Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

MOR316

francogarbanzo wrote: »

It's not going on and on because some people are not following the rules. It's going on and on despite the vast majority of people following them.

This is the thing that people are missing...

NPHET are firmly in control now...I said this before last summer, Ronan Glynn getting giddy at the prospect of going out for a walk...

Not a meal, not a pint, not a "staycation" a ****ing walk...
That's the level and train of thought you're up against here...

90%, maybe 95% of people have followed the restrictions for nearly 12 months now and there is no plan to come out of it. Only whatever NPHET say and considering Holohan was happy enough to have a conference with medical people from all over Europe, in Croke Park last Easter, to talk about his hatred of alcohol and dismiss the virus as not a big deal, whilst going on "Dermot and Dave" to have his belly rubbed by those two morons, along with Rover's excitement for a walk and their collective hesitancy and "concern" over opening last summer, it's not too far fetched to suggest it'll be longer than you think before these restrictions are lifted

growleaves

kilns wrote: »

Did you read what I wrote?

Its all about a responsible society and unfortunately Ireland has a huge amount of irresponsible people.

Yes, I understand your reasoning perfectly. You are 'working backwards' from a theory of causality, which in your mind the case numbers 'prove' that x number of people have been irresponsible.

In fact there could be multiple reasons why Switzerland has lower case numbers.

Either way, its funny your being so adamant about extinguishing freedom when you'll soon be on a beach in Naples or wherever sunning yourself. But its okay because we're all in it together :pac:

Jackman25

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Will you go away out of that with your common sense.

"Personal responsibility"? lol. These boardsies are seeking love and support. It's a cry for help in my considered opinion.

Rich from the lad whose every post is a cry for attention.

timmyntc

kilns wrote: »

I just gave you a prime example

and yes the vast majority are a much more responsible society than Ireland, you just have to look at simple things like crime and littering even

Your prime example was "sometimes bad people throw house parties"? :rolleyes:

So people dont have house parties in Switzerland? Sounds like a very boring place

Kermit.de.frog

If we all play our part we will be fully back to normal at some point in 2025 2022.

Eye on the prize :cool:

kilns

growleaves wrote: »

Yes, I understand your reasoning perfectly. You are 'working backwards' from a theory of causality, which in your mind the case numbers 'prove' that x number of people have been irresponsible.

In fact there could be multiple reasons why Switzerland has lower case numbers.

Either way, its funny your being so adamant about extinguishing freedom when you'll soon be on a beach in Naples or wherever sunning yourself. But its okay because we're all in it together :pac:

You are missing the point, the number cases are even irrelevant. It is the Irish pyshche in general, some just dont want to be told what to do, you give some people like posters here an inch and they will take a mile and ruin it for the geniune people perhaps like you who may take that inch and go about their daily lives

Bigfatmichael

Kermit the government eased restrictions at Christmas which is the absolute worst possible time of year to do it.

54000 people also arrived into the state over Christmas and I doubt the 54000 people did their 14 day quarantine.

Maybe it's time to realize the government are not up to the task.

Real Donald Trump

Can't open construction too soon because other people will want to play golf :rolleyes:

Loafing Oaf

timmyntc wrote: »

Once we have the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated the hospital admissions will plummet and there is no reason not to open things up.

And they will be opened up at that point, or very shortly thereafter. But we could be several months away from that point yet, depending on how you define 'vulnerable'.

kilns

kilns wrote: »

some just dont want to be told what to do

Horrors.

mohawk

Many people are taking issue with the manner of the restrictions being extended came about. I think there is more wrong here than this.

When it comes to restrictions people can only comply with higher level restrictions for a limited amount of time. Most of us know there has to be some level of restrictions. You will get better compliance at the lower levels of restrictions. The longer Level 5 goes on the more socially acceptable it becomes to break the rules.

Right now the cases are falling but at the progress is slow. At the rate they are falling it’s too long for people to stick to the restrictions. January to May with very limited social contact with others is too much for the majority of people. Social contact with others is not a want it’s a human need and this need is not being met sufficiently for many people.

At this point it’s clear Level 5 is not effective for quickly pushing cases down. There should of been a harder lockdown. This hard lockdown should be short. I am talking about no take aways, only supermarkets, pharmacies open. Reduction in number of business’s deemed essential, no NCT’s, driving tests etc. Most people could tolerate and stick to it provided they know that it has an end date and what to expect next. The harder the lockdown the more you interfere with chains of transmission. As it’s short it becomes socially unacceptable to break the rules.

There are many more issues with how NHPET and government are handling this but endless Level 5 is madness.

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Horrors.

Apparently for some.

kilns

timmyntc wrote: »

Your prime example was "sometimes bad people throw house parties"? :rolleyes:

So people dont have house parties in Switzerland? Sounds like a very boring place

Your point about Switzerland not being a more responsible population was what I was referring to and I was referring to a recent vote to increase mandatory work holidays but overwhelmingly defeated as productivity of the country would be effected. Tell me how that would go in Ireland?

People (any that I know of or have seen or read about) currently dont have house parties because it would be a stupid thing to do

bettyoleary

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

Kermit the government eased restrictions at Christmas which is the absolute worst possible time of year to do it.

54000 people also arrived into the state over Christmas and I doubt the 54000 people did their 14 day quarantine.

Maybe it's time to realize the government are not up to the task.

Yes but by this time it should have sunk in to the thickest head it isnt safe to do this. Therefore, no matter what the govt said , it was peoples own choices and they choose to do what suited them and risk lives. As a result lots of people lost their lives. Its unfortunate that we have people who will always do what suits them without a care for anyone else. But, luckily we have people who wont and this will always be our saving grace.

Kermit.de.frog

mohawk wrote: »

Many people are taking issue with the manner of the restrictions being extended came about. I think there is more wrong here than this.

When it comes to restrictions people can only comply with higher level restrictions for a limited amount of time. Most of us know there has to be some level of restrictions. You will get better compliance at the lower levels of restrictions. The longer Level 5 goes on the more socially acceptable it becomes to break the rules.

Right now the cases are falling but at the progress is slow. At the rate they are falling it’s too long for people to stick to the restrictions. January to May with very limited social contact with others is too much for the majority of people. Social contact with others is not a want it’s a human need and this need is not being met sufficiently for many people.

At this point it’s clear Level 5 is not effective for quickly pushing cases down. There should of been a harder lockdown. This hard lockdown should be short. I am talking about no take aways, only supermarkets, pharmacies open. Reduction in number of business’s deemed essential, no NCT’s, driving tests etc. Most people could tolerate and stick to it provided they know that it has an end date and what to expect next. The harder the lockdown the more you interfere with chains of transmission. As it’s short it becomes socially unacceptable to break the rules.

There are many more issues with how NHPET and government are handling this but endless Level 5 is madness.

Agree. I have been advocating level 9 for some time to speed things up.

MOR316

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

Kermit the government eased restrictions at Christmas which is the absolute worst possible time of year to do it.

54000 people also arrived into the state over Christmas and I doubt the 54000 people did their 14 day quarantine.

Maybe it's time to realize the government are not up to the task.

Vast majority of those came in before Christmas week...It was rampant in places like Dundalk and Drogheda long before the figures were released.

That wasn't the fault of hospitality or retail. O'Donoghue's didn't create the UK strain...

Kermit.de.frog

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

Kermit the government eased restrictions at Christmas which is the absolute worst possible time of year to do it.

54000 people also arrived into the state over Christmas and I doubt the 54000 people did their 14 day quarantine.

Maybe it's time to realize the government are not up to the task.

I have been berating the government over Christmas ever since! It was a terrible mistake.

mohawk

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

Kermit the government eased restrictions at Christmas which is the absolute worst possible time of year to do it.

54000 people also arrived into the state over Christmas and I doubt the 54000 people did their 14 day quarantine.

Maybe it's time to realize the government are not up to the task.

Don’t forget we knew there would be a January Lockdown so we knew we had a short window to get haircuts, go out for a meal, meet friends and family etc.

Hooked

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If we all play our part we will be fully back to normal at some point in 2025 2022.

Eye on the prize :cool:

I'll be fully back to normal again tomorrow... watching Liverpool vs Everton with the lads having a few beers... We're all in our 40's and able to decide for ourselves with regards to taking calculated risks with a flu-like virus, which has a 99.91% survival rate (in IRELAND) with under 65's.

Joseph Goebbels (Mr. Nazi propaganda) was asked at the Nuremberg trials:
"how did you dupe so many Germans", to which he replied: "it's amazing what you can get people to do when they are in a state of true fear"

copeyhagen

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Agree. I have been advocating level 9 for some time to speed things up.

tongue in cheek, but i like it.

Whatsisname

malinheader wrote: »

They are blaming the extended lockdown on the UK strain being around 90% of the covid cases in the country now.
If the south African strain gets a grip here I suspect we will be locked down for good.

Ironically this super covid 2.0 UK style has the UK's current R number between 0.6 to 0.9. The lowest the R number here has ever been estimated to be. All these mutated variants are a load of nonsense.

C__MC

Remember last April when people though lockdown was great, jez there was some gibberish posted on social media by people

timmyntc

kilns wrote: »

Your point about Switzerland not being a more responsible population was what I was referring to and I was referring to a recent vote to increase mandatory work holidays but overwhelmingly defeated as productivity of the country would be effected. Tell me how that would go in Ireland?

People (any that I know of or have seen or read about) currently dont have house parties because it would be a stupid thing to do

Its impossible to tell because it hasnt happened. However seeing as we have one of the lowest numbers of public holidays in the EU, it wouldnt be totally irresponsible to vote for that proposal.

I guarantee people are still having house parties in Switzerland, those typical Swiss are always on the piss with their toblerones and mechanical watches.

gozunda

SusieBlue wrote: »

Your comments would be fair if we were two weeks into this but a whole year has passed, and we have nothing but another 3 months+ of heavy lockdown to look forward to.People have sacrificed a huge amount over the last year and there is only so much they can take. You can’t curtail personal freedoms, limit movement, keep half a million people out of work and isolate people from their family and friends for 12 months and not expect to see some push back eventually.

You talk as if people are robots. It is absolutely not selfish to want to spend time with your loved ones after 8 weeks of not seeing them and a whole year of not being allowed to see them for months at a time.

We are little more than a month out from having the highest rates of infection in the world.

And all because of the pressure of people demanding a break for Christmas when rules around household mixing were eased, and limits on travel between counties temporarily lifted and as result we got shafted with rising numbers of people infected with Covid. And add to this a new more infectious strain of the virus, first detected in the UK, spreading here and the current case numbers now being difficult to get back down

'But fuk it I haven't seen my friends since Christmas' ...

I mean what could possibly go wrong ...

:rolleyes:

timmyntc

bettyoleary wrote: »

Yes but by this time it should have sunk in to the thickest head it isnt safe to do this. Therefore, no matter what the govt said , it was peoples own choices and they choose to do what suited them and risk lives. As a result lots of people lost their lives. Its unfortunate that we have people who will always do what suits them without a care for anyone else. But, luckily we have people who wont and this will always be our saving grace.

Everything you do in life is a risk you know - simply living your life is a risk.

The idea that we should all be as risk averse as possible is stupid. I'd hate to see what exciting things a risk averse person as yourself gets up to.

ceadaoin.

Whatsisname wrote: »

Ironically this super covid 2.0 UK style has the UK's current R number between 0.6 to 0.9. The lowest the R number here has ever been estimated to be. All these mutated variants are a load of nonsense.

Yeah its said to be on the way to being the dominant strain in the US also yet cases are falling at rates never seen before despite not many places being under lockdowns

timmyntc

gozunda wrote: »

We are little more than a month out from having the highest rates of infection in the world.

And all because of the pressure of people demanding a break for Christmas when rules around household mixing were eased, and limits on travel between counties temporarily lifted and as result we got shafted with rising numbers of people infected with Covid. And add to this a new more infectious strain of the virus, first detected in the UK, spreading here and the current case numbers now being difficult to get back down

'But fuk it I haven't seen my friends since Christmas' ...

I mean what could possibly go wrong ...

:rolleyes:

Hmm.. maybe, just maybe, theres some connection between the months of tough restrictions before christmas - and all the socialising people did once restrictions were lifted (at christmas)? :pac:

kilns

timmyntc wrote: »

Its impossible to tell because it hasnt happened. However seeing as we have one of the lowest numbers of public holidays in the EU, it wouldnt be totally irresponsible to vote for that proposal.

I guarantee people are still having house parties in Switzerland, those typical Swiss are always on the piss with their toblerones and mechanical watches.

You know exactly how it would vote, Irish workers get 20 days holiday mandatory if working full time, Switzerland the exact same.

By the way Ireland have more public holidays than Switzerland and if a Swiss public Holiday ( example August 1st National Day or Chirstmas Day and the 26th falls on Saturday and Sunday this year) falls on Saturday or Sunday its tough luck.

Anyway the point being, Ireland can be a selfish society, me included when I was at home, but my eyes were opened when living in a different society about doing things that are better for the country as a whole not the individual

C__MC

The majority of Irish people are puppets controlled and in a fear of an awful government
If they were told to go the Dingle to look for Fungi by MM, they would

Silentcorner

timmyntc wrote: »

Hmm.. maybe, just maybe, theres some connection between the months of tough restrictions before christmas - and all the socialising people did once restrictions were lifted (at christmas)? :pac:

Not a single country in this part of the world have avoided a winter surge, no matter what the restrictions.

These lockdown advocates think we should have stayed in level 5 right through from the 3rd week in Oct to May it seems....utterly psychotic stuff.

No matter when we opened, no matter what we did, we were getting a winter surge.