Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

MOH

gozunda wrote: »

But yes you really do have a talent for reading things only as you want to see them. :rolleyes:

How ironic :rolleyes:

gozunda wrote: »

Do keep up - This is a discussion not a mathematical thread. Its bloody obvious I'm using the colloquial meaning of the word - ie
"(with reference to an increase) more and more rapidly" (online Dictionary)

Why so? Because by reason of currently being in the highest level of restrictions. And apropos to what happened after our last peak in April 2020 when case numbers went down fairly quickly following similar restrictions.

But if you like a discussion of mathematical terms => mathematics forum thataway

If you spent less time trying to backseat mod people are more time actually reading your own and other people's posts, you might have a better grasp on the discussion.

I was using exactly that colloquial definition of the term. Cases don't decrease "more and more rapidly". Exactly the opposite: the rate of decrease slows - they decrease less and less rapidly over time. As they did in April. And October. As is "bloody obvious" from the graph of cases over time which I actually went to the trouble of including in my previous post.

You're talking absolutely nonsense.

end of the road

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

House party time!!!

Need a living with Covid not shut up shop plan.

a living with covid plan is what we have.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Beasty wrote: »

What's your source for this claim?

Ive been told by two separate doctors. Because you don't show symptoms it's easier to pass it on. It's fairly simple.

amandstu

Deleted User wrote: »

You can meet one other household outdoors for exercise

Thanks .Does that mean two households can ,socially distanced meet up out of doors for exercise (ie a walk)?

Is there any restricton on how many from either household can take part?

Boggles

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Ive been told by two separate doctors. Because you don't show symptoms it's easier to pass it on. It's fairly simple.

Sorry 2 separate Doctors said you have more of a chance of catching Covid 19 from a vaccinated person?

You do know they were talking complete bollíx, right?

Boggles

amandstu wrote: »

Thanks .Does that mean two households can ,socially distanced meet up out of doors for exercise (ie a walk)?

Is there any restricton on how many from either household can take part?

No.

People may meet with people from one other household in outdoor settings when taking exercise

In England it's only one per household plus a child if they are under 5.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry 2 separate Doctors said you have more of a chance of catching Covid 19 from a vaccinated person?

You do know they were talking complete bollíx, right?

We had a Q and A with them before taking the vaccine, one of the questions was "can I visit my parents after I take the vaccine' and the answer was a resounding no because with the vaccine you're less likely to show symptoms if you have it and therefore easier to pass on.

I really really don't get why this is news to anyone?

It was in response to the poster who asked if their neighbour was vaccinated so they could go on a jog with them....

So yeah..you're talking bollocks unless you can prove otherwise.

normanoffside

wakka12 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1362749107719319554
And Italy right now
Well it is looking like Ireland really will be last in Europe to reopen. If Italy, one of the most impacted countries on earth, can provide freedoms pictured above and still maintain current downward trajectory of COVID deaths, there is no excuse for Ireland to be so so far behind in it's schedule.

I just saw on my FB feed that even though they are allowed to open until 6pm every day the Italian Bars and Restaurant association is planning a huge protest tomorrow (at 6:30pm of course).

Boggles

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

We had a Q and A with them before taking the vaccine, one of the questions was "can I visit my parents after I take the vaccine' and the answer was a resounding no because with the vaccine you're less likely to show symptoms if you have it and therefore easier to pass on.

I really really don't get why this is news to anyone?

It was in response to the poster who asked if their neighbour was vaccinated so they could go on a jog with them....

So yeah..you're talking bollocks unless you can prove otherwise.

It's news to everyone.

But the preliminary data suggests that there is at least less viral load in those who are vaccinated.

Any one claiming that you are more likely to be infected by a vaccinated person, doctor or otherwise is talking absolute pony.

There were airing on the side of caution I imagine.

muddypuppy

amandstu wrote: »

Suppose my friend(s) live beyond my 5k limit** ,can we still meet up for a walk outside in an area that is (separately) within each other's 5k limit?

Seems to me that we can (provided we socially distance and use our own transport to get there..

Am I right?

** ie they live between 5k and 10k from me.

According to the rules you're not allowed to meet any other household, even if they live 50 meters from you. It doesn't matter if outdoor or indoor.
The 5k limit is only for individual exercise.
I see online plenty of people not realizing how draconian the measures are.

(The only exception is if you are in one of the categories that can form a bubble and form it with them. Then you can meet them however you want, indoor or outdoor, even if they're in the other side of the country).

It's not hard to check: https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#social-and-family-gatherings

ingo1984

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I don't get what happens when the numbers inevitably go back up from the schools reopening? Say we start to see some effect from numbers dropping due to vaccinations, that'll surely be balanced out by cases caused by schools being open? So if we come to May and the average number of cases per day is still around the 700-800 mark do we continue with Level 5 lockdown?

I hope to high heaven that the determining factor for lockdowns is the numbers in hospital and not daily cases. At least then when the elderly and infirm are vaccinated it should ease pressure on the hospitals and see reopening commence. In reality, 1,000 cases a day if they are all isolating at home with mild symptoms and none in hospital isn't of any real concern.

JP Liz V1

Are we extended until May?

CruelSummer

CalamariFritti wrote: »

To be fair Ulster Bank move was coming a long way and has nothing to do with covid.

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ve known about this for quite some time now and can assure you it’s not covid related! Maybe covid expedited it slightly but it was always happening.

Fair enough, I agree it’s been coming for awhile but I’m sure COVID expedited the process. However I do think the situation is precarious at the moment for banks. Between Covid and quantitative easing methods devaluing currencies like the dollar and now the rise of Bitcoin. The last thing we need is a hyperinflation situation developing. Hopefully those in charge know how this ends from 1929 and the Germans more than most.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

What does them being vaccinated have to do with anything? You have MORE of a chance of catching it from a vaccinated person.

This is basic basic stuff.

Sweet Jesus

CruelSummer

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Ive been told by two separate doctors. Because you don't show symptoms it's easier to pass it on. It's fairly simple.

There’s actually posts in the vaccine thread today regarding recent research on the Pfizer vaccine in Israel. It shows that transmission is substantially reduced following vaccination.

gozunda

timmyntc wrote: »

And why did we have the highest infection rates in the world?
Because of the preceding lockdowns for months on end!

Other countries that werent under stringent lockdowns for months on end before christmas, didnt see nearly as big as surge at christmas as us - why? hmm, maybe because they didnt have a huge pent up demand for socialising and shopping.

Erh you missed this bit then?

gozunda wrote:

Forget the appropriating blame game. Yes we had eejits screaming for their rights to have their visits and travel over Christmas and yes as you said the government allowed that. We can take that as read

OK what you're effectively saying its neither Johny nor Mary who are to blame ' but rather the gubbermint? That people here effectively have no self control. Well if that's they case - there not much hope for a no restrictions scenario is there?

Ok let's take an actual country as an example. Germany which had restrictions for months before Christmas didn't lift them at all over the Christmas period but increased them - because there were indications that Covid infections were on the rise again and any reduction in restrictions would make things worse.

 In spite of a hard lockdown imposed from 15 December until 10 January 2021, infection numbers remained high and, eventually, coronavirus-related deaths also rose sharply. This situation and the uncertainties associated with the appearance of a particularly infectious strain of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the United Kingdom prompted two further extensions of the lockdown until 31 January and then 14 February.

So they kept their ongoing restrictions increased them and still had issues due to rising case numbers and the new variants - but what they did do was keep a lid on it.

We on the other hand threw caution to the wind and won top prize for the highest covid infection rate in the world.

Well done us.

From your comments to date I strongly suspect you wouldn't support any restrictions regardless of infections rates at any time.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Ive been told by two separate doctors. Because you don't show symptoms it's easier to pass it on. It's fairly simple.

Dr Nick Riveria and Doc McStuffins?

Tony should step aside now after the news this evening. RIP to his wife.

Be interesting to see how it goes with NPHET from here. They were more willing to look at alternatives when Tony was away last time as well

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Tony should step aside now after the news this evening. RIP to his wife.

Should everyone quit their job if their is a bereavement in the family?

Lundstram

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Now, without a shadow of a doubt, the majority of the population want these restrictions eased. There’s no end in sight, we are being played like fools.

Lockdowns do not work, how the fcuk are 800-1000 people still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown? You know how? Because they’ve stopped adhering to these nonsense restrictions.

The messaging from our ‘leaders’ is downright insulting and degrading. The lack of respect shown towards young people and those unemployed is a national disgrace.

I’m shaking with anger here reading some Tweets from journalists about the behaviour of government.

MM will go down in history as the worst leader to ever hold office. He is spineless and gutless.

The tide has turned and I for one am delighted.

Loafing Oaf

Deleted User wrote: »

Dr Nick Riveria and Doc McStuffins?

Andrew Wakefield I'd say

CruelSummer

Deleted User wrote: »

Tony should step aside now after the news this evening. RIP to his wife.

Be interesting to see how it goes with NPHET from here. They were more willing to look at alternatives when Tony was away last time as well

Having been critical of Dr Holohan and NPHET’s approach to Covid, on a personal level it must have been very hard to know a loved one was so unwell while dealing with this pandemic. RIP to his wife and hope he takes the time needed with his family for now.

Goldengirl

CruelSummer wrote: »

Having been critical of Dr Holohan and NPHET’s approach to Covid, on a personal level it must have been very hard to know a loved one was so unwell while dealing with this pandemic. RIP to his wife and hope he takes the time needed with his family for now.

Agree .
However I suspect he will take some time , and then return to see this pandemic out .

gozunda

MOH wrote: »

How ironic :rolleyes:
If you spent less time trying to backseat mod people are more time actually reading your own and other people's posts, you might have a better grasp on the discussion. I was using exactly that colloquial definition of the term. Cases don't decrease "more and more rapidly". Exactly the opposite: the rate of decrease slows - they decrease less and less rapidly over time. As they did in April. And October. As is "bloody obvious" from the graph of cases over time which I actually went to the trouble of including in my previous post.You're talking absolutely nonsense.

Oh miaow. Nope nothing Ironic in that at all. Simply a rejoinder to a comment from another poster who tried that lark. Interesting you quoted mine but not the original...My apologias if that offends you...

As regards my reply to you. I would suggest you're the only one back seat "moding" with regard to telling others they are wrong and only you are correct.

But yes after last years peak in April - ' the rate of decrease was fairly rapid and yes it did "slow". That goes without fuking saying!

Not so much "You're talking absolutely nonsense" rather desperately trying to appear if your previous comment made any sense whatsoever. It still doesn't

Aph2016

Lundstram wrote: »

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Now, without a shadow of a doubt, the majority of the population want these restrictions eased. There’s no end in sight, we are being played like fools.

Lockdowns do not work, how the fcuk are 800-1000 people still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown? You know how? Because they’ve stopped adhering to these nonsense restrictions.

The messaging from our ‘leaders’ is downright insulting and degrading. The lack of respect shown towards young people and those unemployed is a national disgrace.

I’m shaking with anger here reading some Tweets from journalists about the behaviour of government.

MM will go down in history as the worst leader to ever hold office. He is spineless and gutless.

The tide has turned and I for one am delighted.

MM is a coward, and the majority of the politicians holding office at the moment are pathetic. They are so out of touch with reality.

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Now, without a shadow of a doubt, the majority of the population want these restrictions eased. There’s no end in sight, we are being played like fools.

Lockdowns do not work, how the fcuk are 800-1000 people still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown? You know how? Because they’ve stopped adhering to these nonsense restrictions.

The messaging from our ‘leaders’ is downright insulting and degrading. The lack of respect shown towards young people and those unemployed is a national disgrace.

I’m shaking with anger here reading some Tweets from journalists about the behaviour of government.

MM will go down in history as the worst leader to ever hold office. He is spineless and gutless.

The tide has turned and I for one am delighted.

Lefty?

TimeToShine

Beasty wrote: »

What's your source for this claim?

It does make sense to be fair, vaccination does not prevent you from catching something, it just ensures that you developed the antibodies needed to tackle the infection properly if and when you do catch it, and as a result not to develop symptoms that could lead to a spread like coughing and sneezing.

None of the studies being done are looking to see if Covid is transmissible after vaccination, they are all looking at the impact on symptoms so finding a source would be difficult.

Boggles

Lundstram wrote: »

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Nope, don't ever remember anyone calling you "lefty".

Elmer Blooker

Goldengirl wrote: »

Jeez whi is comparing flu with Covid still ??!

So if covid isn't the flu then what kind of virus is it?
I'm fascinated how a vaccine can be developed 'in record time' for a novel virus that so little is known about.

TimeToShine

Lundstram wrote: »

Funny how the few hardcore posters against lockdowns were derided and laughed at 6 months ago on here. We were a minority and a bunch of lefty weirdos.

Now, without a shadow of a doubt, the majority of the population want these restrictions eased. There’s no end in sight, we are being played like fools.

Lockdowns do not work, how the fcuk are 800-1000 people still getting infected every day during a level 5 lockdown? You know how? Because they’ve stopped adhering to these nonsense restrictions.

The messaging from our ‘leaders’ is downright insulting and degrading. The lack of respect shown towards young people and those unemployed is a national disgrace.

I’m shaking with anger here reading some Tweets from journalists about the behaviour of government.

MM will go down in history as the worst leader to ever hold office. He is spineless and gutless.

The tide has turned and I for one am delighted.

What I can't understand is who in their right mind is still getting tested? Those who are out and about flouting the rules are the ones catching Covid, that's fine with me but are they then naive enough to go and get tested afterwards? It leaves us in this ridiculous limbo where the lockdown merchants can point to rising cases and those of us who want to get back to living have no rebuttal, forcing us to flout the rules and then potentially get tested "just to be safe".