Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Graham

Silentcorner wrote: »

We didn't get a summer surge last year.

I hope we won't get one this year either if we get the number of cases under control.

That'll work whatever the weather.

Do people realise that the illness peaked all over Europe in December regardless of restrictions?

Or do they really believe it’s because travel restrictions were eased for a week?

decreds

Come on man,

I'm posting a film that is shockingly similar to our current life in 2021. I do not endorse tin foil hat theories but to dismiss people who questions this illogical situation as a conspiracy theorist is lazy and lacks critical thinking.

I think we can all agree that we should safeguard those vulnerable in case the disease is as deadly to them as they say. Once those over 65/70 are vaccinated everything should open up. Anyone who disagrees has an agenda or hasn't thought about the damage these lock downs are doing to the economy, people's livelihoods, mental and spiritual well being.

Klonker

I think most people aren't expecting or looking for restrictions to be lifted right now (apart from schools and construction that should open ASAP) but it's the government's planned reopening that's the issue. A lot of people are already at breaking point and hearing there won't be any major easing until May is demoralising and hard to take. If we were giving information like we need hospitals numbers at X or icu at Y before we begin lifting restrictions it would be easier take. But hearing MM just say "but the variants" again and again is not helping to explain it to us, especially since there has been thousands of variants so far and probably thousands more. Even case numbers won't be a good measure as we go forward as when the must vulnerable are vaccinated we will be able to accept higher daily cases as less and less will need hospitalisation, ICU or die.

decreds

Graham wrote: »

** cough **

Come on man,

I'm posting a film that is shockingly similar to our current life in 2021. I do not endorse tin foil hat theories but to dismiss people who questions this illogical situation as a conspiracy theorist is lazy and lacks critical thinking.

I think we can all agree that we should safeguard those vulnerable in case the disease is as deadly to them as they say. Once those over 65/70 are vaccinated everything should open up. Anyone who disagrees has an agenda or hasn't thought about the damage these lock downs are doing to the economy, people's livelihoods, mental and spiritual well being.



Link to film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOjDL2FX0_8




Life in 2021 imitates the brilliant Peter Fleischmann's 1979 dystopian masterpiece, Der Hamburger Krankheit, in which Fleischmann examines a scenario where, purely for political and material gain, sociopathic scientists and politicians exploit a bizarre emerging illness to terrorize an otherwise unwitting, neurotic and naively trusting citizenry with a narrative, manufactured absent any basis in science or fact, that the illness is borne of a lethal viral pathogen, causing a global pandemic which requires an increasingly nonsensical and fascistic public health response.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

Do people realise that the illness peaked all over Europe in December regardless of restrictions?

You reckon the virus has worked out how to travel unassisted or do you think it's being moved around by people?

gozunda

Hellrazer wrote: »

It will have the exact same effect as a lockdown!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQU6e-r06Z4

Ah feck it!!

I was just about to post that :pac:

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Is there a group Darwin award nomination online form anywhere?

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

I believe Covid is endemic in the population

I believe in science

Science doesn't believe you.

decreds

Can't believe how many people are brain washed.

Sub-conscious programming is such an effective technique.

Silentcorner

Graham wrote: »

I hope we won't get one this year either if we get the number of cases under control.

That'll work whatever the weather.

Even if we did get a surge between late April and Mid Sept...a chance so remote you couldn't legitimately suggest it with a straight face, our immune systems would be in much better shape to take it, we wouldn't require any where near the same medical treatment.

That is just science.

Being in level 5 in Dec/Jan and still in May is off the wall crazy...that is anti science.

Parachutes

If you don’t agree with the Branch Covidians you are a conspiracy theorist. There’s no point arguing with them.

gozunda

Silentcorner wrote: »

No it doesn't it's science, a winter surge is when viral infections shoot up in the population and drop over a period of a few weeks, it typically happens during what is known as flu season which is typically between Oct-Mid March..it's just science!!!

It happens every year.

And yet the oddest thing was that the peak covid infection here occurred in April. Stranger and stranger this thing ...

Graham

Silentcorner wrote: »

That is just science.

Being in level 5 in Dec/Jan and still in May is off the wall crazy...that is anti science.

Only if you pretend cases didn't go up in December and are now decreasing rapidly.


You'd have to be some kind of special to think it's all down to the weather.

Silentcorner

gozunda wrote: »

And yet the oddest thing was that the peak covid infection here occurred in April. Stranger and stranger this thing ...

I don't know how many times I have had to explain this to you in particular.

We were not testing in March at anywhere near the levels we were in April...it surged in March (the tail end of typical flu season), we have no idea how many people were infected, no idea, it tailed off in April when we started testing everyone and anyone, we were chasing cases all the way up until Dec last year.

The case numbers are misleading.

ypres5

Graham wrote: »

Just pure scaremongering,

it's not scaremongering leo himself said there could be restrictions in winter 21 going into 2022 because of a 4th wave and new variants. it seems like it's going to make **** all difference whether or not people meet up because we're going to be under restrictions anyway

Graham

ypres5 wrote: »

it's not scaremongering leo himself said there could be restrictions in winter 21

read the post I was responding to.

SnuggyBear

This is year is going to be worse than last year. A year later with vaccines and they have a better idea how to treat people. Baffling really.

Silentcorner

Graham wrote: »

Only if you pretend cases didn't go up in December and are now decreasing rapidly.


You'd have to be some kind of special to think it's all down to the weather.

Graham, you are embarrassing yourself.

I have never pretended cases didn't go up in Dec....I said it was inevitable.

I don't know how to even answer your post...you think seasonality has nothing to do with viral infections, good grief!

decreds

Strange commonality, anyone i know who is all for lockdowns is completely leftist, lazy etc.

I have yet to meet anyone who is killing it in all areas openly preach lockdowns.

decreds

Silentcorner wrote: »

Graham, you are embarrassing yourself.

I have never pretended cases didn't go up in Dec....I said it was inevitable.

I don't know how to even answer your post...you think seasonality has nothing to do with viral infections, good grief!

Agreed. Has resorted to childish emotional response, completely lacking critical thinking and credibility within the posts.

Silentcorner

SnuggyBear wrote: »

This is year is going to be worse than last year. A year later with vaccines and they have a better idea how to treat people. Baffling really.

We will be lucky if we get 4-8 weeks of level 2 this year....if they have us in level 5 in May, restricted to 5km, then we can write of next winter as well...until someone puts a stop to these anti science headbangers!

SnuggyBear

decreds wrote: »

Strange commonality, anyone i know who is all for lockdowns is completely leftist, lazy etc.

I have yet to meet anyone who is killing it in all areas openly preach lockdowns.

Yep, same experience. The work shy are loving it.

WhiteMemento9

Deleted User wrote: »

I find your immediate reflex to report, silence and search for grievance, abhorrent.

That aside:

Protesting against race-based police brutality = good.
Pursuing your personal, extreme ideology under the guise of protesting against race-based police brutality in a way that can jeopardise the message of the protests overall = bad.

Protesting against lockdowns that you consider to be inhumane overreach = good.
Pursuing your personal, extreme ideology under the guise of protesting against lockdowns in a way that can jeopardise the message of the protests overall = bad.

The intent of the few doing the "bad" doesn't negate the good intentions of those doing the "good".

I hope that clears that up for you.

Considering I said I had read the post a dozen times I would hardly call it an immediate reaction. When I feel that someone is posting something which threatens people's safety I have no issue with reporting it.

Given what was posted here about the organizers of that protest I found it disturbing that instead of at least acknowledging this you decided to obfuscate the situation with rhetoric designed to allow people to feel alright with banding together with a bunch of complete nutcases. The core organizers and not some happen chance fringe elements.

I hope that clears that up for you.

decreds

Silentcorner wrote: »

We will be lucky if we get 4-8 weeks of level 2 this year....if they have us in level 5 in May, restricted to 5km, then we can write of next winter as well...until someone puts a stop to these anti science headbangers!

We will be in and out of lock downs until at least the next GE.

RonaVirus

I was going to start an "Activities exempt from restrictions thread" thread but it would no doubt get locked so it'll have to do here instead. I'll start:

* Attending BLM protests
* Travelling to scenic locations to meet and dance with your Garda buddies for social media likes
* Attending Muslim "prayer" services
* Being part of a black gang running around harrasing innocent white people
* Holding press conferences in person to assert your authority on the people
* Large gatherings in traveller halting sites/estates

Thread banned

ypres5

Silentcorner wrote: »

**sniggers*** Winter Surges are now a conspiracy theory ***sniggers***

Winter surges happen when our collective immune systems are at their weakest, allowing a sharp rise in infections....that is science.

anything some posters don't like = conspiracy theory. winter surges are a conspiracy theory, luckylloyd should let National geographic know that.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/coronavirus-why-cold-winter-weather-makes-it-harder-to-fight-respiratory-infections?cmpid=int_org=ngp::int_mc=website::int_src=ngp::int_cmp=amp::int_add=amp_readtherest

Silentcorner

ypres5 wrote: »

anything some posters don't like = conspiracy theory. winter surges are a conspiracy theory, luckylloyd should let National geographic know that.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/coronavirus-why-cold-winter-weather-makes-it-harder-to-fight-respiratory-infections?cmpid=int_org=ngp::int_mc=website::int_src=ngp::int_cmp=amp::int_add=amp_readtherest

What is mad is he is not on his own....there's a gang of them on here, not an ounce of shame in them!

ypres5

Boggles wrote: »

Science doesn't believe you.

pop fauci an email boggles and tell him that he's wrong.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4487953001

Graham

decreds wrote: »

LOL good idea but you will be banned in a matter of seconds. It doesn't agree with the agenda.

* not at all a conspiracy theory

ypres5

Silentcorner wrote: »

What is mad is he is not on his own....there's a gang of them on here, not an ounce of shame in them!

i suppose it wasn't spoonfed to them by rte or nphet, the premier experts in everything coronavirus related so they never got the memo

Graham

ypres5 wrote: »

i suppose it wasn't spoonfed to them by rte or nphet, the premier experts in everything coronavirus related so they never got the memo

Yes, ignore the medical experts and reporting around them and listen to some randoms on Boards :pac::pac::pac:

Silentcorner

Graham wrote: »

Yes, ignore the medical experts and reporting around them and listen to some randoms on Boards :pac::pac::pac:

Just to clear this up, it's not Zig and Zag you are considering experts is it?

ypres5

Graham wrote: »

Yes, ignore the medical experts and reporting around them and listen to some randoms on Boards :pac::pac::pac:

we had people on here saying the seasons didn't effect coronaviruses with full conviction and it took a simple Google search on my end to prove them wrong. unless you think you know better like boggles thinks he knows better than Dr fauci who says covid is now endemic

The HorsesMouth

Jesus..I think most people in this thread need to take a breath after the numbers today.

One small blip means absolutely nothing. No more than the 500 odd cases reported two weeks ago meant anything.
Wait until you see, in 7 or 8 weeks time we will see really really good numbers coming in terms of ICU and hospitalisations. The data from Israel is so good. We will be in a completely differently place in that time space.
I would take any negative story or spin about the variants, cases, restrictions etc with a pinch of salt from here on in.
That's not to say we won't be in level 5 restrictions for those 7 or 8 weeks but if you were told that we have to do it until then and then we open up and stay open up from end if April on and never go back would you take it? I certainly would and that's whats gonna happen.

Boggles

ypres5 wrote: »

pop fauci an email boggles and tell him that he's wrong.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4487953001

Why would I do that, he is completely spot on.

From your link.

We need to plan that this is something we may need to maintain control over chronically. It may be something that becomes endemic, that we have to just be careful about

Beasty

And so onto Part IX