What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117879025#Comment_117879025

Maybe it's not that much of a wonder. People were willing to look past his personality because he was saying things in 2016 that no other politician was saying, and saying them from a tall platform. He was expressing a huge amount of political frustration on behalf of the American public. People who like Trump are pleased that he upsets and polarises people as well, so this makes every cr*ppy thing he does not only forgivable, but desirable. It's pretty much the whole point of the man as a politician. Steve Bannon says it himself - Trump's a chaotic, disruptive force and that's the heart of his appeal. We all know Trump is a compulsive liar who'll lie about anything, but again Trump fans don't care. They love to see left-leaning news networks spit out their dummy and jabber with incredulity as Trump says something demonstrably untrue. 'Flood the zone with sh*t' is how Steve Bannon refers to the strategy. Hit them with so much crap, they don't know what's going on.

That's why even if Trump doesn't run again, he'll still be a political force. It's all about agitate, agitate, agitate.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117880406#Comment_117880406

He's a spent force. Helis appeal is over, save to the most ardent supporters.

He's boring, passé, a caricature of himself.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117880896#Comment_117880896

The problem there is that his most ardent supporters are basically a majority of the Republican base. It's not as if his support has dwindled down to an easy-to-ignore minority of people. If you have the ear of that many people, it cannot be accurate to be called a spent force. Not without qualifiers, at least. Maybe a spent force in terms of becoming the US president again because he's shown his hand, what he'd be like, and would mobilise the opposing vote like no-one else, but in terms of being able to cast a large shadow over the political landscape, no, not a spent force at all.

Richard Hillman

Turns out that Donny was out meeting police and firemen whilst the others were at the commemoration

https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-surprises-nypd-fdny-9-11-anniversary-new-york/?amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881219#Comment_117881219

Yep, and whined like the pathetic little b*yotch he, his followers and supporters are. Then went to whine at a 'pay for view' scam where a 58 year old boxer lost in the first round.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881219#Comment_117881219

Because he is incapable of sharing the spotlight. The event really needs to be about him, regardless of what is actually about.

He won't accept being just one of the ExPotus beside Biden, because he doesn't respect the office.

And sitting beside Obama, Biden, he'll even GWBush, he knows he won't come out of that well.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117882874#Comment_117882874

He was even giving out that Biden didn't speak at any of the three locations. Probably because he can't understand what it means to pay your respects to others rather than making it about himself. Bush made a speech, because he was President at the time of the attacks.

Instead, Trump while talking to the NYPD and FDNY, many of whom would have served during 9/11 or lost friends/family that day, started giving out about Biden and how the election was rigged.

Utterly despicable man.

Igotadose

In #IMPOTUSx2 related news, a few more lawyers getting sanctioned, this time in Colorado. Rule of law is a great thing, and lawyers DO have to behave. Dominion v. Sidney Powell et al will be so entertaining.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/08/04/pro-trump-attorneys-sanctioned-in-colorado-over-election-lawsuit---one-enormous-conspiracy-theory-judge-fumes/

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881247#Comment_117881247

I'm kind of curious how that event went for him, especially given the day it was on. Half-wondering if the surprise FDNY visit was just to cover his ass in case he was called out for spending 9/11 at a boxing match (not that he'd ever really care).

Did he actually turn up at the arena or was he just doing voice over? I can easily imagine this being a tedious experience for a boxing fan:

Announcer: Holyfield is dodging left

Trump: ...and of course then you had the massive dumps of ballots....

Announcer: A good parry from Belfort he's moving fast

Trump: ...the Governor knew. It is a disgrace, he should have recalled the electors and....

Announcer: And Holyfield is down! It looks like a KO...

Trump: ...the greatest fraud in American history, or maybe the World. Who knows?

Annoucer: And there goes the bell, ending Round 1 in less than 2 minutes.

Trump: ...and what's more. Pence should have known better....

everlast75

This was the best comment I saw about Trump and the fight...

https://twitter.com/NotHoodlum/status/1437104180834050063?s=19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881219#Comment_117881219

There was nothing preventing him from doing that and attending official commemorations.... Instead he went to a boxing match.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117885468#Comment_117885468

Expect that he knows he cant't compare to the others, its an inferiority complex and why is constantly tells everyone he is the best.

He can't let his deeds do the talking, it all about show and he can't share the limelight. There are multiple examples. The NATO summit where he pushed passed, he inability to let Fauci take the lead.

So rather than go the official commemorations, where he would not be top billing, he instead took a last minute tour of a fire station, where all the media were on him and everyone no doubt said how honoured they were to get a visit

Tony EH

He didn't go because he's a fucking coward. He's spent months pissing and moaning about a "stolen election" and just didn't have the balls to go and stand by the people he accused of stealing.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886206#Comment_117886206

Yes, but I think he also didn't go because it plays better with his supporters. He and they are so entrenched in this idea of him not playing the Washington game that any opportunity to break with protocol is seen as a welcome F-you to the establishment. He's gone so far with this baseless conspiracy that the election was rigged that he can't really do normal ex-president things like show up at inaugurations. He's off in his own world with his cult.

HalloweenJack

I don't think he does the normal ex-president things (or normal president things when he was in the WH) because he simply can't be arsed. He's not a career politician. It's not his world and he's not interested, which is actually fair enough.

The problem is his supporters take that and turn it into him being some anti-establishment crusader who's a persona non grata in political circles as a result.

everlast75

What a time to be alive

https://twitter.com/farhip/status/1437597589684293640?s=19

Igotadose

Once Barron's 18, I expect Melania to go buh-bye from the marriage. But, in the meantime, now her laughable aide Stephanie Grisham, one time invisible POTUS press secretary, is apparently throwing Melania under the bus in a memoir.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/13/politics/stephanie-grisham-melania-trump-january-6/index.html

The fact that Melania said "no" when asked to make a conciliatory, calming statement during the 6 Jan insurrection is no surprise. She's just a mail-order zombie bride. I hope Jill restores the Rose Garden.

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888042#Comment_117888042

Lol. Even reporting unsubstantiated rumours they get it wrong. It was the cousins friend (who totally just didn't get an STD but anyway).

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887761#Comment_117887761

It's not that he's "Not Interested" per se.

It's that "He's not interested if it isn't all about him" - Attending something with other Former POTUS means he's not the centre of attention and he simply can't stand that.

His narcissism wouldn't survive.

Anything and everything that he does is all about him and how it makes him look and feel. Sharing the limelight or even simply fading into the background and just being there doesn't compute for him.

Explains why he couldn't understand why Biden didn't make a speech on the day , he simply couldn't comprehend why Biden wouldn't take the chance at centre stage or why it was important just to be there and not say anything.

An utterly selfish narcissist with no redeeming human qualities.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888513#Comment_117888513

the fact that some here admire him really is a shocking indictment of how low their bar is when it comes to role models.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888526#Comment_117888526

Not really when you read some of the threads on here.

Birds of a feather as the saying goes (most polite way to put it).

everlast75

Once again, what we suspected is proven to be true

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1437829837415145479?s=19

francois

Newsom recall fails, Elder predictably mutters about fraud.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893060#Comment_117893060

2-1 in favour of Newsom.

Surely even GOP won't try to spin that gap. Newsom even won a slightly bigger percentage than Biden won in beating Trump. Which he did. Bigly.

Penn

They'll no doubt try to push the narrative about voter fraud, the fact Elder's website had links to sites which were claiming proof of same before the election even happened is proof of this. They likely just won't claim its enough to overturn the results, but voter fraud is the narrative they need to keep pushing regardless for the sake of next year's midterm elections.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893060#Comment_117893060

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893185#Comment_117893185

Sure they started claiming fraud before the Election was over.

Elder launched a website on Monday claiming that his team had found "clear evidence of fraud in the results".

Which is amazing given that the election wasn't until Tuesday and no votes had been viewed ,counted or even opened when he launched his "Stop the steal" website.

It's their standard playbook now.

I saw it put like this somewhere overnight - When the GOP win it's "A Landslide" no matter how thin the margin and when they lose it's only down to "Widespread fraud".

It's a risky tactic though.. Keep telling your hard core that their votes won't be counted because of fraud and they might just not bother actually voting.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893372#Comment_117893372

They may not bother voting, but that doesn't mean they'd sit on their hands indefinitely. The type of people who stormed the Capitol in January are probably still around and would try something else eventually, such is their conviction that the system is rigged against their man and their movement.

Trump hasn't just been claiming fraud before the election. He even claimed it after he won in 2016. He's been very consistent with that type of rhetoric. It's worrying - it's the kind of thing you expect to see from some failed state down in Africa with Mugabe or in Central Asia with Rahmon. Not in the supposed greatest democracy in the world. Shows how far they've fallen in education and critical thinking when this type of rhetoric is allowed to take hold there.

Fathom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117706429#Comment_117706429

No objective evidence provided by Trump or his allies for election fraud. Just repetitious claims that have failed in over 60 state and federal court cases. It is like a tv commercial. Repeating over and over again that there was fraud. Repeating over and over again that they have evidence, but never provide it. Just opinions. Just conspiracy theories. Just hypotheticals. No legal merit that would stand up in courts of law.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117896159#Comment_117896159

He was claiming voting fraud long before that.

He accused Ted Cruz of voters fraud when Cruz won a GOP Primary (Iowa was it?).

For decades before that, he was always banging on about various TV awards (Emmys etc.) claiming that he should have been winning all of them for "The Apprentice" but that the fix was in.

It's a core component of his narcissism - He is incapable of processing an idea that someone else is better/more deserving than him , so when he loses something , it's not because his opponent was better , more popular or whatever because that's impossible , Donald Trump is the greatest at everything so if he lost is can only be because he was cheated out of it by some nefarious actors trying to take away that which was rightfully his.

You are not wrong sadly , the damage done to the American democratic process by that sad pathetic self-involved loser is almost immeasurable.

If might take decades if it's even possible at all to restore basic norms to how people view the Electoral process.

Igotadose

Amazing. Yelled at Pence that #IMPOTUS "Wouldn't be his friend anymore" if he certified the election results (a pro-forma event for the last 200+ years): https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/15/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-friend/index.html