Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Laugh and sneer all you want. This is what doctors are saying and I'm more inclined to believe them than some lad on the internet who thinks he's got a PHd in immunology because he watches the six o clock news on RTE every day.

There is an obscure site you can use to check what you hear is in fact true, or plain nonsense

https://www.google.ie/

amandstu

Deleted User wrote: »

You were asking about socialising, which is out. Specifically meeting to exercise is another thing.

You can meet people from another household for exercise.Walking is exercise.(and advised as such)

So you can meet someone from another household to take a walk together.

You are allowed to engage in conversation as you go along surely....???

When I said socializing,that was all I meant.(meeting someone, socially distanced)

amandstu

amandstu wrote: »

You can meet people from another household for exercise.Walking is exercise.(and advised as such)

So you can meet someone from another household to take a walk together.

You are allowed to engage in conversation as you go along surely....???

When I said socializing,that was all I meant.(meeting someone, socially distanced)

If your intention is to exercise, the government will allow you to leave your home and meet with someone from one other household, yes. I think it's within your 5km. So draw a 5km radius around your house and your friend's, and where they overlap is the current extent of your liberty. As long as you're exercising. And nobody from another household that you know happens to see you and come over. If that happens just swear at them until they go away. To save lives.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is an obscure site you can use to check what you hear is in fact true, or plain nonsense

https://www.google.ie/

So what are you saying?

I'm telling you that you are more dangerous to unvaccinated people when you have received the jab because you're less likely to show symptoms therefore thinking you're ok and passing it on.

It's like I've just told you the earth is flat or aliens are real.

Kiith

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Too right. Look at those clouds, flouting the 5km restrictions. One rule for them, another for us!

end of the road

walus wrote: »

If we consider that out of 195 countries the lockdown strategy worked only in roughly 2, it takes no statistician to tell how good of a strategy it is. However it may take a team of a psychiatrists to tell us why Ireland still continues to go down this path. Pure madness.

you already know why ireland and most countries are continuing with necessary public health measures.
the experts have already told us why they are necessary.

amandstu

Deleted User wrote: »

And nobody from another household that you know happens to see you and come over. If that happens just swear at them until they go away. To save lives.

I am not anticipating aggravation from other members of the public.I am just happy to be confirmed in my tentative assessment that my intended meeting is within the present guidelines.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

end of the road wrote: »

you already know why ireland and most countries are continuing with necessary public health measures.
the experts have already told us why they are necessary.

Maybe it's time we asked our "experts" to kindly go away because it's not working.

Captain_Crash

end of the road wrote: »

the experts have already told us why they are necessary.

If out of about 195 countries these measures only demonstrably worked in two of them, can those who say they are necessary really be considered experts??

There is the added caveat of the naughty boy of Europe not doing anything close to what we've done and not having any considerable difference in outcome! Except economically, they’ve faired much better on that front!

Silentcorner

Captain_Crash wrote: »

If out of about 195 countries these measures only demonstrably worked in two of them, can those who say they are necessary really be considered experts??

There is the added caveat of the naughty boy of Europe not doing anything close to what we've done and not having any considerable difference in outcome! Except economically, they’ve faired much better on that front!

It's the same as the US....where it is insanely political.

It's almost like lockdowns are the new religion, completely abandoning science and wrapping itself around a warped logic!!

User1998

Really depressing read today I must say. How anyone could be pro level 5 at this stage is completely beyond me

Once the sun starts shining again I genuinely will not abide by any of the restrictions. Barbecues in my mates houses, outdoor sessions, take a drive to the beach, get a nice fish and chips and sit out on the grass. Climb some mountains or something

Regardless of the restrictions, better times are coming for us all

Beasty

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Ive been told by two separate doctors. Because you don't show symptoms it's easier to pass it on. It's fairly simple.

So it's hearsay

It's also not what the vaccine companies have been claiming

Captain_Crash

Beasty wrote: »

So it's hearsay

It's also not what the vaccine companies have been claiming

I actually get what he’s saying! Studies are showing that it’s likely there is minimal if any “shedding” but it’s not conclusive yet, so I understand why doctors would be having a cautious approach to how someone may act after receiving it!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

User1998 wrote: »

Really depressing read today I must say. How anyone could be pro level 5 at this stage is completely beyond me

Once the sun starts shining again I genuinely will not abide by any of the restrictions. Barbecues in my mates houses, outdoor sessions, take a drive to the beach, get a nice fish and chips and sit out on the grass. Climb some mountains or something

Regardless of the restrictions, better times are coming for us all

Same. Been vaccinated a few weeks now and it's fairly clear the "we're all in this together" thing is a nonsense. When I see politicians floating ideas to fly to america for Paddy's day and gardai dancing up mountains, on beaches and wherever they want I say fūck em. When the sun starts shining I'll do what I want.

end of the road

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Maybe it's time we asked our "experts" to kindly go away because it's not working.

it's working alright, cases are slowly coming down.
and if the anti-facts brigade abided by everything they would go down quicker and we would be out of lock down quicker.
yeah, telling the experts to go away because the facts don't suit someones alternative facts agenda isn't going to happen.

Silentcorner

end of the road wrote: »

it's working alright, cases are slowly coming down.
and if the anti-facts brigade abided by everything they would go down quicker and we would be out of lock down quicker.
yeah, telling the experts to go away because the facts don't suit someones alternative facts agenda isn't going to happen.

Anti facts!!! Ha ha haaaaa

Lads, next up, lets all never drive again, we will save lives, we will destroy our economy but people are more important...its just the science people!!!!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

end of the road wrote: »

it's working alright, cases are slowly coming down.
and if the anti-facts brigade abided by everything they would go down quicker and we would be out of lock down quicker.
yeah, telling the experts to go away because the facts don't suit someones alternative facts agenda isn't going to happen.

Ah come off it. The absolute carnage lockdowns have done to the country. The effects of lockdown for a year (or more) are FAR FAR FAR more than this virus would have ever done.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Beasty wrote: »

So it's hearsay

It's also not what the vaccine companies have been claiming

Oh boy. Yeah believe what pharmaceutical companies say... It's not like there's anything in it for them.

Beasty

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I actually get what he’s saying! Studies are showing that it’s likely there is minimal if any “shedding” but it’s not conclusive yet, so I understand why doctors would be having a cautious approach to how someone may act after receiving it!

AZ are claiming a 2/3rds reduction

It's not something they can drum up without evidence, as the whole world will witness it if they are shown to be wrong

end of the road

Silentcorner wrote: »

Anti facts!!! Ha ha haaaaa

Lads, next up, lets all never drive again, we will save lives, we will destroy our economy but people are more important...its just the science people!!!!

yeah, that argument is just as much of an invalid and failed argument as every other time it has been tried.
it, is, not, going, to, work.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Ah come off it. The absolute carnage lockdowns have done to the country. The effects of lockdown for a year (or more) are FAR FAR FAR more than this virus would have ever done.

lock downs have done no carnage to the country.
they have caused some effects, which are unfortunate but were unavoidable and were always going to happen, accept on a worse scale if we had not implemented public health and damage limitation measures.
either way, it was the least worst option.
the virus would have collapsed the country had it not been controlled, then we would all be in the you know what.

MadYaker

I wonder is there a plan if cases don't go below say 400 or 500 a day. Maybe if the hospitals aren't getting busy at the same time 400 or 500 a day won't be a problem?

Captain_Crash

Beasty wrote: »

AZ are claiming a 2/3rds reduction

It's not something they can drum up without evidence, as the whole world will witness it if they are shown to be wrong

Oh I get what your saying and I have no reason to doubt the effectiveness of the vaccine myself, but I can understand why a doctor would urge caution! (again, I’m sure it works perfectly)

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Before the tinfoil hat comments roll in. I took the vaccine because of my work. I had no issues in taking it after I had done my research.

I am merely repeating what doctors told me at the time.

growleaves

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Oh I get what your saying and I have no reason to doubt the effectiveness of the vaccine myself, but I can understand why a doctor would urge caution! (again, I’m sure it works perfectly)

'Caution' is our watchword. The vaccine is the only thing we're not supposed to cautious about since that plays into the hands of the People Who Hate And Fear Science.

But yeah, could understand a doctor being cautious all right.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

So what are you saying?

I'm telling you that you are more dangerous to unvaccinated people when you have received the jab because you're less likely to show symptoms therefore thinking you're ok and passing it on.

It's like I've just told you the earth is flat or aliens are real.

You are also massively less likely to actually be shedding virus, even if you have been exposed. Why does the virus make you sick? Because the virus replicates massively before your immune system can respond. Why does the vaccine prevent you getting sick? Because it teaches the body to recognise the virus before it gets a chance to replicate. Now can you see why in the first instance you are likely to be significantly less infectious?

Silentcorner

MadYaker wrote: »

I wonder is there a plan if cases don't go below say 400 or 500 a day. Maybe if the hospitals aren't getting busy at the same time 400 or 500 a day won't be a problem?

We have 11,000 beds in our hospital network, 90% of those 500 won't need any of them...we are looking at locking down our entire country to ease the pressure on a bed stock that will be requiring approx 50-100 beds per night...insane in any language!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Before the tinfoil hat comments roll in. I took the vaccine because of my work. I had no issues in taking it after I had done my research.

I am merely repeating what doctors told me at the time.

Maybe the doctors thought “this guy thinks the vaccine is an immediate shield eliminating all risk in the middle of a massive surge, I think we need to temper his enthusiasm”. Or maybe they were just plain wrong. A Medical degree is not a declaration of infallibility

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

We have 11,000 beds in our hospital network, 90% of those 500 won't need any of them...we are looking at locking down our entire country to ease the pressure on a bed stock that will be requiring approx 50-100 beds per night...insane in any language!

People seem to have forgotten that easing the strain on the health service was the entire goal of lockdown. They've now internalised the idea (along with government, apparently) that the goal is to never have anyone get infected with Covid. Which, let's face it, is not something that will ever happen, even if every last person in the country gets a vaccine.

MadYaker

Silentcorner wrote: »

We have 11,000 beds in our hospital network, 90% of those 500 won't need any of them...we are looking at locking down our entire country to ease the pressure on a bed stock that will be requiring approx 50-100 beds per night...insane in any language!

Who do you think is in hospital now so? They announced 901 new cases yesterday and there around 650 people currently in hospital with COVID so I think you might a bit optimistic with your numbers there but who knows. I just can't see numbers going as low as the gov seem to be hoping for and I'm curious to know what the plan is then.

MadYaker

MadYaker wrote: »

Who do you think is in hospital now so? They announced 901 new cases yesterday and there around 650 people currently in hospital with COVID so I think you might a bit optimistic with your numbers there but who knows. I just can't see numbers going as low as the gov seem to be hoping for and I'm curious to know what the plan is then.

Loath as I am to defend the poster. The 650 in hospital did not catch the virus yesterday. Less than 50 of those confirmed cases yesterday will end up in hospital