What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

notobtuse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117777634#Comment_117777634

So that's what you think of about half the US population, eh?

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117777767#Comment_117777767

You organise it so that the lines in Democrat areas are longer and so those areas have a bigger need for water in the middle of the line (as someone from Ireland the concept of a queue to vote is so alien in itself). How is giving someone water 150 feet away soliciting votes and 151 is not? that is just confusing. giving money I get. Hey if you give someone a prime steak I could nearly see it. A literal bottle of water is not going to swing anyone. The idea is just to have less people voting, if everyone eligible votes then the Republicans have no chance. They need to stop or discourage as many people voting as possible to have a chance.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117777924#Comment_117777924

Closer to only a third of the US population approved of him in his last few polls, and the majority of that third are not his "followers", they just don't despise him.

So no, people like yourself who will defend him no matter what are in the severe minority and are being laughed at by the overwhelming majority of Americans.

Strumms

I think the Republicans will do their upmost to distance themselves from him. They’d be better looking for younger more dynamic individual as opposed to a guy with baggage, a guy with a track record of controversy, divisiveness and failure who would be 79 years of age come polling time...

Biden has said he intends to run again which is a bit mad, he’d be 86 by my reckoning on leaving office the second time...

notobtuse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117777945#Comment_117777945

Me? I don't have any say on how elections are handled. That is up the the county board of elections. They could expand the number of voting machines if they want. And this might come as a shocker but in heavily urban areas controlled by democrats the board of elections are mostly made up of democrats.

When I schlep for my daughter on election night I make sure to stay 150 feet back as I hand out political things and water and treats. Occasionally I might step into the 149 foot range because I’m a rebel. Personally, I'd rather hand out pints, but that sort of thing is really frowned upon. 😉

everlast75

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1428443292727922692?s=19

He's a ****ing brazen liar.

At the very least, if you cannot accept that, then go drink your Kool aid.

banie01

Surprised to not see the news of the QGOP big lie Trumpster who drove a truck bomb to Washington in here.

This what humouring election conspiracy BS leads to. It will get worse, and this idiot really is a doozy.

Not only did he buy the big lie, he loaded up a truck with tannerite, drove it to Washington and parked by the Library of Congress and SC threatening to blow it up. Went to Congress and Court, whilst they're both in recess 😉

Claimed the revolution is on, "that the south is coming for you Joe" Then following that great southern tradition surrendered.

In the rambling video, he addressed President Biden, demanding to speak with him or a representative, and sometimes showed a metal object in his lap. He described himself as “a patriot” and expressed grievances with Democrats. He repeatedly said he did not want to die or hurt anyone but warned that the device would explode if the police fired at him, though he offered no evidence to support that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/19/us/library-of-congress-evacuation.html

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117778004#Comment_117778004

You are aware that people that have been standing in line can't go back out of the 150ft area for water without giving up their spot right? Should they be able to figure out just how long the queue is before starting?

What problem is this trying to solve. Like at all? Ban political messages, let people hand out water to people in the queue. The only possible benefit is to stop people voting. There is no other reason to stop giving people water. Or are laws brought in for no reason?

notobtuse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117778027#Comment_117778027

If you're within 150 feet you're not going to be in line very long. Been there, done that.

Tippex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117767183#Comment_117767183

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117767376#Comment_117767376

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117768862#Comment_117768862

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117776999#Comment_117776999

Ok so now we have some clarity.

How many times in this thread in the last week alone have you mentioned wanting the results of these "forensic audits" and having multiple users including myself going to the bother of engaging with you on the Arizona audit including posting links to articles around said forensic audits only for you to post "Sorry, don't know anything about that and, honestly, not worth my time to look into it"

You also had the audacity to make a post that says "Not true. I answer those who remain in my good graces.

The aim of a forensic audit is to get a true picture of what happened in the election by administering recounts, discarding errors such as double counts, detecting local outliers to the usual patterns of election results based on voter registration, voting turnout, and voting shares."

I am asking you politely that if you want your opinion to be taken in any way seriously please engage in good faith and read articles & educate yourself that we go to the effort of posting.

I will also ask you again that if the forensic audit does not uncover what you are hoping it uncovers where will that leave you in your belief that the election was rigged?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117777920#Comment_117777920

“What really went on” was a free and fair election that Trump lost.

Come on man, you’re better than this conspiracy theory nonsense. its absolutely ludicrous to waste time and money on a forensic audit. There’s absolutely nothing to suggest it’s needed.

Even some paper thing evidence would justify it a little, but it doesn’t exist.

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117778050#Comment_117778050

So at best they made a pointless line? If no one will be in line for very long during the period they won't get water what was the point in banning it?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117777920#Comment_117777920

What’s a forensic audit. Explain in your own words.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117777924#Comment_117777924

He only got what, 70 million votes out of 340 million people? How is that half?

BobbyMalone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117778012#Comment_117778012

They don't care. Even the news of this was not only not met with outrage by the usual suspects, but one said that they 'understand citizenry anger directed at dictatorial socialism and its threat to liberty'.

That's doubling-down on a monumental scale.

https://twitter.com/RepMoBrooks/status/1428422048368533515

relax carry on

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117776965#Comment_117776965

Pretty sure my post was that Trumps loss was not the fault of the media but rather Trump himself. His own Twitter feed alone was enough for any sane individual to see him for what he is. No media creation/interpretation/factual stories required. That's before you add on his own rambling "speeches"; his mishandling of literally everything he was supposed to do as POTUS; his inexplicable talent to surround himself with people who somehow kept getting convictions, etc. Trump lost the election because of the type of person he is. His failures as a human being, businessman, politician and world leader cost him. Why he or his core fanatics can't see it, shows just how far detached from reality they are.

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117777634#Comment_117777634

I agree. Anyone supporting Trump or the Big Lie is a racist, a fascist, hated democracy and if they are American then they are a traitor.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117778127#Comment_117778127

you're wasting your time.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117778162#Comment_117778162

Come on man, you’re better than this conspiracy theory nonsense. 

their posting history suggests that this isn't true.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779247#Comment_117779247

Myself and that poster have been arguing since Bush v Kerry.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779275#Comment_117779275

so you should know better.

Thinkingaboutit

Pres Trump (the US use is that ex-govs etc are still Governor) has a decent chance to return. He remains a celeb with a massive draw and we see the consequences of Pres Biden discarding the May withdrawal reason for reasons of empty vanity (to have 9/11 withdrawal). The Taleban paused while the deal was in force and started moving when the deal was clearly dead. Non consecutive presidencies have happened. Likely won't be homeless. De Santis the Florida governor might not be content to be a candidate VP. Interesting.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117777767#Comment_117777767

There are rules here in Ireland about Solicitation near polling places as well - Posters , People wearing badges/shirts etc. containing political messaging and so on are not allowed within a set distance, which I think is 100 yards but happy to be corrected on the exact number.

We also have a complete Media blackout for 24 hours before and throughout Election day. No Politician is allowed be in the media during that period , no opinion polling or exit polls can be published until all voting is complete.

However we don't need a law banning people from handing out Water or Energy bars , because there is NEVER a queue to vote and people are in out and gone in less than 5 minutes without exception. There is never a queue because there are plenty of polling places that are all open from 7am until 10pm on Election day.

Let's walk through the underlying source of the problem in the US shall we?

Why do they need to hand out water at polling places in the US?

Because people are often standing in line for several hours to cast their vote , sometimes for 6+ hours.

Why are they standing in line for hours to vote , that just doesn't happen in any other modern democracy?

Because GOP legislators close polling places in huge numbers for various spurious reasons , coincidentally in areas that don't typically vote for them.

Why do they do that?

Because they can firstly , but mostly because they know that if they allow simply easy access to voting for all eligible citizen , they lose every time . But rather than trying to find out why people don't vote for them and update their "manifesto" with something more acceptable to more people , they simply choose to make it as awkward as conceivably possible for people in certain areas and demographics to vote.

Just like where in Georgia, when told that a number of polling places in a majority Black district didn't meet the access standard for those with disabilities , Brian Kemp as SoS simply shut 7 out of 9 sites rather than address the issues.

Election integrity my arse.

Leroy42

Exactly, which is why Trump & Co are so against postal voting. It swings the effort required to vote back in favour of the voters and means that millions more will, and did vote. Trump is perfectly right when he says that he had been told that if he got 74m votes he would win, under the previous voting regimes that would have been correct.

But the massive increase in postal voting, and the increase in voting overall, meant that his increase became nothing more than a statistic.

So, the GOP now need to stop that happening again. They need to ensure that the effort required to vote puts significant numbers of people off voting. Instead of looking at making things easier to vote - more polling stations, more polling booths, longer hours etc etc, they are focused on shutting the voters rights back down.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779489#Comment_117779489

The withdrawal will be a handy stick to beat Biden with for the usual right-wing mouthpieces (and boy are they doing just that), but the fact is that the American people were sick and tired of that war and sending troops there. We all knew the fate of Afghanistan once the Americans pulled out. The only major surprise was the rapidity of the Taliban advance.

Will Trump be in the frame for 2024? I think he will if A) he wants to be and B) his health and legal status allows. Given both those, I see no sign of him dropping down the table of most popular Rep candidates. The trouble for Trump is that he's pandering a bit too much to his base and not enough to the middle ground, and Trump has not the will or capacity to change. Part of his appeal in 2016 was that he was a true Washington outsider, or about as much a one as you're ever likely to get on a major ticket, and people were prepared to take a punt on him and see what happens. Well, now we know what would happen. The question another Trump run would pose is, "2017 to 2021.... Want more of that?"

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779284#Comment_117779284

Probably. But I believe people can be convinced

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779691#Comment_117779691

Indeed.

Limit the polling places and force multi-hour queues making it extremely difficult for low wage , hourly rate employees to be able to afford the time off the vote.

Introduce ID laws requiring specific types of ID and then make access to the places to obtain that ID difficult to get to , with limited opening hours again making it onerous and too costly for low wage people to take the time off required to travel to these locations to queue up and get their ID.

If you are living paycheck to paycheck on a zero hour contract you can't afford to take a day off to go and vote or to take a day off to go and pay for an ID that you don't need for anything else just so that you can be allowed to vote.

briany

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779788#Comment_117779788

Yep.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779732#Comment_117779732

The GOP have stuck themselves between a rock and a hard place.

Fundamentally , Trump is unelectable and they know it, however his "base" is vital to them in terms of votes even in redder than red locations.

Few if any GOP candidates will get through the Primary whilst vocally being anti-Trump because of said base.

So , they have to continue to pander to his pathetic fragile wounded ego to get themselves through the Primaries. Even in very red states , the loss of the MAGA base would put even some of the most secure GOP seats in play.

However , by staying "Trumpy" they alienate a sizeable chunk of the Independent voters that they need to win anywhere that's remotely "swing-y".

This is why they are ramping up the voting suppression legislation , it's absolutely essential to their hopes of survival, not just their hopes of regaining control of the House/Senate in 2022.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779828#Comment_117779828

And if that all fails, Y'all Qaeda will have had four years to analyse the mistakes they made in their planning for Jan 6th, 2021.