What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

I would be more than happy to discuss reasoned constructive dialogue regarding Trump's future after the election. What I have no interest in is discussing mere hateful comments about Trump, the questions asking me to defend things divergent from my comments, or the personal abuse directed at me that goes unnoticed.

I believe I asked you earlier to list some of Trump's policies that you disagreed with. Would you like to try that now?

everlast75

notobtuse wrote: »

I would be more than happy to discuss reasoned constructive dialogue regarding Trump's future after the election.

Your posts say otherwise

Tell me how

notobtuse wrote: »

I would be more than happy to discuss reasoned constructive dialogue regarding Trump's future after the election. What I have no interest in is discussing mere hateful comments about Trump, the questions asking me to defend things divergent from my comments, or the personal abuse directed at me that goes unnoticed.

This reads like Lindsey Graham or Mitch McConnell saying after Jan 6th that the causes for what happened were false and needed to stop, and then they went 100% in the other direction.

notobtuse

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe I asked you earlier to list some of Trump's policies that you disagreed with. Would you like to try that now?

I must say I would like to answer, and two come to mind right away, but what does that have to do with Trump's future? I, and only me for some bizarre reason, have been warned not to comment on some past occurrences regarding Trump and am unsure where the line is drawn, so I'm only going to comment on Trump's present and future going forward in this thread. Don't want to get threadbanned, ya know. Do you have something regarding Trump's future you'd like to discuss?

notobtuse

everlast75 wrote: »

Your posts say otherwise

I'd disagree.

Tell me how

notobtuse wrote: »

I must say I would like to answer, and two come to mind right away, but what does that have to do with Trump's future? I, and only me for some bizarre reason, have been warned not to comment on some past occurrences regarding Trump and am unsure where the line is drawn, so I'm only going to comment on Trump's present and future going forward in this thread. Don't want to get threadbanned, ya know. Do you have something regarding Trump's future you'd like to discuss?

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Brilliant.

I'll play along.
If Trump wants to run in 2024 and he does so and wins, do you think he will lie less while President from 2025 to 2029 than he did while President from 2017 to 2021?
Secondly, how far in to his Presidency, do you think it will take for him to deliver the healthcare plan he promised would be ready on day one of his first Presidency which started in January of 2017?

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

I must say I would like to answer, and two come to mind right away, but what does that have to do with Trump's future? I, and only me for some bizarre reason, have been warned not to comment on some past occurrences regarding Trump and am unsure where the line is drawn, so I'm only going to comment on Trump's present and future going forward in this thread. Don't want to get threadbanned, ya know. Do you have something regarding Trump's future you'd like to discuss?

You were threatened with a threadban for bringing up a conspiracy. Asking for what policies you disagree with has nothing to do with that and his policies are entirely relevant if his flock wants him to run for president again in the future.

So, list some of his policies that you disagree with.

notobtuse

Tell me how wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Brilliant.

I'll play along.
If Trump wants to run in 2024 and he does so and wins, do you think he will lie less while President from 2025 to 2029 than he did while President from 2017 to 2021?
Secondly, how far in to his Presidency, do you think it will take for him to deliver the healthcare plan he promised would be ready on day one of his first Presidency which started in January of 2017?

I hope he doesn't run in 2024 and will not vote for him in the GOP primary if he does. Not because I'd disagree with him, but because he is too divisive an individual and because of democrats unhinged hatred against him and they're unwillingness to do what is best for the country just to vote against anything and everything he tries to get done. But if he would happen to win the next election I don't see him changing his tactics.

I don't see substantial healthcare reform accomplished by legislation in my lifetime by any democrat or republican unless the political climate changes. Sure presidents will issue executive orders, but what is done by EO can be undone by the next guy/gal by EO.

PropJoe10

notobtuse wrote: »

I hope he doesn't run in 2024 and will not vote for him in the GOP primary if he does. Not because I'd disagree with him, but because he is too divisive an individual and because of democrats unhinged hatred against him and they're unwillingness to do what is best for the country just to vote against anything and everything he tries to get done. But if he would happen to win the next election I don't see him changing his tactics.

I don't see substantial healthcare reform accomplished by legislation in my lifetime by any democrat or republican unless the political climate changes. Sure presidents will issue executive orders, but what is done by EO can be undone by the next guy/gal by EO.

Like the Republicans did with Obama in his second term you mean?

notobtuse

Deleted User wrote: »

You were threatened with a threadban for bringing up a conspiracy. Asking for what policies you disagree with has nothing to do with that and his policies are entirely relevant if his flock wants him to run for president again in the future.

So, list some of his policies that you disagree with.

Okay, I'll play along in a safe and cautious manner. If he would happen to win the presidency back I'd hope he wouldn't repeat his trade war with China as China would keep their businesses afloat no matter what and wait out any and all sanctions. I'd also hope he doesn't try to totally kill ObamaCare again, and let it stand as another healthcare alternative for people to choose from, but instead let it sink or swim without massive inputs of taxpayer money as it was sold to us by Barack Obama.

Tell me how

notobtuse wrote: »

I hope he doesn't run in 2024 and will not vote for him in the GOP primary if he does. Not because I'd disagree with him, but because he is too divisive an individual and because of democrats unhinged hatred against him and they're unwillingness to do what is best for the country just to vote against anything and everything he tries to get done. But if he would happen to win the next election I don't see him changing his tactics.

I don't see substantial healthcare reform accomplished by legislation in my lifetime by any democrat or republican unless the political climate changes. Sure presidents will issue executive orders, but what is done by EO can be undone by the next guy/gal by EO.

You must be infuriated to see Republicans vote against the American Rescue Plan and the Voting Rights Bill.

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

Okay, I'll play along in a safe and cautious manner. If he would happen to win the presidency back I'd hope he wouldn't repeat his trade war with China as China would keep their businesses afloat no matter what and wait out any and all sanctions. I'd also hope he doesn't try to totally kill ObamaCare again, and let it stand as another healthcare alternative for people to choose from, but instead let it sink or swim without massive inputs of taxpayer money as it was sold to us by Barack Obama.

Those would be the policies that you most dislike? Do you approve of his family separation policy?

notobtuse

Tell me how wrote: »

You must be infuriated to see Republicans vote against the American Rescue Plan and the Voting Rights Bill.

I'm glad republicans stopped the "Screw The People Act" which was little more than a way for democrats to make it that they never loose another federal election by allowing massive fraud, and a way for the federal government to infringe on states' authority to conduct their own elections without fraud.

notobtuse

Deleted User wrote: »

Those would be the policies that you most dislike? Do you approve of his family separation policy?

I support a zero tolerance approach to deter illegal immigration. We have a method for legal immigration that EVERYONE seeking to emigrate to the US must follow.

astrofool

notobtuse wrote: »

I support a zero tolerance approach to deter illegal immigration. We have a method for legal immigration that EVERYONE seeking to emigrate to the US must follow.

I don't believe the legal method separates families, from that, can we take it that you don't support the separation of parents from their children at the border or as part of the immigration process?

notobtuse

astrofool wrote: »

I don't believe the legal method separates families, from that, can we take it that you don't support the separation of parents from their children at the border or as part of the immigration process?

I support not letting ANY illegal immigrant in to begin with.

duploelabs

notobtuse wrote: »

I support not letting ANY illegal immigrant in to begin with.

Good luck eating in any restaurant then

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

I support not letting ANY illegal immigrant in to begin with.

That wasn't the question that was asked. You can not let any immigrants in without the need to separate children from their parents.

Tyrone212

Barely hear about the midden of shiite anymore. Long may it continue.

fullstop

notobtuse wrote: »

“Harris and Biden were given the strongest Border in American history. And now, it is by far the worst in American history.”.

It’s almost like he’s describing his own efforts with the economy

He should go play golf, he’s spent the last 5 years playing nearly every day, why stop now?

Old buddy Rudi has had his law practicing licence suspended. He can play golf with Rudi.

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1408105419462131723?s=20

astrofool

notobtuse wrote: »

I support not letting ANY illegal immigrant in to begin with.

You do seem to have mastered the art of running away and standing still at the same time at least

But look, if you're that afraid to post your opinions, you can't believe in them that strongly.

uptherebels

notobtuse wrote: »

I'm glad republicans stopped the "Screw The People Act" which was little more than a way for democrats to make it that they never loose another federal election by allowing massive fraud, and a way for the federal government to infringe on states' authority to conduct their own elections without fraud.

How would it have allowed massive fraud?

notobtuse

duploelabs wrote: »

Good luck eating in any restaurant then

You hit the nail on the head. Once in it's a free for all and becoming almost impossible for them to be deported. The son of a friend of mine had his truck demolished by an illegal alien who was driving without insurance. The son's insurance had to pay for the value of his truck and his rates skyrocketed as a result from something not his fault. My mother almost died from bleeding because illegal immigrants who don't have healthcare insurance and don't want to pay just go to hospital emergency rooms and claim they have chest pains knowing they can't be turned away and protocol dictates they go to the head of the line in treatment. I watched as people got their kids with sniffles treated as they watched my mother almost bleed out. I bet you see nothing wrong with this... and of course you wouldn't because illegal immigration in the US is just something you read about and not something you have to confront daily

notobtuse

astrofool wrote: »

You do seem to have mastered the art of running away and standing still at the same time at least

But look, if you're that afraid to post your opinions, you can't believe in them that strongly.

I guess you don't understand what zero tolerance means and meant. If that means separating family members to serve as a deterrent to keeping people from deciding to illegally cross the border then so be it. That the parents would rather be separated from their children rather than go back across the boarder and keep the family intact says more about them than it does about our laws.

notobtuse

uptherebels wrote: »

How would it have allowed massive fraud?

I guess you'll have to look it up... and try going with something other than a democrat handmaiden, liberal and leftist media source. Sorry, but I can't answer without going into the history of the subject mater I was told not to comment on again.

astrofool

notobtuse wrote: »

I guess you don't understand what zero tolerance means and meant. If that means separating family members to serve as a deterrent to keeping people from deciding to illegally cross the border then so be it. That the parents would rather be separated from their children rather than go back across the boarder and keep the family intact says more about them than it does about our laws.

So you agree with separating children from their parents, why all the palaver and tongue twisting before saying it.

You can then add your zero tolerance about immigration due to the anecdotes you mention above if you wish, but it took multiple posts to get your opinion out of you.

Igotadose

notobtuse wrote: »

You hit the nail on the head. Once in it's a free for all and becoming almost impossible for them to be deported. The son of a friend of mine had his truck demolished by an illegal alien who was driving without insurance. The son's insurance had to pay for the value of his truck and his rates skyrocketed as a result from something not his fault. My mother almost died from bleeding because illegal immigrants who don't have healthcare insurance and don't want to pay just go to hospital emergency rooms and claim they have chest pains knowing they can't be turned away and protocol dictates they go to the head of the line in treatment. I watched as people got their kids with sniffles treated as they watched my mother almost bleed out. I bet you see nothing wrong with this... and of course you wouldn't because illegal immigration in the US is just something you read about and not something you have to confront daily

How did you identify the people in the ER waiting room as "Illegal aliens?" And, obvious question, your hospital sounds like a kip. How do they do triage? Or, was it the case your mother's US health insurance was inadequate for purpose?

notobtuse

Igotadose wrote: »

How did you identify the people in the ER waiting room as "Illegal aliens?" And, obvious question, your hospital sounds like a kip. How do they do triage? Or, was it the case your mother's US health insurance was inadequate for purpose?

No English, no identification, no address, unwilling to provide relative information. You overhear everything sitting in an emergency room. It's not hard to identify illegal aliens... spend a couple weeks here and you'll see. My mother had Medicare and a supplement insurance.

Claiming chest pain, abdominal pain, etc automatically gets you the ability to be seen and prioritized in ER's and illegals sure know such terms.

Undocumented aliens’ use of medical services has been a long-standing issue for hospitals, particularly among those located along the U.S.-Mexican border. As required by federal law (The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act or EMTALA), hospitals participating in Medicare must medically screen all persons seeking emergency care and provide the treatment necessary to stabilize those who have an emergency condition, regardless of payment method or insurance status.

https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/fact-sheets/emergency-health-services-undocumented-aliens

notobtuse

astrofool wrote: »

So you agree with separating children from their parents, why all the palaver and tongue twisting before saying it.

You can then add your zero tolerance about immigration due to the anecdotes you mention above if you wish, but it took multiple posts to get your opinion out of you.

You don't have a target on your back.

I see the problems caused by illegal immigration and a total disregard for our laws is not something that is good for this country. That is why I'm against ILLEGAL immigration. I support legal immigration. I was born in the US while my mother was still a citizen of Ireland but going through the LEGAL process of becoming a US citizen.