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carlirl

duploelabs wrote: »

Like supporting proxy wars don't count like the arms deal with Saudi Arabia?

Every country does arms deals, doesnt mean their PM or President starts wars on the strength of it. Where do you think the Irish gov get their armaments from?

astrofool

carlirl wrote: »

thats as maybe, but not entirely helping with the Middle East at the moment!

Far better than pouring petrol and lighting a match on it, sorry, I meant putting Jared Kushner in charge.

WhomadeGod

WhomadeGod wrote: »

While he done little fur Palestine granted, to say he was a disaster in the middle east completely is not an honest assessment of his time as senior advisor.

Yes he brought the much needed peace between Israel and Sudan. Also armed Saudi Arabia during his service. Want to elaborate on his further political achievements?

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes he brought the much needed peace between Israel and Sudan. Also armed Saudi Arabia during his service. Want to elaborate on his further political achievements?

For which i'm sure the Yemenis are eternally grateful.

Tyrone212

Trump vetoed a bill which would have ended US backing to Saudi Arabia in the Yemeni war.

Also
"Civilian deaths skyrocketed in Afghanistan under President Donald Trump, whose administration relaxed the rules of engagement for airstrikes in 2017, according to a new study from the Costs of War Project at Brown University.

"The number of civilians killed by international airstrikes increased about 330 percent from 2016, the last full year of the Obama Administration, to 2019, the most recent year for which there is complete data from the United Nations," Neta C. Crawford, who led the study, wrote in a report on the findings. "The restraints on airstrikes are intended to save civilian lives, and the restraints generally do: the evidence shows that civilian casualties due to airstrikes decrease."

Airstrikes killed 700 civilians in Afghanistan in 2019 alone, more than any other year since the early days of the war in 2002, according to the study. "There were more weapons dropped from the air in 2018 and 2019 than at the height of US presence in Afghanistan in 2011," the report stated.

The US, its allies, and the Afghan government killed an average of 582 civilians per year from 2007 to 2016. The annual average of civilians killed rose by nearly 95% from 2017 through 2019 to 1,134 each year."

He didn't start any new wars but he made the Yemeni war worse and killed more civilians in Afghanistan thus making it worse and no doubt would have lead to more people being indoctrinated to join the taliban after seeing their family blown to bits by the "good guys". Obviously taliban are scum and worse before that's misinterpreted.

For balance , Biden has shown himself to be a complete joke this week in regards to Israel. Giving them a free pass to blow kids to bits. Has done absolutely nothing publicly to position himself as a neutral broker.

American presidents are cancerous whoever they are , all the wars and **** they've started since WW2 is testament to that. Trump is a fool and is cancerous to democracy with all his spoilt pathetic crying poor me just because he can't accept he's a loser so I'm glad he's gone because 4 more years of that dangerous simpleton crying daily would have been disastrous.

carlirl

carlirl wrote: »

Every country does arms deals, doesnt mean their PM or President starts wars on the strength of it. Where do you think the Irish gov get their armaments from?

Some have a habit of starting wars by falsely claiming that the country they are invading has arms that don't exist.

Quin_Dub

WhomadeGod wrote: »

For one he was instrumental in creating agreements between Israel and the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan, was also heavily involved in ending the conflict between Saudi Arabia and Qatar at the time.

Yeah.. It's was great to see the tanks pulling out from UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and Sudan.

The people of those countries can sleep easy now that the war is over!!.

And as for KSA and Qatar ?

Was that "deal" before or after Jared got a massive bail out from the Qatari Sovereign wealth fund for his disastrous Property deals?

everlast75

The "at least he didn't start a war" defence of Trump has been utterly dealt with in this thread multiple times.

I doubt any of these "new" posters will be around to engage in a proper debate on the topic.

rossie1977

everlast75 wrote: »

The "at least he didn't start a war" defence of Trump has been utterly dealt with in this thread multiple times.

I doubt any of these "new" posters will be around to engage in a proper debate on the topic.

Silly argument anyway. Reagan, Bush Jr and Sr are the only presidents to start 'new wars' past 50 years

Smee_Again

rossie1977 wrote: »

Silly argument anyway. Reagan, Bush Jr and Sr are the only presidents to start 'new wars' past 50 years

What’s the common denominator there?

rossie1977

rossie1977 wrote: »

Silly argument anyway. Reagan, Bush Jr and Sr are the only presidents to start 'new wars' past 50 years

Even sillier given that they haven't issued a formal declaration of war since 1942.

carlirl

Smee_Again wrote: »

What’s the common denominator there?

Dunno,

Irish descendants possibly??

Tell me how

Smee_Again wrote: »

What’s the common denominator there?

'Accuse others of that which you are guilty'.

ohnonotgmail

carlirl wrote: »

Dunno,

Irish descendants possibly??

you can't blame the irish for the Bushs. They are of english descent.

everlast75

Nunes' jimmies were really rustled in order to call in such a favour from Barr.

https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/status/1394409638808932356?s=19

duploelabs

Qanon: let's drive out the paedophiles out of Washington.
A shrivelled monkey claw's finger gently curls, then this...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/05/matt-gaetz-joel-greenberg-plea-deal

Billy Mays

duploelabs wrote: »

Qanon: let's drive out the paedophiles out of Washington.
A shrivelled monkey claw's finger gently curls, then this...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/05/matt-gaetz-joel-greenberg-plea-deal

Cody montana

Billy Mays wrote: »

The Republican party is becoming more extreme.
Not sure how the middle could vote for them.
And the house gop leader says nothing.

Billy Mays

The Qanon politician going on a nationwide tour with the politician accused of trafficing minors for sex

The Raging Bile Duct

Billy Mays wrote: »

The Qanon politician going on a nationwide tour with the politician accused of trafficing minors for sex

Hello?!?! He just wanted to have sex with them. He didn't want to drink their Adrenochrome afterwards. Totally different thing altogether.

PropJoe10

Cody montana wrote: »

The Republican party is becoming more extreme.
Not sure how the middle could vote for them.
And the house gop leader says nothing.

The house GOP leader is half the problem. A born liar. Utterly gutless. Two weeks after Biden was elected, he was slinking off to Mar-A-Lago to cosy up to Trump having made a speech blaming him for the insurrection in mid January. The GOP is utterly spineless and is going down a very very dark path.

Penn

Cody montana wrote: »

The Republican party is becoming more extreme.
Not sure how the middle could vote for them.
And the house gop leader says nothing.

Saw someone say it well on Twitter recently, which is that appealing to Trump and the extremes of the GOP will help any candidate in the primary, but would damage them hugely in the election. So there's a good chance some potential candidates might court that extreme side to get the nomination, then move swiftly away from them to try appeal to the middle when it comes to the election itself.

Professor Moriarty

PropJoe10 wrote: »

The house GOP leader is half the problem. A born liar. Utterly gutless. Two weeks after Biden was elected, he was slinking off to Mar-A-Lago to cosy up to Trump having made a speech blaming him for the insurrection in mid January. The GOP is utterly spineless and is going down a very very dark path.

Objectively, as things stand, the GOP has little choice. Better to have Trump inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. If they disown him and cast him out, they will immediately haemorrhage a sizeable cohort of supporters.

everlast75

Billy Mays wrote: »

The dj is a hero!

https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1393797369251074055?s=20

Tell me how

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Objectively, as things stand, the GOP has little choice. Better to have Trump inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. If they disown him and cast him out, they will immediately haemorrhage a sizeable cohort of supporters.

I wouldn't agree entirely with this summation.

You are correct with respect to where they are right now, but, they are in this position because they choose that path. They had the opportunity to play on their supposed love for the constitution by cutting him loose when he started undermining the election and certainly when he incited the insurrection.

But, while they blamed him for it, even publicly, the refused to do anything towards sanctioning him for it and instead blue smoke up his ass with the gold statue of him (which was made in Mexico) at the GOP conference and then handing him the keys to the party by announcing publicly that he was their future.

When you say they would have hemorrhaged votes, hemorrhaged them to where? Definitely none of them would have gone to the Democrats and maybe some might have gone Libertarian, it would have been small members. US people change their political party allegiance less frequently than they change their bank and while Trump would have bleated about starting his own party, it would have gotten about as far as his social media platform.

PropJoe10

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Objectively, as things stand, the GOP has little choice. Better to have Trump inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. If they disown him and cast him out, they will immediately haemorrhage a sizeable cohort of supporters.

On the other hand, keeping him around ensures that they'll never gain enough votes to actually get back into power. I realise they're in an impossible position but cosying up to a guy that encouraged an attack on the Capitol and continues to lie about the election being stolen from him is not going to end well in the long run.


There's a high percentage of the US population that will just vote Republican anyway, regardless of whether Trump is there or not. They need to start working past this guy - ditch him, and try to start building bridges with his base. Continuing to work with him is never going to end in anything but disaster for that party.

Professor Moriarty

PropJoe10 wrote: »

On the other hand, keeping him around ensures that they'll never gain enough votes to actually get back into power. I realise they're in an impossible position but cosying up to a guy that encouraged an attack on the Capitol and continues to lie about the election being stolen from him is not going to end well in the long run.


There's a high percentage of the US population that will just vote Republican anyway, regardless of whether Trump is there or not. They need to start working past this guy - ditch him, and try to start building bridges with his base. Continuing to work with him is never going to end in anything but disaster for that party.

It is an impossible position. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. It looks like they've opted to keep him inside the tent so I suppose the party strategists see that as the least worst option.

Tell me how

Look at this for BS

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1394651843733696513

So much for 'Law and Order' but of course we knew all that. At least they're not disappointing us by acting differently.

Professor Moriarty

Tell me how wrote: »

Look at this for BS

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1394651843733696513

So much for 'Law and Order' but of course we knew all that. At least they're not disappointing us by acting differently.

The Donald is the man. If you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.

Tony EH

Tell me how wrote: »

I wouldn't agree entirely with this summation.

You are correct with respect to where they are right now, but, they are in this position because they choose that path. They had the opportunity to play on their supposed love for the constitution by cutting him loose when he started undermining the election and certainly when he incited the insurrection.

But, while they blamed him for it, even publicly, the refused to do anything towards sanctioning him for it and instead blue smoke up his ass with the gold statue of him (which was made in Mexico) at the GOP conference and then handing him the keys to the party by announcing publicly that he was their future.

When you say they would have hemorrhaged votes, hemorrhaged them to where? Definitely none of them would have gone to the Democrats and maybe some might have gone Libertarian, it would have been small members. US people change their political party allegiance less frequently than they change their bank and while Trump would have bleated about starting his own party, it would have gotten about as far as his social media platform.

OTOH though, the GOP need to shit or get off the pot at this stage. Hmmming and hawing about Trump does them no favours and it might be better to rip the plaster off now while there's still years left to build a campaign against the Democrats in 2024.

Trump is a blight and so are the reprehensible tossers that both surround him and gravitate toward him. But the Republican Party knew that before they sold their souls. They didn't even want him as their ticket originally and only changed their tune when they saw his moronic support row in behind him. The party know that a substantial number of their base are as thick as two short planks and they have been playing that crowd for years. But now Trump has their ear and he could turn them against the GOP very quickly, as they are willing to believe just about any old horse crap that "confirms" their limited opinions. But even if the Republicans have to sacrifice 2024, they need to be rid of Donald Trump, because the end when it comes won't be pretty for them no matter.

And speaking as someone who cares for neither US political party, they need to cut the ties fast if they are to rebuild after the failure of Trump and his cronies. Trump can yap about forming a new party all he wants and he will draw off a certain number of GOP voters, most of which would be for a limited time. But it probably would be enough to damage any Republican hope for a White House victory. But it might be better for them if that were to happen at the early stage in the run up to 2024.

In any case, the longer Trump hangs around, the worse it is for the Republicans ambitions for power.