Parties voting against housing development

RandomName2

Interesting tweet today detailing the number of times different parties in Dublin City Council voted against housing development

https://twitter.com/eoinneylon/status/1351087238868836353

The_Kew_Tour

Interesting.

If true love to know the reasons

James Brown

Was an academic chap on RTE Drive Time complaining about Dublin City Council approving too many apartment builds not fit for families, which end up going to rental companies.

RandomName2

This sort of mess I imagine

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/what-s-the-deal-with-the-o-devaney-gardens-redevelopment-1.4087189

jimmycrackcorm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Interesting.

If true love to know the reasons

There's a definite correlation between the populist parties and the level of objections. Strangely also the correlation between the same parties and how much they scream about the government failure with the housing crisis.

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

Was an academic chap on RTE Drive Time complaining about Dublin City Council approving too many apartment builds not fit for families, which end up going to rental companies.

And that is of relevance how?

Some ivory tower academic knows better? But better than what? And what has that got to do with the disgraceful record on housing in the OP?

blanch152

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

There's a definite correlation between the populist parties and the level of objections. Strangely also the correlation between the same parties and how much they scream about the government failure with the housing crisis.

It is in the interests of Sinn Fein (and the other small parties) to block implementation at local level of housing developments (because it is popular in the local area) while ranting incoherently at national level about the alleged failure of the government (not the local authority) to provide enough housing for everyone (again because that is the popular and populist thing to do).

Linking the two shows up the shallowness of Sinn Fein and these parties, something they will strenuously try to prevent, hence there will be whataboutery, gifs, deflection and other nonsense strewn all the way through this thread.

hatrickpatrick

RandomName2 wrote: »

This sort of mess I imagine

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/what-s-the-deal-with-the-o-devaney-gardens-redevelopment-1.4087189

This exactly. The left as a rule opposes building market rate housing on public land with public money, and rightly so. The central government and council executives are essentially holding public housing hostage to privatisation.

Gatling

I love how people living in 4 bed houses with front and back gardens keep telling us apartments are suitable for families to live in despite families happily living in apartments here and across Europe for generations .

BobbyMalone

blanch152 wrote: »

And that is of relevance how?

Some ivory tower academic knows better? But better than what? And what has that got to do with the disgraceful record on housing in the OP?

It might explain the reasons behind the objections. An objection to good quality housing, in the right area, with the right services in place is demonstrably different to objecting to a substandard housing project, built in the wrong area, with little or no services.

blanch152

BobbyMalone wrote: »

It might explain the reasons behind the objections. An objection to good quality housing, in the right area, with the right services in place is demonstrably different to objecting to a substandard housing project, built in the wrong area, with little or no services.

Yes, but there is no evidence that this is the case. When you are objecting to nearly every housing development as SF and I4C appear to be doing, then that doesn't apply. A record of supporting most, and objecting to only a few, would fit more readily with that type of profile.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

And that is of relevance how?

Some ivory tower academic knows better? But better than what? And what has that got to do with the disgraceful record on housing in the OP?

I'm sorry it galls you in some way but I'll rest your fevered mind...
The post before mine was a comment pondering what the reasons might be? Today there was an academic complaining that the council proposes too many not fit for family apartments.

No harm heeding an expert, it's not like it's Covid 19..

"Some ivory tower academic"

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

And that is of relevance how?

Some ivory tower academic knows better? But better than what? And what has that got to do with the disgraceful record on housing in the OP?

Because approving **** proposals is not going to address the issue, it'll exacerbate it.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

Because approving **** proposals is not going to address the issue, it'll exacerbate it.

Many of these developments end up as private rentals. Explains the voting.

Idbatterim

blanch152 wrote: »

It is in the interests of Sinn Fein (and the other small parties) to block implementation at local level of housing developments (because it is popular in the local area) while ranting incoherently at national level about the alleged failure of the government (not the local authority) to provide enough housing for everyone (again because that is the popular and populist thing to do).

Linking the two shows up the shallowness of Sinn Fein and these parties, something they will strenuously try to prevent, hence there will be whataboutery, gifs, deflection and other nonsense strewn all the way through this thread.

Very good points, the majority dont pick up on the hypocrisy and it wins votes at local and national elections as a result... next election will be very interesting... then again, ffg taking the piss also. We need a new party imo or sf getting in, and bringing about change through good governance or bad enough that things collapse, but the reasons and issues people voted sf could no longer be ignored by ffg...

BobbyMalone

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, but there is no evidence that this is the case.

If there's no evidence that this is the case (and I'd agree), then there's no evidence of the opposite either (which you don't seem to have too much of an issue with).

blanch152 wrote: »

When you are objecting to nearly every housing development as SF and I4C appear to be doing, then that doesn't apply. A record of supporting most, and objecting to only a few, would fit more readily with that type of profile.

Absolutely pointless to argue that if we don't know the reasons for the objections. Maybe nearly all of the housing developments have serious issues? If we don't look into the nuances, then the whole issue is just a stick to beat certain political parties with (which I'm guessing is the point).

political analyst

blanch152 wrote: »

It is in the interests of Sinn Fein (and the other small parties) to block implementation at local level of housing developments (because it is popular in the local area) while ranting incoherently at national level about the alleged failure of the government (not the local authority) to provide enough housing for everyone (again because that is the popular and populist thing to do).

Linking the two shows up the shallowness of Sinn Fein and these parties, something they will strenuously try to prevent, hence there will be whataboutery, gifs, deflection and other nonsense strewn all the way through this thread.

Why would local working-class people object to a development that would go some way to alleviating the housing crisis? Surely, there's more to it than Nimbyism!

El Tarangu

political analyst wrote: »

Why would local working-class people object to a development that would go some way to alleviating the housing crisis? Surely, there's more to it than Nimbyism!

The #1 preferred location for new housing developments is "somewhere else".

elperello

Objections which are not based on planning issues and the sustainable development of the area will not overly delay a project and are allowed for in the timescale of same.