What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121717713#Comment_121717713

The Christian Conservative movement is largely driving the GOP these days, CPAC a major conference already attended by Trump among other senior republican figures, and Roe v Wade showed the influence has started to have federal impact (the scuttlebutt is Marriage Equality is next if Trump gets in); while Project 2025 lurks around as intent written down. The slope towards democratic backsliding isn't that steep or long when one side openly embraces a more Unitary Executive.

You debate the likelihood, but there's no debating the presence of those who want America more fundamentalist, its democratic principles sanded down a touch.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121717849#Comment_121717849

I remember the shock when Khomeini took over Iran.

America slipping into some anti democratic theocracy would be equally shocking but why ,if one not the other?

Does the colour of their skin or their access to wealth protect them from the madness going the rounds?

(Did I forget to mention Germany and you know who?)

I.R.Y.E.D

To recap.

Trump found liable for sexul assault and in the judges opinion is a rapist

Trump supporters:

Biden reportedly saying what most normal people are saying;

Trump supporters:

Overheal

James Carville keeps posting Youtube videos (I admit to watching a bunch of them, mostly his stream of consciousness but hilarious in a way) trying to get Donald Trump to sue him for defamation for declaring he has The Clap (ie. Syphilis). Looks forward to Discovery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrCdmAB8TTk

everlast75

I think 45 stands a good chance of dying on the Jax as well frankly...

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121718453#Comment_121718453

Elvis Presley actually served his tour of duty...

And Trump can't carry a tune.

Throwback: you can see Mike Johnson here, when most people still had no clue about him, he's had a stealthy congressional career

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRu5qxBOYqg

Hell, Obama is more Elvis than TFG lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7x4ZS7ZZWc

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121718458#Comment_121718458

They do have an incredibly poor diet in common.

Overheal

Russian asset Tucker Carlson spotted in Moscow

https://meduza.io/en/news/2024/02/04/american-political-commentator-tucker-carlson-spotted-attending-ballet-in-moscow

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121718508#Comment_121718508

I'm more shocked that someone like Tucker goes to ballet.

Hande hoche!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121718508#Comment_121718508

Are they going to have him interview Putin?

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121718864#Comment_121718864

Comrade Carlson has a nice ring to it....

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121718949#Comment_121718949

He's often fondly quoted on those Russian propaganda programs that look like they've reused the set from the weakest link

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121718864#Comment_121718864

The ballet you say?

Spoiler Warning

Probably the only place a right wing American conservative can look at teenage girls without judgement.

Seriously though, Carlson would rank highly as suspected one of those "better russian than democrat" types; doubt any Kompromat was needed here.

briany

You have to wonder if any American ally can feel truly safe because American Conservatism (of the Trump era, at least) seems to be on a constant position shift due to edgelordism and paranoid conspiracy theory. There's so much noise flying about that its principles are hard to discern, which may be more of a feature than a bug in that its true principles would be so odious to a majority of Americans that they must remain masked with theater, confusion and distraction either indefinitely or at a point where there is no repercussion to truly revealing them.

Tucker Carlson will be a rockstar within the GQP movement for that photograph because it's all about one-upmanship in that political space right now. Who can be the most provocative? Who can display the most influence? Thousands upon thousands of wannabes on Twitter and talking heads on their info-tainment channels all vying for attention and influence, but none of them have got a box at the Bolshoi.

It'll be interesting, if nothing else, to see where the GQP talking points go next and fold back on each other as each commentator searches for a sizzlingly controversial hot take to make a fortune on. Being pro-abortion, but only for Democrat voters? Oooooooooohhhhh, oh no you di'n't....

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121717075#Comment_121717075

You do realise that the reason Trump can only serve 2 terms is because the constitution was changed in the 40s or 50s? If it can be changed one way why can't it be changed back? And are you confident that if Trump was in power, the people in his cult wouldn't try?

techdiver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121717388#Comment_121717388

A single issue voter is the definition of dumb or stupid. We've joked for decades about the "dumb Americans" but it really had risen to an extreme level in the last decade. It is a indictment of the America educational system which has been degrading for many decades now.

I'm my mind there are 3/4 types or Trump voters.

1. Dumb people and stupid single issue voters.

2. Emboldened racists.

3. Powerful wealthy people who stand to gain most from his policies.

4. A combination of some or all of the above.

Trump started saying the quiet parts out loud which emboldened the large swathes or racists, misogynists and Christian nationals that makes up much of middle America.

How a piece of **** like Trump became the hero of the working class will be studied in the future.

I do laugh at the extreme Christian right in America who hitched their wagons to Trump. The definition of hypocrites. The real Christian running was Biden.

It also has to be stated that how the hell low working class and poor in middle America always vote republican when without fail their interests are always consistently worse served with Republicans in power. I'm not saying the Democrats are working class hero's or anything close but Republicans don't believe in welfare and social security and benefits. Yet the very people who receive these benefits the most voted or them. All to make sure women are forced to carry pregnancies against their will and that they are allowed to own whatever gun they want. Mind boggling stuff.

Leroy42

Its not mind-boggling when you consider that they all believe that soon, they too will become rich and they don't want to have money taken off them by the government.

It is such an individualistic society that they are only looking out for themselves. Don't worry that the local school is terrible, this time next year we can go private and that will solve our problems.

Hence when socialism is such a dirty word. It is seen as taking what is mine and giving it to others. Others that just need to work harder.

US sells this idea of opportunity and wealth so much that the majority actually believe it is going to happen to them any day.

They look at the examples of sports stars, YouTube stars, Zuckerberg etc and think that will be them soon. They don't focus on the vast majority of people that it never happens to.

They aren't voting to keep themselves poor, they are voting to keep themselves richer when when they become rich.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121719280#Comment_121719280

There are several checks which must be passed in order to change the constitution. If it hasn't been changed in response to school shootings, it won't be changed for the rapist. Maga makes a lot of noise but there are simply not enough of them.

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121719559#Comment_121719559

I get that. I know that there a checks in place so it isn't easy but I think they would try.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121719600#Comment_121719600

They won't. They need control of both houses a large majorities unless I am wrong.

Dingaan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121719380#Comment_121719380

So a voter who prioritizes addressing the climate crisis and votes green because of this one issue, is the definition of stupid?

looksee

Its arguable that they are, voting just about the climate crisis when the party involved doesn't have a clue about economic issues or social issues wouldn't be very discerning. But Americans don't have the option of a 'green' party, its a binary choice, and taking one single issue to decide between a choice of two parties isn't all that bright.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121719280#Comment_121719280

Well, considering I was pointing to the 22nd Amendment of the constitution, I didn't think it needed to actually be said that the constitution can indeed be changed.

And I have no doubt whatsoever that Trump would love to try for an amendment, just like he would have loved to try and stay in power the first time. But he failed then and he would fail again. It takes two thirds of both houses to approve an amendment, so unless a hell of a lot of democrats start voting for Trump that just isn't going to happen.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121717160#Comment_121717160

Here is a simple point that I am sure you will have no problem understanding.

If Trump has an incumbent advantage, then why are his GOP primary numbers all currently much worse than his numbers in the 2020 primaries?

He had 85% in the New Hampshire primary 2020, but only 54% this time around.

He had 97% in the Iowa primary 2020, could only get 51% this time.

He actually was the incumbent in 2020 and swept the primaries, yet here we are today and his numbers have dropped from 80/90% down into the 50's. He is performing worse in his own primaries than he did even in the election he lost, yet you think he retains an incumbent advantage?

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121719713#Comment_121719713

The constitutional amendment process demands supermajorities (2/3) in the House and Senate or else a constitutional conventional (hardly ever used) and the ratification by three-quartes of State legislatures (38 out of 50). A bit difficult for even MAGA cultists at their worst to achieve. For details see this: https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121719754#Comment_121719754

In 2020 he used a lot of federal assets illegally to prop up his campaign, like WH officials who would campaign for him while on duty, from the pulpit of the WH, campaign rallies on the WH lawn, etc. an exhaustive amount of violations of the hatch act

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121719652#Comment_121719652

In the US context? Unfortunately I would say yes.

Federal legislation requires assent of both houses and POTUS. The greens as far as I am aware have no representation in either house and certainly would offer nothing in the way of a Presidential nominee other than a spoiler.

I am not saying the climate doesn't matter, it does and US needs to take a lead on addressing it. Rather that in a 2 party system? Voting for a 3rd option when bi-cameral assent as well as POTUS is required to pass legislation is a waste of a vote and likely one that assists the worst option.

The makeup of US politics means that more often than not? People are voting for the least bad option. It's the outcome of a 2 party state compounded by FPTP.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121719767#Comment_121719767

Sounds like something an incumbent can do. And an advantage.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121719803#Comment_121719803

Not something they can legally do

Overheal

Cringe

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/snl-throws-everything-at-the-wall-including-an-awkward-nikki-haley-cameo-in-fantastically-cringe-cold-open/

This also means TFG could wind up on SNL again (the first time was as surreal as it was humorless)