Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

aziz

Seems the Dutch have a problem with the pcr tests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ8-GWjR0Zo&feature=youtu.be

Seweryn

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

PCR doesnt seem to be any good? But we base lockdown decisions on it?

The test (sorry, as the name says - a Chain Reaction) should have never been used to accurately detect this or any virus. I guess most people know this by now. However as it has been proven it is a perfect manipulation tool for the Governments to apply restrictions as they please.

Bring the number of cycles up - the cases are "on the rise". Implement the vaccination programme together with lowering the cycle number on the "test" and the result is a lower number of cases. The vaccine "works"...

aziz

aziz wrote: »

Seems the Dutch have a problem with the pcr tests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ8-GWjR0Zo&feature=youtu.be

Or a problem with a few Gemma's

Gradius

aziz wrote: »

Seems the Dutch have a problem with the pcr tests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ8-GWjR0Zo&feature=youtu.be

Stuff coming apart in parts of Belgium and Germany too.

Government's are beginning to pay the price for the half-arsed approach.

No clear plan, reactionary steps, contradictions. And worst of all, no results.

People will work together toward a goal, no matter the difficulty, but with no goal your credibility is blasted.

All predictable as anything, saw it coming from miles away

Seweryn

Seweryn wrote: »

The test (sorry, as the name says - a Chain Reaction) should have never been used to accurately detect this or any virus. I guess most people know this by now. However as it has been proven it is a perfect manipulation tool for the Governments to apply restrictions as they please.

Bring the number of cycles up - the cases are "on the rise". Implement the vaccination programme together with lowering the cycle number on the "test" and the result is a lower number of cases. The vaccine "works"...

It has do be called, you are wither deliberately lying or buying the propaganda of those deliberately lying.

The test is a tool. A tool is only as good as the methods used to apply the tool. All the issues around CT are addressed in the guidance

Boggles

Seweryn wrote: »

The test (sorry, as the name says - a Chain Reaction) should have never been used to accurately detect this or any virus. I guess most people know this by now. However as it has been proven it is a perfect manipulation tool for the Governments to apply restrictions as they please.

Bring the number of cycles up - the cases are "on the rise". Implement the vaccination programme together with lowering the cycle number on the "test" and the result is a lower number of cases. The vaccine "works"...

The thread has just descended into conspiracy nonsense.

I don't see what a right minded individual would have to gain during this by submersing themselves in it.

Sad to see.

Windmill100000

Seweryn wrote: »

The way I see it is that if they tell us up front we are to be imprisoned for the next one or ten years, the restrictions wouldn't last until the end of the week, because there would be a revolution. But the way they have it "engineered"... :cool:

You think this will go for 10 years? Why does everything have to be exaggerated all the time. It just weakens the point being made every time.

Ginger n Lemon

aziz wrote: »

Seems the Dutch have a problem with the pcr tests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ8-GWjR0Zo&feature=youtu.be

Happening all over Europe.

This is the future. Whether you like it or not. Inaction at the very start of this hysteria is the result of this.

Only a very naive individual would think that 1 day Tony will magically say "I am not concerned about covid cases today"

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

You are great at not reading anything which doesnt confirm your bias.

Just on asymptomatic cases



That's just a portion of the document which addresses all concerns raised about the test method

Can you please reply true or false to below 2 points?

3. However, PCR does not distinguish between viable virus and non-infectious RNA.
4. In individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2, PCR can often detect viral RNA for many days
and weeks after the resolution of the clinical syndrome.

a very simple true or false.

No need to divert conversation into talking about healthy sick people with no symptoms. that phenomenon is well documented now.

Seweryn

Windmill100000 wrote: »

You think this will go for 10 years? Why does everything have to be exaggerated all the time. It just weakens the point being made every time.

Remember the two weeks in March to flatten the curve which got exaggerated until 25th of January the following year and still ongoing?

Penfailed

Seweryn wrote: »

Remember the two weeks in March to flatten the curve which got exaggerated until 25th of January the following year and still ongoing?

We haven't been locked down since the first two weeks in March.

Ginger n Lemon

Penfailed wrote: »

We haven't been locked down since the first two weeks in March.

I ll pass on your message to alcohol only pubs in Dublin.

Pen, when can we expect to hear your "light restrictions" reference to our lockdowns? That was some laugh

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Can you please reply true or false to below 2 points?

3. However, PCR does not distinguish between viable virus and non-infectious RNA.
4. In individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2, PCR can often detect viral RNA for many days
and weeks after the resolution of the clinical syndrome.

a very simple true or false.

No need to divert conversation into talking about healthy sick people with no symptoms. that phenomenon is well documented now.

Its addressed in the document. You cannot conclude on any topic based on a single sentence. Oversimplification and misrepresentation are the only tactics ye seem to have

one armed dwarf

Seweryn wrote: »

Remember the two weeks in March to flatten the curve which got exaggerated until 25th of January the following year and still ongoing?

To be honest anyone paying attention to this thing and the trajectory of previous pandemics knew that the 2 weeks thing was a load of BS

Ginger n Lemon

Anyways to the new poster here who wants to know or see what the endgame is

this is it

This is not Zimbabwe. Or Uganda. This is Netherlands. 2 hours flight from here. 1 of the key EU countries.

If you see that, now, after barely 9 months of this covid nonsense, can you imagine what will be happening after 12 months or 15 or 18?


at 0:25 there is an incredible scene

Allinall

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Anyways to the new poster here who wants to know or see what the endgame is

this is it

This is not Zimbabwe. Or Uganda. This is Netherlands. 2 hours flight from here. 1 of the key EU countries.

If you see that, now, after barely 9 months of this covid nonsense, can you imagine what will be happening after 12 months or 15 or 18?


at 0:25 there is an incredible scene

Are you hoping for scenes like that in ireland?

paw patrol

one armed dwarf wrote: »

To be honest anyone paying attention to this thing and the trajectory of previous pandemics knew that the 2 weeks thing was a load of BS

honestly i knew sod all about pandemics . It's been an eye opener.

was a kid when we'd moving statues in Ireland - so I don't recall much about pubic hysteria either

Ginger n Lemon

Allinall wrote: »

Are you hoping for scenes like that in ireland?

Nah.

What I am hoping for is other modern EU nations coming to their senses and avoiding riots by actually relaxing the measures, and Ireland sheepishly following other nations. As we have done since March 2020.

1 thing I am definitely not hoping for is Tony H saying on 6.01 PM that covid is not a concern anymore and other actual emergencies such as rising suicides, cancer deaths and mental illness need to be addressed asap. Hoping for that is living in cuckoo land , if last 10 months are anything to go by.

Baggly

Seweryn wrote: »

The test (sorry, as the name says - a Chain Reaction) should have never been used to accurately detect this or any virus. I guess most people know this by now. However as it has been proven it is a perfect manipulation tool for the Governments to apply restrictions as they please.

Bring the number of cycles up - the cases are "on the rise". Implement the vaccination programme together with lowering the cycle number on the "test" and the result is a lower number of cases. The vaccine "works"...

Mod

Take it to Conspiracy Theories please.

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I ll pass on your message to alcohol only pubs in Dublin.

Yeah, pubs closed in Dublin doesn't equate to a lockdown.

Ginger n Lemon

Penfailed wrote: »

Yeah, pubs closed in Dublin doesn't equate to a lockdown.

What does it equate to?

Boggles

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Nah.

What I am hoping for is other modern EU nations coming to their senses and avoiding riots by actually relaxing the measures

Riots had very little to do with restrictions, I very much doubt the scum throwing paving stones at the police were gainfully employed before the pandemic.

Cosplay nazi's and criminals used the sit down protest to be violent criminals.

A fair chunk of them got arrested the rest were moved on.

Job done.

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

Its addressed in the document. You cannot conclude on any topic based on a single sentence. Oversimplification and misrepresentation are the only tactics ye seem to have

The PCR test “is unable to determine, beyond reasonable doubt, that a positive result corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus”, said the Lisbon Court of Appeal.

The judges concluded by stating that: “The problem is that this reliability is shown, in terms of scientific evidence (and in this field, the judge will have to rely on the knowledge of experts in the field), as being more than debatable.

“Thus, with so many scientific doubts, expressed by experts in the field, which are the ones that matter here, as to the reliability of such tests, ignoring the parameters of their performance and there being no diagnosis made by a doctor, in the sense of existence of infection and risk, it would never be possible for this court to determine that C ... had the SARS-CoV-2 virus, nor that A., B ... and D ... had high risk exposure,” concluded the judgement in relation to the case which has ultimately calls into question the reliability of the tests.

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2020-11-27/covid-pcr-test-reliability-doubtful-portugal-judges/56962

Nothing to simplify.

PS note its courts of Appeal.

These desperate desperate scientists pursuing science that they cant clearly prove or show.

Ginger n Lemon

Boggles wrote: »

Riots had very little to do with restrictions, I very much doubt the scum throwing paving stones at the police were gainfully employed before the pandemic.

Cosplay nazi's and criminals used the sit down protest to be violent criminals.

A fair chunk of them got arrested the rest were moved on.

Job done.

Jaysus Boggles. Are you trying to convince yourself that protests will go away?

You are in for 1 difficult year.

Boggles

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Jaysus Boggles. Are you trying to convince yourself that protests will go away?

You are in for 1 difficult year.

I merely pointed out to you the reality of what happened.

Decent people don't throw paving stones at other people. Scum bags do.

You do agree with that, yes?

If you are hoping that will happen in Ireland, you are the one that will be disappointed.

You may have pockets of nutters, but there are not protesters, they are violent criminals and as such should be dealt with by the police.

Turtwig

Anyone recall when seismologists were charged with manslaughter for not predicting Earthquakes? That's what reading the last few pages of this thread has been like.

froog

BredonWimsey wrote: »

IMO curfews are better as there is still a semblance of life for a few hours of the day. rather than being locked down in your house for weeks on end

that sounds great. except none of the curfew countries are doing that. it's a lockdown + curfew. i.e. stricter lockdown than ireland.

froog

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53640249

France: Tighter nationwide curfew
France has had a curfew in place since December which restricted movement between 20:00 and 06:00, but this was tightened on 16 January, with a new national curfew from 18:00. Shops and businesses must close by then and everyone must be at home.

Schools are open with extra testing in place.

Anyone arriving in France from outside the EU must have a negative test for the virus within 72 hours of their travel into France, self-isolate for seven days and test negative again.

Bars, restaurants, theatres, cinemas and ski resorts remain shut.

Germany: Further restrictions expected
Germany introduced a new nationwide lockdown on 16 December.

Non-essential shops, businesses such as hairdressers, and schools are closed. Restaurants, bars and leisure centres also remain shut.

Private meetings are limited to one other person from a separate household.

Further tightening of restrictions, such as a curfew and partial shutdown of public transport, could be announced after a meeting between Chancellor Merkel and state leaders on 19 January.

Greece: Nurseries and primary schools reopen
Greece has been in a strict lockdown since November, when it imposed a curfew between 22:00 and 05:00 and shut shops, nurseries, and primary and secondary schools.

The lockdown helped to contain a new surge in infections and, in January, nurseries and primary schools were allowed to reopen.

The government is considering whether to reopen shops and other parts of the economy as well.

Italy: High school students allowed to return
A nationwide curfew from 22:00 to 05:00 remains in place, travel between Italy's 20 regions is banned until 15 February, and mask-wearing is mandatory in public, both indoors and outdoors, across the nation.

Three areas of the country, including Lombardy, are in the highest (red) tier, with only essential shops allowed to open and everything else closed.

However, high school students have now been allowed to return to normal lessons, although they are divided into groups and full classroom occupancy is not allowed. Remote learning has been in place since October.

Spain: Curfew and other measures to continue
Spain is under a nationwide curfew until early May 2021.

People are only allowed out in that period to go to work, for education, to buy medicine, or care for elderly people or children.

Regional leaders can modify curfew times and can also close regional borders for travel.

Anyone aged over six must wear a face covering on public transport and in indoor public spaces nationwide. They are also compulsory outdoors in many regions.

Portugal: New lockdown under way
Mainland Portugal entered a new lockdown on 15 January, for the first time since early May.

Remote working is compulsory, non-essential shops and services must close and cafes and restaurants are limited to takeaways and home deliveries only.

This time, however, schools are staying open.

The lockdown is expected to last at least a month, but it will be reviewed after two weeks.

Netherlands: Schools shut and no travel abroad
Dutch lockdown measures will continue until at least 9 February.

All non-essential shops, cinemas, hairdressers, gyms and schools are closed.

Denmark: Lockdown extended
Denmark has extended its lockdown, imposed in December, until 7 February.

All shops and other businesses will remain closed apart from supermarkets and pharmacies.

Restrictions include the closure of schools and universities, and home-working for most people.

A maximum of five people can meet in a public space and and face masks are mandatory in indoor public areas.

Kunta Kinte

Boggles wrote: »

I merely pointed out to you the reality of what happened.

Decent people don't throw paving stones at other people. Scum bags do.

You do agree with that, yes?

If you are hoping that will happen in Ireland, you are the one that will be disappointed.

You may have pockets of nutters, but there are not protesters, they are violent criminals and as such should be dealt with by the police.

The police should have used tear gas on those scrotes. Maybe even stronger measures.

Boggles

Me_Grapes wrote: »

I defo think that anyone who steps out of the 5k radius of their house should be given the electric chair!

Nah. I think just being asked to return back is sufficient.

Any scum that throws a paving stone at anyone else should be belted and have a dog set on them.

You know, as a deterrent not to do it again.

Wouldn't you agree?

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

Riots had very little to do with restrictions, I very much doubt the scum throwing paving stones at the police were gainfully employed before the pandemic.

Cosplay nazi's and criminals used the sit down protest to be violent criminals.

A fair chunk of them got arrested the rest were moved on.

Job done.

Make no mistake, anti restrictions demonstrators are far left.

The cleverest thing the media did was convince the world they were far right.

Kunta Kinte

Boggles wrote: »

Nah. I think just being asked to return back is sufficient.

Any scum that throws a paving stone at anyone else should be belted and have a dog set on them.

You know, as a deterrent not to do it again.

Wouldn't you agree?

A good tasering or two followed by a huge fine might send the proper message too.

Mr. Karate

Allinall wrote: »

Are you hoping for scenes like that in ireland?

Hopefully the Govt will come to their senses and realize that these seemingly never ending cycle of months long lockdowns followed by a slow crawl of re-openings only to lockdown for months again isn't working before it comes to that here.

froog

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Make no mistake, anti restrictions demonstrators are far left.

The cleverest thing the media did was convince the world they were far right.

it's a mixed bunch to be honest. you have the rent a mob SF element (left) mixed in with the conspiracy theory nutjob headbanger element (mostly right, thanks america)

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

What does it equate to?

Closed pubs.

emeldc

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Anyways to the new poster here who wants to know or see what the endgame is


at 0:25 there is an incredible scene

I think the ironic thing in that video is the shop that got destroyed at the end was probably one of the only shops that was actually open. Go figure.
How is it that modern day 'protesters' all seem to wear scumbag hoodie uniforms. Probably because they're just scumbags.

FintanMcluskey

froog wrote: »

it's a mixed bunch to be honest. you have the rent a mob SF element (left) mixed in with the conspiracy theory nutjob headbanger element (mostly right, thanks america)

To be pedantic by definition

Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism".

I know it’s irrelevant but the media have reversed the definition in some articles I’ve seen by referring to anti restriction demonstrators as far right

growleaves

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

The police should have used tear gas on those scrotes. Maybe even stronger measures.

What like rubber bullets?

The lockdown regime isn't even a year old and its already turning into one of the most brittle status quos in history.

Kunta Kinte

emeldc wrote: »

I think the ironic thing in that video is the shop that got destroyed at the end was probably one of the only shops that was actually open. Go figure.
How is it that modern day 'protesters' all seem to wear scumbag hoodie uniforms. Probably because they're just scumbags.

Looks like it was looted as well. And a poster here is cheerleading this sort of scum behaviour. Speaks volumes.

inforfun

There were 2 separate groups at play yesterday in The Netherlands.
1 that demonstrated against the curfew and once the police got involved as in that clip, a 2nd group took their chance to riot and loot.

Because this is also The Netherlands 2021:

https://twitter.com/banananases/status/1353359045000720385


(18 stitches and skull fracturel the result)

MOH

froog wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53640249

Yeah, that article also claims that in the Ireland section that pubs are open for takeaway. There's at least one other error in it (albeit probably an omission for brevity). It also seems to think that "level 5" is an actual level of restrictions here, as opposed to a blanket term for whatever arbitrary combination are in force at any one time.

So I wouldn't take its description of any other country as gospel.

Kunta Kinte

growleaves wrote: »

What like rubber bullets?

The lockdown regime isn't even a year old and its already turning into one of the most brittle status quos in history.

By any means necessary to deal with scum behaviour.

Ginger n Lemon

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

By any means necessary to deal with scum behaviour.

Are you serious?

Is this what 3 lockdowns do a to a person - create this need for violence at all costs just to calm some "protestors" down?

What will you be suggesting after 5th lockdown?? just shoot on sight?

I hope you are joking btw otherwise this is pretty horrifying.

Ginger n Lemon

inforfun wrote: »

There were 2 separate groups at play yesterday in The Netherlands.
1 that demonstrated against the curfew and once the police got involved as in that clip, a 2nd group took their chance to riot and loot.

Because this is also The Netherlands 2021:

https://twitter.com/banananases/status/1353359045000720385


(18 stitches and skull fracturel the result)

Wow. mind blowing.

Kunta Kinte

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

By any means necessary to deal with scum behaviour.

Funny how people who claim they are tying to “save lives” and “do the right thing” are the ones who keep talking about water cannons, tasers and rubber bullets. Generally while earning a full salary.

The other crowd would just like it if they could work and have their freedom again.

As I said before, when the government burn this country to the ground, I’ll sleep well knowing that I didn’t support this nonsense whatsoever.

emeldc

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Are you serious?

Is this what 3 lockdowns do a to a person - create this need for violence at all costs just to calm some "protestors" down?

What will you be suggesting after 5th lockdown?? just shoot on sight?

I hope you are joking btw otherwise this is pretty horrifying.

How would you feel if it was your shop that they destroyed.

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Are you serious?

Is this what 3 lockdowns do a to a person - create this need for violence at all costs just to calm some "protestors" down?

What will you be suggesting after 5th lockdown?? just shoot on sight?

I hope you are joking btw otherwise this is pretty horrifying.

It’s actually very sad that people have become this.

I hope the government have representatives viewing these pages so they can see how bad the problem has become.

Some people will need some serious counselling and help before they can properly rejoin society.

Ginger n Lemon

emeldc wrote: »

How would you feel if it was your shop that they destroyed.

Couldnt care less. There is a thing called insurance, that is actually required btw.

_Kaiser_

Evening all,

Back after being away for the last week while I was getting over my cataract surgery (which went really well thankfully).

FYI.. despite my relaxed-yet-practical attitude to this whole mess, I passed the required CV-19 test with flying colours as I knew I would. Never had symptoms, live alone, WFH and will continue to do so with as little disruption as I can manage.

Just wish I could have paid for the vaccine while I was up there. I want to fully get back to my life and will probably be waiting a long time yet here.

emeldc

emeldc wrote: »

How would you feel if it was your shop that they destroyed.

If you had a shop in Ireland, you’d never be allowed to open it anyways!

A good looting might get you a decent insurance pay out.