "oh look there was more than we thought".

Then why did the EMA have to ask Pfizer for approval for the 6th dose?

https://www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/eu-to-approve-extraction-of-sixth-dose-from-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-vial/

The company has submitted a request for change, which is being reviewed by the CHMP (human medicines committee) in the shortest possible timeframe,” an EMA spokeswoman said, noting the agency had prompted Pfizer to submit data on the possible use of six doses per vial.

“If the CHMP finds that 6 doses can be extracted consistently, it will recommend a change to the current terms of the authorisation to support member states in their roll-out of the vaccine,” the spokeswoman added.

hynesie08

RandomViewer wrote: »

There wont be any surplus and they arent on a priority list, next September at earliest , master guy can get his after picking up his dole

You're just making it up so, no problem......

steddyeddy

hynesie08 wrote: »

Then why did the EMA have to ask Pfizer for approval for the 6th dose?

https://www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/eu-to-approve-extraction-of-sixth-dose-from-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-vial/

Because there was a 6th dose.....

Green Peter

Green Peter wrote: »

The problem is alot of people in irish society are used to the nod and wink senario and don't see the wrong in this. This is indicative of Many at the top who have been dragged up the ladder and then drag their own along with them afterwards. The cycle continues. I wouldnt believe a word of the excuses. It's damage limitation and covering ass time.

The problem is years of putting up with people that were on the take has eroded everyone's confidence and they think everybody is on the take. If it comes out that this guy directly intervened and got his family members bumped up the list, then he should resign. If he didn't, and they were added for any other reason, then this is a non story.

hynesie08

steddyeddy wrote: »

Because there was a 6th dose.....

No, there was enough for a 6th dose, but they were only allowed give 5.

EU countries started inoculating people with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine two weeks ago, after the European Medicines Agency (EMA) recommended the shot’s conditional approval under an authorisation which allows five doses to be extracted from each vial.

PO!NT

Deleted User wrote: »

The problem is years of putting up with people that were on the take has eroded everyone's confidence and they think everybody is on the take. If it comes out that this guy directly intervened and got his family members bumped up the list, then he should resign. If he didn't, and they were added for any other reason, then this is a non story.

Why would he apologise if he had a legitimate reason?

RandomViewer

hynesie08 wrote: »

You're just making it up so, no problem......

Think I know where one of the vaccinations went anyway

hynesie08

RandomViewer wrote: »

Think I know where one of the vaccinations went anyway

Good one, you're as sharp as the needle needed to get the extra dose.....