Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

batman_oh

end of the road wrote: »

it really, really doesn't get you out of restrictions.
not a chance are government going to give into you and those with your viewpoint.




the europes overall harshest lockdown nonsense has been debunked, it's just not true no matter how much you want it to be.
what we have had has been easyish lock downs but for a little longer then most of europe, who by the way have ended up having to go into much much harder and harsher lock downs in the end each time then we will ever ever have.
we have actually had it, well, not easy by any means, but i would rather be in ireland and in a lock down then say germany or the netherlands, great countries as they both are.

Debunked where? Based on what they are saying now it's by far the longest with the most things closed. And the 5km and don't meet anybody rule is unrivalled in duration. Nowhere will be even close by the time they reach mid summer as they have said

end of the road

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Imagine if we weren't in lockdown and these clowns were interacting with lots of people every day when hospitals and ICUs were at or near capacity?

from going on his posts it is what he wants.

BTownB

end of the road wrote: »

the europes overall harshest lockdown nonsense has been debunked, it's just not true no matter how much you want it to be.
what we have had has been easyish lock downs but for a little longer then most of europe, who by the way have ended up having to go into much much harder and harsher lock downs in the end each time then we will ever ever have.
we have actually had it, well, not easy by any means, but i would rather be in ireland and in a lock down then say germany or the netherlands, great countries as they both are.

Germany are opening hairdressers on 1st March.

Here's an interesting list for you on strictest countries in the world. Germany and Netherlands do not feature .
Ireland in top 5 with no other European countries featuring.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-01-22..latest&region=World

Our first lockdown starting March 2020 was the longest in Europe, twice as long as the second longest - Finland.

You are completely wrong . Please stop spreading falsehoods.

BTownB

batman_oh wrote: »

Debunked where? Based on what they are saying now it's by far the longest with the most things closed. And the 5km and don't meet anybody rule is unrivalled in duration. Nowhere will be even close by the time they reach mid summer as they have said

Nowhere. He is spreading misinformation.

Again sharing this really interesting list on strictest countries in the world.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-01-22..latest&region=World

gozunda

RobitTV wrote: »

You can lodge a formal complaint if you so wish - Complaints Procedure - Press Council of Ireland

"A complaint can be made about an article that has been published in the previous three months or journalistic behaviour that has taken place in the last three months"

Who can make a complaint? - "Any person or organisation that can show that, in the opinion of the Press Ombudsman, they are personally affected by the material that was published or the journalistic behaviour that took place"

Nah you're fine thanks. Just some seen to think all media articles are gospel. Funnily enough they're not.

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Nah you're fine thanks. Just soom seen to think all media articles are gospel. Funnily enough they're not.

Practically everything leaked to the media has turned out to be true.

retro:electro

end of the road wrote: »

what we have had has been easyish lock downs but for a little longer then most of europe.

You literally could not be more deluded.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

nope, a few billion added to our debt because we had to control a serious virus which would have caused serious issues to our country as a whole had we not done so.
had we not controlled the virus the amount added to the debt would probably be a couple of hundred billion and that's likely a best case.
the perfectly healthy responsible people did the right thing in going for a test so as to insure they would not spread covid to members of their own family who may be vulnerable, or others.
it's over, you lost, your alternative facts are not believed by the majority.

Just out of interest, what would have cost a couple of hundred billion or more had we not locked down?

We would have spent way less on PUP and business supports.

Business would be booming like it was over Christmas and summer.

Did countries that didn’t lockdown have to spend hundreds of billions?

RobitTV

The best part of the day on Virgin News at 5:30

Presenter: "We have just been informed of todays covid figures, Now Zara King joins us with today's covid figures, Zara what are todays figures"

Some people across the nation hold their breath :pac: others switch channel quickly.

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Just out of interest, what would have cost a couple of hundred billion or more had we not locked down?

We would have spent way less on PUP and business supports.

Business would be booming like it was over Christmas and summer.

Did countries that didn’t lockdown have to spend hundreds of billions?

Countries that didn't lock don't are in a very favourable position

They won't have the same surge in mental health issues.
They won't have the same surge in cancers and heart disease
They won't have the same surge in borrowing
They won't have the same surge in tax increases
They won't have the same surge in business failings
The won't have the same surge in unemployment support
They won't have the same developmental issues in young people
They won't have the same surge in death rates across all ailments
They won't have the same levels of immunity for all viruses

We will have all the above, for a virus that for 80% of the time will only use 400 beds per night in a health system with 11,000 beds.

It is what happens when you abandon science.

WE could have achieved the same result with a fraction of the restrictions.

gozunda

BTownB wrote: »

Germany are opening hairdressers on 1st March.

Here's an interesting list for you on strictest countries in the world. Germany and Netherlands do not feature .
Ireland in top 5 with no other European countries featuring.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-01-22..latest&region=World

Our first lockdown starting March 2020 was the longest in Europe, twice as long as the second longest - Finland.

You are completely wrong . Please stop spreading falsehoods.

Not sure you're reading that right tbf

When clicked on the descending score column - it shows the UK above Ireland at a score of 86.11 , then Ireland 2 lines down which has a score of 85.19 and not a huge amount between us and Germany which comes in with a score of 83.33 just a few rows down.

As whose restrictions are longest- its very difficult to compare tbf.

For example Germany restrictions - they did not lift the restrictions over the Christmas period and continued with a hard lockdown started in early November. It looks like they kept the lid on their rising numbers unlike the ****efest that was Christmas here. So perhaps not surprising they may be stating reducing some restrictions in March.

Germany

The outbreaks were first managed in a containment stage, which attempted to minimise the expansion of clusters. From 13 March, the pandemic has been managed in the protection stage as per the RKI plan, with German states mandating school and kindergarten closures, postponing academic semesters and prohibiting visits to nursing homes to protect the elderly. Two days later, borders to Austria, Denmark, France, Luxembourg and Switzerland were closed. 

By 22 March, curfews were imposed in six German states while other states prohibited physical contact with more than one person from outside one's household.

On 15 April, Chancellor Angela Merkel spoke of "fragile intermediate success" that had been achieved in the fight against the pandemic. The same day, a first loosening of restrictions was announced continued in early May,

A partial lockdown from 2 November, in which physical distancing rules were tightened while schools and kindergartens remained open, only temporarily halted the rise in case numbers. (Then) two further extensions of the lockdown until 31 January and then 14 February. Besides re-introducing physical distancing measures similar to those of March 2020, movement out of hard-hit districts beyond a radius of 15 kilometres from the place of residence without good reason was prohibited, while in the second extension the wearing of surgical masks or FFP2 masks on public transport and in shops was made mandatory; 

In spite of a hard lockdown imposed from 15 December until 10 January 2021, On the 10 February, the lockdown was again extended until 7 March

zell12

RobitTV wrote: »

The best part of the day on Virgin News at 5:30
Presenter: "We have just been informed of todays covid figures, Now Zara King joins us with today's covid figures, Zara what are todays figures"

silverharp

I see 5K trending on Twitter, kite flying?, they can't be serious about May , once the weather and day light pick up picks up lots of people are going to do what they are going to do

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1363013062127742977

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Practically everything leaked to the media has turned out to be true.

:pac:

growleaves

New Mexico sheriff refuses to enforce COVID-19 stay-at-home orders amid violent crime surge

A New Mexico sheriff is joining a growing number of law enforcement officials refusing to enforce "restrictive" coronavirus measures.

"We have a crime rate that’s four times the national rate in violent crime, so our people are being ravaged by criminals already, and we don’t want to — in this time where there’s so many restrictive measures for people having to stay home, kids aren’t going to school, we have a very high suicide rate, what we’re trying to do in that message is send something that is positive to the people— that gives them hope and optimism for the future," Bernalillo County Sheriff Manny Gonzales told "Fox & Friends."

Gonzales said that he wants the American people to look at law enforcement in a "positive light."

The sheriff in New Mexico’s most populous county said in a video last week that he will not enforce any stay-at-home orders that subvert individuals’ constitutional rights, adding that his office will focus on helping families and businesses stay safe from crime.

The lockdown in New Mexico is effectively over from the sounds of it.

AlekSmart

silverharp wrote: »

I see 5K trending on Twitter, kite flying?, they can't be serious about May , once the weather and day light pick up picks up lots of people are going to do what they are going to do

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1363013062127742977

Thats quite an interesting observation,and noted by myself on a walk between Donnybrook Village and O'Connell St on Thursday.

Lovely sunny,brisk day,with plenty of folk out walking etc.
I was both surprised and encouraged by the numbers who were happily naked of face,and even better,conversing in small groups as was the norm 12 months ago.

Even better,in St Stephens Green,all of the benches in the central area were taken,by the aforementioned people chatting and even HUGGING !!! (although,the more physically inclined did appear to be from sunnier climes )

NPHET and it's adoptees must be paying lots of attention to our medium range weather forecast,because if we get any form of extended dry & sunny period,then Mr Martin and his PHETS will be disregarded en masse.

Luke O'Neill is correct,although not for the reasons he suggested....Public patience and attitude is now noticably showing it's limits.

end of the road

BTownB wrote: »

Germany are opening hairdressers on 1st March.

Here's an interesting list for you on strictest countries in the world. Germany and Netherlands do not feature .
Ireland in top 5 with no other European countries featuring.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-01-22..latest&region=World

Our first lockdown starting March 2020 was the longest in Europe, twice as long as the second longest - Finland.

You are completely wrong . Please stop spreading falsehoods.

germany went into a real lock down just before christmas, hence they can reopen earlier.
a real hard lock down such as what germany, netherlands etc went through wouldn't fly here.

retro:electro wrote: »

You literally could not be more deluded.

you are mixing me up with someone else.

Deleted User wrote: »

Just out of interest, what would have cost a couple of hundred billion or more had we not locked down?

We would have spent way less on PUP and business supports.

Business would be booming like it was over Christmas and summer.

Did countries that didn’t lockdown have to spend hundreds of billions?

we would have actually likely spent more, as once the virus took hold, and the economy became a train wreck, the main contributers to the economy would have started to be effected along with all the other businesses as consumer confidence falls.
the business boom would be extremely temporary because of that consumer confidence falling due to rampent virus.
we would also have a collapsed health and other systems to deal with on top of that.
yes, i believe the non-lock down countries did have to spend billions on various things such as trying to keep their health systems just about functional.

growleaves wrote: »

New Mexico sheriff refuses to enforce COVID-19 stay-at-home orders amid violent crime surge



The lockdown in New Mexico is effectively over from the sounds of it.

well, it will depend on whether the state backs him or not, or just calls in the national gard.
either way, if that particular state wants a lock down, they will have one, i would expect.

growleaves

end of the road wrote: »

well, it will depend on whether the state backs him or not, or just calls in the national gard.

either way, if that particular state wants a lock down, they will have one, i would expect.

The story was from December and the Governor of New Mexico has not tried to call in the National Guard.

Many of these Governors are running on bluff, giving "orders" instead of asking the local legislature to pass laws. If they don't have back-up from police and other institutions there isn't anything they can do about it.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

germany went into a real lock down just before christmas, hence they can reopen earlier.
a real hard lock down such as what germany, netherlands etc went through wouldn't fly here.




you are mixing me up with someone else.




we would have actually likely spent more, as once the virus took hold, and the economy became a train wreck, the main contributers to the economy would have started to be effected along with all the other businesses as consumer confidence falls.
the business boom would be extremely temporary because of that consumer confidence falling due to rampent virus.
we would also have a collapsed health and other systems to deal with on top of that.
yes, i believe the non-lock down countries did have to spend billions on various things such as trying to keep their health systems just about functional.








well, it will depend on whether the state backs him or not, or just calls in the national gard.
either way, if that particular state wants a lock down, they will have one, i would expect.

Sorry, but this is just absolute childish nonsense.

You don’t have a shred of evidence that we would have spent hundreds of billions by allowing business to stay open. It would have been the opposite. We wouldn’t have borrowed billions had we stayed open.

Whether you like it or not, business is booming when it’s allowed to open. People are not afraid of the virus.

The economy would be much stronger if we didn’t intentionally tank it for a mild virus

RobitTV

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1363106909499326464

RobitTV

:pac::pac::pac: (liam#KeepTheSchoolsClosed)

https://twitter.com/liam1282/status/1363090469832581122

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry, but this is just absolute childish nonsense.

You don’t have a shred of evidence that we would have spent hundreds of billions by allowing business to stay open. It would have been the opposite. We wouldn’t have borrowed billions had we stayed open.

Whether you like it or not, business is booming when it’s allowed to open. People are not afraid of the virus.

The economy would be much stronger if we didn’t intentionally tank it for a mild virus

we didn't tank the economy, never mind intentional, and especially not for a mild virus that isn't actually mild but is unable to do the damage it could thanks to minimisation spread and public health measures.
the economy would be less strong but for those control measures, as while it has taken quite a dip, as i said it's a small few sectors which really keep the show on the road here and without controls on spread minimisation, those sectors are at more risk of effects.
if we shut those sectors and reopened the shut ones we would be actually in some bit of real trouble.
we are in a good position to recover from this, our economy was in good shape coming up to this and isn't in bad shape currently dispite our situation, couple that with penned up demand we will do reasonably well i reccan.

robbiezero

RobitTV wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac: (liam#KeepTheSchoolsClosed)

https://twitter.com/liam1282/status/1363090469832581122

What an absolute moron.

ceadaoin.

Augeo wrote: »

What countries didn't lockdown?
Most of Europe did, Australia, NZ, the US....... none of them had a leg to stand on? lol

Luckily there are places within the US who didn't lockdown, or who only locked down once last year,, so we have something to compare against.Here, I'll post this again. Deaths per capita in the US, no lockdown states in dark red, lockdowns in blue. The evidence is mounting that lockdowns didn't make much difference to overall outcomes.

Looks like the US is heading towards herd immunity fast at this point. Ireland is just dragging it out with continued restrictions. We'll all end up in the same place eventually. Virus gonna virus and all that.

TomTomTim

end of the road wrote: »

we didn't tank the economy, never mind intentional, and especially not for a mild virus that isn't actually mild but is unable to do the damage it could thanks to minimisation spread and public health measures.
the economy would be less strong but for those control measures, as while it has taken quite a dip, as i said it's a small few sectors which really keep the show on the road here and without controls on spread minimisation, those sectors are at more risk of effects.
if we shut those sectors and reopened the shut ones we would be actually in some bit of real trouble.
we are in a good position to recover from this, our economy was in good shape coming up to this and isn't in bad shape currently dispite our situation, couple that with penned up demand we will do reasonably well i reccan.

:pac:

TomTomTim

robbiezero wrote: »

What an absolute moron.

virologist wear a goddam mask. huge Sinn Fein supporter. speaker of the truth. atheist.

Agreed.

ceadaoin.

end of the road wrote: »

well, it will depend on whether the state backs him or not, or just calls in the national gard.
either way, if that particular state wants a lock down, they will have one, i would expect.

Lol, no they won't. Hes not the first sheriff to refuse to enforce these orders. A few in California did the same. They didn't call in the national guard. that would be political suicide.


https://www.newsweek.com/some-california-sheriffs-wont-enforce-newsom-curfew-la-focus-voluntary-compliance-1548900

Arizona

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arizona-county-sheriffs-refuse-to-enforce-covid-19-coronavirus-lockdown-orders-pinal-mohave-11468354

Newsom in California is in real danger of being recalled over his total destruction of small businesses in California and all his other ****. I'm sure you think he did a great job lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/19/business/newsom-coronavirus-california.html

themacattack.

seems to be a right sea change in attitude of people towards restrictions and lockdowns judging from my circle and also people i interact with in work...cant blame them...feel like the government is totally out of step with the country...people including myself genuinley concerned for our economy...everyone can see through the media misery fest of rte virgin ect...looking forward to the better weather already and sitting in the garden with friends and family enjoying some cold beers

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

we didn't tank the economy, never mind intentional, and especially not for a mild virus that isn't actually mild but is unable to do the damage it could thanks to minimisation spread and public health measures.
the economy would be less strong but for those control measures, as while it has taken quite a dip, as i said it's a small few sectors which really keep the show on the road here and without controls on spread minimisation, those sectors are at more risk of effects.
if we shut those sectors and reopened the shut ones we would be actually in some bit of real trouble.
we are in a good position to recover from this, our economy was in good shape coming up to this and isn't in bad shape currently dispite our situation, couple that with penned up demand we will do reasonably well i reccan.

You really are deluded.

We’ll have borrowed 50 billion according to Leo by the time this is over and we have 25% of the workforce out of work currently.

Our future Taoiseach is already mentioning the word austerity.

If you think the economy is in good shape then I can’t help you. You’re in for a shock over the next few years.

darconio

I personally had enough of this nonsense.
I've been incarcerated for 1 year, I followed the rules and made sure my choices wouldn't go against the recommendation of these tyrants.
I've lost 1 year of my life that, for all I know, could end tomorrow (for sure it WON'T end with covid), nobody will give this year back to me, and the prospective for the future is to waste more time behind something that it won't affect me in the slightest.
I had to euthanize my dog last monday because, due to this absurd restrictions, I couldn't get a vet to do an house visit and diagnose in time the tumor that was eating her inside: I'm heartbroken she was one of the main reason that kept me going.
I've been lucky enough to keep my job, however due to it's nature, it requires 80% face to face interaction: I'm not sure for how long my employer will be able to justify my role, and it's slowing adapting it to the absurdity of this situation.
I haven't seen my family abroad since 2019, and, by the looks of it, won't be for at least another year.
I/we have been deprived of the basic human needs, like socialize, get an haircut, travel from a to b, purchase essential items or gather with the people we love to enjoy a meal/a movie/a concert: it's only our 4 walls, and the prospective of another groundhog day.
They implanted in the population the fear of the person next to us, social distancing, masks, hand sanitizing: people are traumatized and afraid of shaking your hand, after they keep saying it is airborne, like if the plagued would go around coughing and sneezing on everything and everywhere.
"In this together" my arse, this has been the most selfish spell in the history of humanity, and yes from today I will only care about myself and the people I love.
If you think I will pass you the virus, stay at home, I won't care anymore about anybody else a part from myself and the people I love.