What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

briany

mcmoustache wrote: »

I think that the Trumpiness will hang around for a bit but the GOP will struggle to find someone that the Trump fans can rally around.Their senators and congressmen have spent too long beta-cucking themselves that they've ruled themselves out alpha contention. Trump's kids, have the charisma of a sponge so that rules them out. I'd say that the next few GOP candidates are going to be Trump's golden death mask or statue.

Yeah, if you take Ted Cruz, Trump utterly emasculated that lad in 2016. Lyin' Ted. He holds the Bible high... And then he lies. He's not washing that stink off.

Agree about Trump's kids lacking charisma, although they would presumably have the backing of Trump himself, which would be an important endorsement.

It seems to me that the news host Tucker Carlson is becoming a focal point of the Trumpist movement. He echoes almost all of what Trump says but in a more focused way. He could be an outside bet, imo.

Rjd2

briany wrote: »

Yeah, if you take Ted Cruz, Trump utterly emasculated that lad in 2016. Lyin' Ted. He holds the Bible high... And then he lies. He's not washing that stink off.

Agree about Trump's kids lacking charisma, although they would presumably have the backing of Trump himself, which would be an important endorsement.

It seems to me that the news host Tucker Carlson is becoming a focal point of the Trumpist movement. He echoes almost all of what Trump says but in a more focused way. He could be an outside bet, imo.

From all accounts Tucker loathes the idea of been president, he is incredibly loaded and clever enough to know the real power is been king maker on Fox News.

Someone like DeSantis seems to be the bet for 2024, intelligent unlike Trump, fiscally liberal and socially conservative which are very important for the Trump base.

Donor's know also despite the above the above attributes he wouldn't rock the boat whatsoever so no inane tweets at 3am etc.

2024 is a long time away though, if Trump wants to be the GOP nominee, I expect many would step aside as it wouldn't be worth the hassle annoying him and they would focus on 2028 instead.

briany

Rjd2 wrote: »

From all accounts Tucker loathes the idea of been president, he is incredibly loaded and clever enough to know the real power is been king maker on Fox News.

Someone like DeSantis seems to be the bet for 2024, intelligent unlike Trump, fiscally liberal and socially conservative which are very important for the Trump base.

Donor's know also despite the above the above attributes he wouldn't rock the boat whatsoever so no inane tweets at 3am etc.

2024 is a long time away though, if Trump wants to be the GOP nominee, I expect many would step aside as it wouldn't be worth the hassle annoying him and they would focus on 2028 instead.

Ron Desantis doesn't have the ability to riff that Trump has, or the brand recognition, and isn't truly seen as a Washington outsider. He lacks the bone-marrow-level obnoxiousness, narcissism and ignorance that the base loves Trump for, and the propensity to just wade in and say whatever he feels like at any given time. In short, a pretty sorry facsimile of the kind of candidate that Trumpists would want.

Carlson is articulate, but also has that media profile, and seems very tuned into the anger of the Trump base. His talking points are allegedly popular with white nationalists as well, so he'd have that underbelly covered. If he doesn't want to run, that's fine, but the Republican party will have a job to find someone with the charisma to overcome the Biden ticket, if Biden continues on the same steady path he's been on in the first few months of his presidency.

Tell me how

Rjd2 wrote: »

From all accounts Tucker loathes the idea of been president, he is incredibly loaded and clever enough to know the real power is been king maker on Fox News.

Someone like DeSantis seems to be the bet for 2024, intelligent unlike Trump, fiscally liberal and socially conservative which are very important for the Trump base.

Donor's know also despite the above the above attributes he wouldn't rock the boat whatsoever so no inane tweets at 3am etc.

2024 is a long time away though, if Trump wants to be the GOP nominee, I expect many would step aside as it wouldn't be worth the hassle annoying him and they would focus on 2028 instead.

If anyone saw Mike Pence's speech from early in the week then I think it is clear that he is eyeing up 2024 himself.

He once again spoke about his and Trump's collective successes and so while they might not be besties again, I think it is clear which side of the fence he is now on and in my view its because of attempting to run later.

I think DeSantis is likely to blow up. He has a bit of Chris Christie vibe about him.

Tell me how

briany wrote: »

Ron Desantis doesn't have the ability to riff that Trump has, or the brand recognition, and isn't truly seen as a Washington outsider. He lacks the bone-marrow-level obnoxiousness, narcissism and ignorance that the base loves Trump for, and the propensity to just wade in and say whatever he feels like at any given time. In short, a pretty sorry facsimile of the kind of candidate that Trumpists would want.

Carlson is articulate, but also has that media profile, and seems very tuned into the anger of the Trump base. His talking points are allegedly popular with white nationalists as well, so he'd have that underbelly covered. If he doesn't want to run, that's fine, but the Republican party will have a job to find someone with the charisma to overcome the Biden ticket, if Biden continues on the same steady path he's been on in the first few months of his presidency.

Tucker has righteous indignation down to a T, I'm not sure if I'd say he has charisma though. Maybe in false smarming kinda way.
As you alluded to, he might be popular with a particular base but things like having had his head writer resign because of racist blogs and Tucker himself being identified by his employer as someone people didn't expect to trust would be used heavily against him.

briany

Tell me how wrote: »

Tucker has righteous indignation down to a T, I'm not sure if I'd say he has charisma though. Maybe in false smarming kinda way.
As you alluded to, he might be popular with a particular base but things like having had his head writer resign because of racist blogs and Tucker himself being identified by his employer as someone people didn't expect to trust would be used heavily against him.

Is there anybody out there who has the same mix of attributes that got Trump elected in 2016? If there were, they'd probably have made themselves known by now.

Then again, there's always the point that as things shift and change, the formula that worked in 2016 probably wouldn't work again. What I think remains a constant is the appeal of an outsider who promises to take on Washington. I know there are many politicians who style themselves this way, but once the Republican base got Trump, someone who never conducted themselves in the ways Washington likes (during his presidency at least - lobbying days are another conversation), would those people ever want to go back to the likes of Cruz and DeSantis, who must seem horribly bland by comparison.

And on Carlson, we can be reasonably sure that the Trump base does not mind a bit of racist association. It may even be a polling boost.

rossie1977

briany wrote: »

Is there anybody out there who has the same mix of attributes that got Trump elected in 2016? If there were, they'd probably have made themselves known by now.

There are but I don't think they have any interest in running for president. Two names that spring to mind are Vince McMahon and Dana White. Both very similar in profile and demeanour to Trump.

briany

rossie1977 wrote: »

There are but I don't think they have any interest in running for president. Two names that spring to mind are Vince McMahon and Dana White. Both very similar in profile and demeanour to Trump.

It might sound odd to say it, but Vince McMahon wouldn't have the charisma. I know he was front and centre during the WWF Attitude days, but I've seen him do interviews outside of his wrestling bubble, and he's surprisingly awkward in them.

Besides this, neither of those two would have the kind of political anger required, nor would have laid the groundwork (Trump was writing books about his vision for the country and leading the anti-Obama brigade years before he ran for office).

For me, someone with a profile in that whole American Conservative ecosystem would be Alex Jones. I know people poo-poo this, but apart from Trump, he's one of those people who so accurately represents the angry, conspiratorial mindset that cancerised American Conservative politics.

everlast75

Alex Jones would be dismissed as soon as the transcript or video of him in his family law case admitting all he does is an act.

In the meantime...

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1388478311848845314?s=19

Hopefully Dominion pursue them all to the bitter end..

Rjd2

briany wrote: »

Ron Desantis doesn't have the ability to riff that Trump has, or the brand recognition, and isn't truly seen as a Washington outsider. He lacks the bone-marrow-level obnoxiousness, narcissism and ignorance that the base loves Trump for, and the propensity to just wade in and say whatever he feels like at any given time. In short, a pretty sorry facsimile of the kind of candidate that Trumpists would want.

Carlson is articulate, but also has that media profile, and seems very tuned into the anger of the Trump base. His talking points are allegedly popular with white nationalists as well, so he'd have that underbelly covered. If he doesn't want to run, that's fine, but the Republican party will have a job to find someone with the charisma to overcome the Biden ticket, if Biden continues on the same steady path he's been on in the first few months of his presidency.

The obnoxiousness of Trump was a mixed blessing for him. Their was many who felt conservatives had rolled over for the left for a long time so someone like Trump coming along and saying FU to everyone including the republican establishment was refreshing for so many.

However the constant bickering and trolling did wear a lot down even those who initially liked him. An example would be Clint Eastwood, old bloke, right wing, liked Trump initially but went very cold on him because he just found him to exhausting.

The next person who comes along will have to toe the line unlike Trump, give the base enough red meat but also not overdo it so much that the "moderates" get wore down. DeSantis might have the formula at the moment, he enjoys sparring with journalists but he doesn't spend all his day on twitter arguing with random people.

On Celebs, Vince is to old and while Dana is conservative, I think he probably steers clear of any sort of run.

I don't see anyone from that lane running in 2024, but as others have pointed out you need to look at the younger guys, Musk is a non runner due to been born in South Africa, but I could see a guy like Dave Portnoy or one of his ilk be the man who carries the party forward .

Good article on that point here.

https://theweek.com/articles/964006/rise-barstool-conservatives

Overheal

Still won’t shut up about losing the election in spite all of his best efforts to rig it in his favor

https://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-video-surfaces-of-trump-ranting-on-mar-a-lago-bandstand-about-finding-votes-in-az-and-other-states-he-lost/

Reminiscent of a Las Vegas has-been playing to a third rate crowd

ohnonotgmail

Overheal wrote: »

Still won’t shut up about losing the election in spite all of his best efforts to rig it in his favor

https://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-video-surfaces-of-trump-ranting-on-mar-a-lago-bandstand-about-finding-votes-in-az-and-other-states-he-lost/

Reminiscent of a Las Vegas has-been playing to a third rate crowd

Playing the back lounge of a dinghy off-strip casino.

Playing to the loyal to the end die hards

Professor Moriarty

Overheal wrote: »

Still won’t shut up about losing the election in spite all of his best efforts to rig it in his favor

https://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-video-surfaces-of-trump-ranting-on-mar-a-lago-bandstand-about-finding-votes-in-az-and-other-states-he-lost/

Reminiscent of a Las Vegas has-been playing to a third rate crowd

Is it just me or have his little handies got even smaller?

ohnonotgmail

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Is it just me or have his little handies got even smaller?

that is just an illusion. the rest of him got bigger.

Overheal

Pardoned Russian tool Michael Flynn can’t remember the pledge of allegiance - or, refused actively to cite the pledge. You decide I guess. This while making a big speech about remembering the words of the pledge i **** you not.

https://twitter.com/gary_kline/status/1388994507253985282?s=21

“ Listen, I’m going to say a Pledge of Allegiance. You’re going to say it along with me. I want you to hear, not just listen. I want you to hear every single word of the Pledge of Allegiance. That is our pledge to each other, that is our pledge to this country. It’s a Pledge of Allegiance to the United States of America. So put your hand over your heart, take your hats off here. That’s an order. Place your hand over your heart.”

…”I pledge allegiance, to the flag, indivi- …… God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

Tony EH

^
Frauds, grifters and shysters...the whole lot of them.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1389255156194320384?s=19

#ETTD in full effect, yet again

Overheal

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1389255156194320384?s=19

#ETTD in full effect, yet again

GOP email later tonight: "The media is bullying Mike Lindell for losing out on his dream of owning a small business - but you can help! Donate before midnight to 650666 to get Mike Lindell elected to a very outside Blue district NEAR YOU! The polls say he has no chance, but do YOU believe the polls!? Donate before midnight Thursday or else you go on Donald Trump's LIST OF ENEMIES."

MisterAnarchy

Donald Trump was the saviour, he was following Gods cause until the left distorted all his work.

Interesting speech from Jon

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1388914548346744833

relax carry on

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Interesting speech from Jon

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1388914548346744833

Trump was doing God's work?

Tell me how

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Interesting speech from Jon

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1388914548346744833

As I said on the other thread you posted this on, it's turgid nonsense.

I'll add, it has no basis in reality. 'Nobody thought of vaccines before Trump':pac::pac::pac:

Delusional stuff. If thinking was enough to get something done, why didn't he think up a healthcare plan while he was in office?

Leroy42

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Interesting speech from Jon

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1388914548346744833

I didn't think it was interesting at all, just load of nonsense interspersed with religious name and words to lend it some air of legitimacy.

What in particular did you find interesting?

Hoop66

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Interesting speech from Jon

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1388914548346744833

interesting in what way?

In that it shows the cognitive decline caused by exposure to too much rw, conspiracy theory driven media?

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

As I said on the other thread you posted this on, it's turgid nonsense.

I'll add, it has no basis in reality. 'Nobody thought of vaccines before Trump':pac::pac::pac:

Delusional stuff. If thinking was enough to get something done, why didn't he think up a healthcare plan while he was in office?

He did, but it was due to be released in two weeks.

Overheal

Jesus this is some pathetic spin doctoring and wtf is that font

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1389288501879918592?s=20


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0e-hjdWQAQUfiP?format=jpg&name=large

Trying to go for the Streissand Effect too?

ohnonotgmail

Overheal wrote: »

Jesus this is some pathetic spin doctoring and wtf is that font

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1389288501879918592?s=20


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0e-hjdWQAQUfiP?format=jpg&name=large

Trying to go for the Streissand Effect too?

so Flynn was playing 4d Chess? is that what they are claiming?

duploelabs

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so Flynn was playing 4d Chess? is that what they are claiming?

So much tapping of temples

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so Flynn was playing 4d Chess? is that what they are claiming?

Lookit, it was played on Star Trek, in different series too. give over.

mcmoustache

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Interesting speech from Jon

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1388914548346744833

It s this something you liked because of how his voice made you feel or did he have some original insights that you think are worth sharing?