Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 22-01-2021 5:41pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Have you proof of that?

No you don’t, because I didn’t. It’s childish at this stage

I made sure my sources would be credible.

Apologies. You're correct. It was yer man Ivan not yer man Ivor. My mistake.

Windmill100000 · 22-01-2021 5:55pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m in A+E in one of Dublins hospitals right now. I’d rather not say which one, at least until I’m gone. And it’s nothing life threatening or majorly serious.

the time from check in to triage was less than 10 minutes!!!

Time from triage to seeing a doctor was less than 20 minutes!!

This hospital is dead. And the doctor admitted it. He said they are able to do all kinds of tests today because they are so quiet.

While ICU may be busy, it’s definitely fair to say that hospitals in general are dead.

You asked one doctor in one A&E and from that you have deduced it's fair to say that hospitals in general are dead.

Okkkkkkkkkkkkk.

FintanMcluskey · 22-01-2021 5:55pm

Penfailed wrote: »

Apologies. You're correct. It was yer man Ivan not yer man Ivor. My mistake.

Ah yes, Sir Ivan Yates was a voice of reason.

I really enjoyed his show before he mysteriously disappeared

JRant · 22-01-2021 6:00pm

Boggles wrote: »

Nope, currently about 160 odd people on trolleys.

A lot of elective surgeries have been cancelled because of lack of ICU, post emergency care still continues all be it at a reduced rate to avoid crowding.

They have had to start shuffling ICU patients to other hospitals which is never ideal.

If any good comes out of this entire thing hopefully it's a review of how we maintain our ICU capacity in the future and increase what we currently have.

Boggles · 22-01-2021 6:09pm

JRant wrote: »

If any good comes out of this entire thing hopefully it's a review of how we maintain our ICU capacity in the future and increase what we currently have.

The review took place in 2010.

Wasn't acted on.

FrStone · 22-01-2021 6:50pm

What have people planned for their weekend? Thinking of a trip to the beach with the dog for a walk. I need to plan my route to find a beach near a graveyard in case I'm pulled over.

Hopefully a few drinks with some friends Saturday night.

Life is too short for not living. Roll on the vaccines.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 22-01-2021 7:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m in A+E in one of Dublins hospitals right now. I’d rather not say which one, at least until I’m gone. And it’s nothing life threatening or majorly serious.

the time from check in to triage was less than 10 minutes!!!

Time from triage to seeing a doctor was less than 20 minutes!!

This hospital is dead. And the doctor admitted it. He said they are able to do all kinds of tests today because they are so quiet.

While ICU may be busy, it’s definitely fair to say that hospitals in general are dead.

There's a few major factors

1. They've closed so many "elective" procedures that aren't really elective. They will need to be done eventually and people will suffer from the delay.
2. A lot of people avoid hospital for fear of picking up the virus.
3. A&E are getting a lot of extra resources so people aren't hanging around cloggin up hospital and risking picking up the virus.

I do believe a lot of minor A&E treatments could be farmed out to a minor injuries clinic rather than A&E and I hope that something like that is learned from this whole thing.

22-01-2021 7:27pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

There's a few major factors

1. They've closed so many "elective" procedures that aren't really elective. They will need to be done eventually and people will suffer from the delay.
2. A lot of people avoid hospital for fear of picking up the virus.
3. A&E are getting a lot of extra resources so people aren't hanging around cloggin up hospital and risking picking up the virus.

I do believe a lot of minor A&E treatments could be farmed out to a minor injuries clinic rather than A&E and I hope that something like that is learned from this whole thing.

I was in the minor injuries clinic in Santry with my partner a couple of weeks ago and it was absolutely dead, at what would be a typically busy time of day in an emergency room. needed a load of stitches, and was in and out within half an hour, having just rocked up with no prior booking. We should certainly be making more use of them

JRant · 22-01-2021 7:36pm

Boggles wrote: »

The review took place in 2010.

Wasn't acted on.

That's even worse

Boggles · 22-01-2021 8:03pm

New strains are scaring the shít out of European Leaders.

Talks of internal borders been closed.

Time to send a delegation up to Arlene and once and for all try and use the one natural advantage we have.

It would be criminal at this stage to at least not to give it a go.

FintanMcluskey · 22-01-2021 8:11pm

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/super-bowl/2021/01/22/nfl-announces-super-bowl-plans-capacity-fans-health-care-workers/6668729002/

22000 vaccinated folk attending the super bowl.

The end of restrictions is near

CruelSummer · 22-01-2021 8:14pm

Boggles wrote: »

New strains are scaring the shít out of European Leaders.

Talks of internal borders been closed.

Time to send a delegation up to Arlene and once and for all try and use the one natural advantage we have.

It would be criminal at this stage to at least not to give it a go.

The bad news is like an avalanche today:
1. Variant causes higher mortality according to Boris Johnson
2. Vaccine's may as much as 50% less effective against the South African strain which is now in the U.K. according to a leaked webinar from Matt Hancock
3. Forget European travel for the foreseeable

At this point it even looks possible that the 'zero Covid' model is on the table. Have I woken up in an alternative reality?
People idolising Australia despite Melbourne being in lockdown from July to November - despite their zero Covid policy.

Mr. Karate · 22-01-2021 8:20pm

Boggles wrote: »

New strains are scaring the shít out of European Leaders.

Not for same EU leaders to stop immigration. This African strain can't be that bad if they're still bringing boatloads into Europe.

And they wonder why public buy in is gone. Time after time their actions betray their words.

JRant · 22-01-2021 8:32pm

Boggles wrote: »

New strains are scaring the shít out of European Leaders.

Talks of internal borders been closed.

Time to send a delegation up to Arlene and once and for all try and use the one natural advantage we have.

It would be criminal at this stage to at least not to give it a go.

Unless we do something with the borders and very soon at that we are going to get every new strain out there.

Unfortunately it's not just Arlene that's the problem. Our own government have no appetite for this fight. Easier to lock everyone down here and pretend 10's of thousands aren't crossing the border on a regular basis with no testing or quartile.

risteard7 · 22-01-2021 8:32pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m in A+E in one of Dublins hospitals right now. I’d rather not say which one, at least until I’m gone. And it’s nothing life threatening or majorly serious.

the time from check in to triage was less than 10 minutes!!!

Time from triage to seeing a doctor was less than 20 minutes!!

This hospital is dead. And the doctor admitted it. He said they are able to do all kinds of tests today because they are so quiet.

While ICU may be busy, it’s definitely fair to say that hospitals in general are dead.

That has been the case all year but unfortunately people just dont want to believe or hear it. You are better off just agreeing and saying yeah it's crazy, queues out the door.

I've actually spoke to friends who point blank refuse to believe it's quiet, so now I just say yeah it's mental.

uli84 · 22-01-2021 8:35pm

Looks like schools are not opening anytime soon, I made the decision for my son to repeat a year, hopefully the school agrees.
It’s a shame and a massive let down.

CruelSummer · 22-01-2021 8:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m in A+E in one of Dublins hospitals right now. I’d rather not say which one, at least until I’m gone. And it’s nothing life threatening or majorly serious.

the time from check in to triage was less than 10 minutes!!!

Time from triage to seeing a doctor was less than 20 minutes!!

This hospital is dead. And the doctor admitted it. He said they are able to do all kinds of tests today because they are so quiet.

While ICU may be busy, it’s definitely fair to say that hospitals in general are dead.

Best wishes and hope all goes ok

Itsaduck1 · 22-01-2021 9:15pm

Boggles wrote: »

New strains are scaring the shít out of European Leaders.

Talks of internal borders been closed.

Time to send a delegation up to Arlene and once and for all try and use the one natural advantage we have.

It would be criminal at this stage to at least not to give it a go.

Are they not just panicking though?

Pfizer, Moderna and a few other pharma giants have pretty much confirmed vaccines are good against those strains and infections in the UK, Ireland etc are falling fast

I don't believe they are privy to more info than pharma giants, think its all scaremongering myself

funnydoggy · 22-01-2021 9:16pm

Itsaduck1 wrote: »

Are they not just panicking though?

Pfizer, Moderna and a few other pharma giants have pretty much confirmed vaccines are good against those strains and infections in the UK, Ireland etc are falling fast

I don't believe they are privy to more info than pharma giants, think its all scaremongering myself

Boris' govt. deflecting. They've made a balls of it over there and are looking for a scapegoat.

Itsaduck1 · 22-01-2021 9:23pm

funnydoggy wrote: »

Boris' govt. deflecting. They've made a balls of it over there and are looking for a scapegoat.

I don't know if I'd go that far, don't think Boris and other EU leaders could get internal data scientists, virologists and medical experts to go along with that deflecting, they are not gonna lie deliberately?

News out of Israel mass vaccinations and pharma giants are promising

Hard to read between the lines here

Boggles · 22-01-2021 9:25pm

CruelSummer wrote: »

At this point it even looks possible that the 'zero Covid' model is on the table. Have I woken up in an alternative reality?

Zero Covid is probably unattainable.

But...

49% of incoming passengers fail to comply with the locator form

Whatever the absolute horse shít is needs to stop now.

Boggles · 22-01-2021 9:43pm

Itsaduck1 wrote: »

Are they not just panicking though?

Pfizer, Moderna and a few other pharma giants have pretty much confirmed vaccines are good against those strains and infections in the UK, Ireland etc are falling fast

I don't believe they are privy to more info than pharma giants, think its all scaremongering myself

Whether they are not is moot to the proposed strategy.

I'd rather have some protections in place for the next variant which may be angrier, the States is the perfect breeding ground the past 2 months given their level of infection, I wouldn't be surprised if the next one comes from there.

JRant · 22-01-2021 9:48pm

Boggles wrote: »

Zero Covid is probably unattainable.

But...

Whatever the absolute horse shít is needs to stop now.

Vaccines plus a large dollop of wing and a prayer are our only hope here unfortunately.

Itsaduck1 · 22-01-2021 9:51pm

Boggles wrote: »

Whether they are not is moot to the proposed strategy.

I'd rather have some protections in place for the next variant which may be angrier, the States is the perfect breeding ground the past 2 months given their level of infection, I wouldn't be surprised if the next one comes from there.

Agree, its only a good thing closing/making air travel trickier, we should have done that when Lombardy was hit, but that's spilt milk under the bridge at this stage and we might as well learn from our mistakes

Spanish Eyes · 22-01-2021 9:53pm

Ah feck this doom and gloom. But not much we can do.

Think I’ll have a Valium sandwich with a couple of nice brandies for a snack later lol..

Boggles · 22-01-2021 9:58pm

Itsaduck1 wrote: »

Agree, its only a good thing closing/making air travel trickier, we should have done that when Lombardy was hit, but that's spilt milk under the bridge at this stage and we might as well learn from our mistakes

Doesn't look like we are.

Despite this, Mr Varadkar said a system of mandatory quarantine for incoming air and sea passengers would be “disproportionate” and “unworkable”.

Responding to questions from Social Democrats co-leader Catherine Murphy, Mr Varadkar said Ireland has 33,000 people arriving per week, with the vast majority of these people undertaking what he called “essential travel”.

Would love to see a break down of how essential those 33,000 journeys are.

C__MC · 22-01-2021 9:59pm

Society at the moment is grim, extremely grim
I hate it

JRant · 22-01-2021 10:00pm

Boggles wrote: »

Doesn't look like we are.

Would love to see a break down of how essential those 33,000 journeys are.

Do we even know how many cross the border daily?

JRant · 22-01-2021 10:02pm

C__MC wrote: »

Society at the moment is grim, extremely grim
I hate it

Unfortunately it's going to stay grim for a number of months yet.

acequion · 22-01-2021 10:08pm

JRant wrote: »

Unfortunately it's going to stay grim for a number of months yet.

And you know that just how???

Because maybe it won't. Cases are falling and like in every surge they will eventually fall off. Vaccines are here and more are on the way.

Would it kill people to be even the tiniest bit optimistic! Or is doom and gloom a feature of the Irish DNA

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings