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    #1292
    bureau2009
    Registered Users Posts: 616 ✭✭✭bureau2009


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Those people were accusing him without a shred of evidence, others were giving him the benefit of the doubt, big difference
    Irish Times:. Report finds that consultant took home vaccines for their family.


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    #1293
    hotmail.com
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    bureau2009 wrote: »
    Irish Times:. Report finds that consultant took home vaccines for their family.

    No consequences...


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    #1294
    iamwhoiam
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    No consequences...

    Says who ? Its surely a criminal offence


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    #1295
    hotmail.com
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Says who ? Its surely a criminal offence

    Not yet. It is in Portugal, but no laws drawn up here. In hindsight, we should have known some Irish people would try to skip the queue.


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    #1296
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Not yet. It is in Portugal, but no laws drawn up here. In hindsight, we should have known some Irish people would try to skip the queue.

    Of course its a criminal offence to take property from a hospital to your home . Its theft


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    #1297
    hotmail.com
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Of course its a criminal offence to take property from a hospital to your home . Its theft

    Oooh really? Let's see how he answers to that then.


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    #1298
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Oooh really? Let's see how he answers to that then.

    Its a different consultant . Not the Master


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coombe-doctor-brought-covid-19-vaccines-home-for-family-report-finds-1.4526397?mode=amp


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    #1299
    hotmail.com
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Its a different consultant . Not the Master


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coombe-doctor-brought-covid-19-vaccines-home-for-family-report-finds-1.4526397?mode=amp


    Their statement just says lessons have been learned... I.e. no consequences.


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    #1300
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Their statement just says lessons have been learned... I.e. no consequences.

    Oh i imagine the HSE and Gardai will step in so . Its out and out theft


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    #1301
    Multipass
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    They should be struck off, no different to bringing hospital drugs home. Disgusting abuse of their position.


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    #1302
    [Deleted User]
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    It's fraud! End of. Property of the HSE. To be given in HSE specific facilities. Giving at home also negates the HSE guidance regarding waiting period of 15 mins for anaphylaxis +/- resuscitation equipment (albeit, rare ++).


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    #1303
    [Deleted User]
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    On a broader level, it shows a complete lack of clinical governance. Potentially, the CEO/clinical director will have to go although it being the HSE. This probably won't happen. They'll be shuffled into academia.


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    #1304
    Brendan Bendar
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coombe-doctor-brought-covid-19-vaccines-home-for-family-report-finds-1.4526397?mode=amp



    And so it begins . The Coombe in trouble now

    And as we all know, Pat tries to game the system..... it’s endemic folks.

    Nothing new here ..... nothing new.


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    #1305
    BrianD3
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's fraud! End of. Property of the HSE. To be given in HSE specific facilities. Giving at home also negates the HSE guidance regarding waiting period of 15 mins for anaphylaxis +/- resuscitation equipment (albeit, rare ++).
    Would there have been issue with transport also - seeing as it would have been the Pfizer vaccine and afaik doses had to be dumped in Germany after someone brought them up a stairs.

    Two vaccines brought home, more details needed on what exactly was brought home - a full vial, remnants of vials, made up vaccine etc, what stage of refrigeration. Could it be that these two doses were in fact wasted by bringing them home.

    Meanwhile, we still have significant numbers of very elderly/vulnerable housebound people waiting on their first dose of the vaccine because of the logistical difficulties of getting it to them/them to it.

    So much wrong with this story. Consultant brings vaccines home to administer to family members - he is referred to as Consultant B. A member of the public breaks travel restrictions - he is named in the national media.


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    #1306
    JP Liz V1
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    bureau2009 wrote: »
    Irish Times:. Report finds that consultant took home vaccines for their family.

    Thief :mad:
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #1307
    GazzaL
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coombe-doctor-brought-covid-19-vaccines-home-for-family-report-finds-1.4526397?mode=amp



    And so it begins . The Coombe in trouble now

    Comical. Bringing vaccines home to get the wife and kids sorted while people in much greater need are overlooked.

    The medical community in Ireland are really letting themselves down.


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    #1308
    RoseStick
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    GazzaL wrote: »
    Comical. Bringing vaccines home to get the wife and kids sorted while people in much greater need are overlooked.

    The medical community in Ireland are really letting themselves down.

    How do you know the wife doesn't have an underlying condition?

    One would argue that a doctor would be essential in this pandemic. If the family gets sick or suffers a bereavement that would mean the doctor would be out on leave. A doctors family should be considered for vaccination. A doctor is only human too and a family could have any number of health conditions too.


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    #1309
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    RoseStick wrote: »
    How do you know the wife doesn't have an underlying condition?

    One would argue that a doctor would be essential in this pandemic. If the family gets sick or suffers a bereavement that would mean the doctor would be out on leave. A doctors family should be considered for vaccination. A doctor is only human too and a family could have any number of health conditions too.

    Why do you think it's ok to break protocols?

    Why do you think a doctor's wife, if seriously at risk with an underlying condition, wouldn't receive a vaccine in due course as part of the high risk cohorts?


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    #1310
    h2005
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    RoseStick wrote: »
    How do you know the wife doesn't have an underlying condition?

    One would argue that a doctor would be essential in this pandemic. If the family gets sick or suffers a bereavement that would mean the doctor would be out on leave. A doctors family should be considered for vaccination. A doctor is only human too and a family could have any number of health conditions too.
    Oh FFS are you for real? The doctor should be struck off. The vaccines belong to the nation not the doctor.


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    #1311
    byhookorbycrook
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    GazzaL wrote: »
    Comical. Bringing vaccines home to get the wife and kids sorted while people in much greater need are overlooked.

    The medical community in Ireland are really letting themselves down.

    Which is why it’s being moved to aged based , too many skeletons in too many cupboards.


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    #1312
    jmayo
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    RoseStick wrote: »
    How do you know the wife doesn't have an underlying condition?

    One would argue that a doctor would be essential in this pandemic. If the family gets sick or suffers a bereavement that would mean the doctor would be out on leave. A doctors family should be considered for vaccination. A doctor is only human too and a family could have any number of health conditions too.

    Just realised it is April Fools day.

    You seem to worry inordinately about the health of people and their families who received vaccines out of turn, but don't seem to give two fooks about the people who are way ahead of them in the queue because of their sicknesses and who didn't get the vaccine.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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    #1313
    BettyS
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Another thing that bothers me about the vaccines administered at home is the following: I thought that there was a proviso by the medical council that people couldn’t treat their own family. Furthermore, if the family had a severe anaphylaxis (as somebody who carries an epipen, I know how serious this is) at home, in the absence of the necessary provisions, it could have proved catastrophic. That consultant not only acted in a corrupt fashion, but exposed their own family to a very serious risk


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    #1314
    polydactyl
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    No rule against it, it’s just not strictly encouraged as no impartiality so most docs don’t. But that’s not the issue here. 1) it wasn’t theirs to take 2) the National group “prescription” doesn’t cover anyone out side the strict category 3) Pfizer not supposed to move once resconstituted...

    But also great to see in social media and here that everyone still assumes all consultants are male....it’s mostly women in lots of hospitals now. So might have been a hub and at home etc etc


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    #1315
    Miike
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    Just imagine this was a less senior clinician, nurse, pharmacist. Just imagine.


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    #1316
    polydactyl
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    I agree, they would never have even suggested they get the two doses never mind be let


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    #1317
    JP Liz V1
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    No punishment for Coombe thieves, all quiet on the issue now
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #1318
    BettyS
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    No punishment for Coombe thieves, all quiet on the issue now

    Like everything, this will all be forgotten


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    #1319
    bureau2009
    Registered Users Posts: 616 ✭✭✭bureau2009


    BettyS wrote: »
    Like everything, this will all be forgotten
    Stunning silence now about Mr Justice Seamus Woulfe.......


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