What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120462019#Comment_120462019

As I said, a loser who just retired calling out a loser who should

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120462287#Comment_120462287

Also If Trump hadn't gone down the childish route of slagging him off it could have been Trump/DeSantis ticket.

Well now Trump doing things that are unforced errors are why we are here.

Had he never had a conversation with his conspirators to stiff payment of Stormy Daniels after the election, Bragg would almost surely have no case.

But Trump can't help but put his foot in his mouth constantly, whether its slagging off marginally adequate GOP candidates or not following through on his hush money payments. Bragg has evidence, according to SOF, that payments weren't simply related to protecting his family from finding out. Bragg has evidence it was about defrauding voters, which is illegal (Bragg hasn't specified what the underlying crime is the false business records covered but that's at least one of them right there).

This penchant for producing unforced errors constantly is all the more reason Trump will never get 70 million votes again. But I love watching Republicans and their handmaidens trying to figure that out without hurting any MAGA feelings.

As for Ron his personal vendetta with his Wedding Venue is going to ruin his career.

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120462019#Comment_120462019

That would be the same Jorge Mastival who like Trump is also facing into criminal charges, assault and battery in his case. The UFCs biggest star is a sportman who has faced more than one allegation of rape from women on this very island as well as beating the sh1t out of one of them and throwing another overboard his yacht. Like Trump he is also big fan of Putin, a man who uses rape as a tool of war. And at the UFC event Trump was sitting beside convicted rapist Mike Tyson but thats fine because he's not a Mexican rapist, American rapists are just dandy by Trump, who Trump himself soon begins a defamation trial over his own rape of Jean Carroll.

You kind of begin to see a pattern here, Trump is perfectly happy hanging with criminals, they're his people and he is one of them.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120462287#Comment_120462287

DeSantis would be a terrible nominee. He has gone all in on core culture war topics, which most voters either disagree with him or don't care about. He also shrivels any time he is put under any kind of scrutiny - why nearly every press appearance, even doing his job as governor, is done in front of a loyal cheering audience.

Overall, he is smarter than Trump but doesn't have a smidgen of Trump's charisma or media savviness. Trump would mop the floor with him with or without his legal issues

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120461677#Comment_120461677

Similar "policy" held by the national party here, who have verified ties to different neo nazi groups and fools like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon who have called for volience against Irish people despite his mother being Irish

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120462455#Comment_120462455

He also appears to be an unprincipled flip-flopper who believes in little beyond his own advancement

https://www.vox.com/politics/23622719/ron-desantis-2024-presidential-opportunism

Such candidates can go from hero to zero very quickly as they don't really have a secure national base...

Overheal

Republicans caught by NYT report coordinating to use powers of congress to interfere with Trump’s legal cases on behalf of Trump’s legal defense team.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/gross-abuse-of-power-dan-goldman-blasts-house-gop-leaders-jordan-and-mccarthy-for-coordinating-with-trumps-legal-team/

duploelabs

Perfectly normal, nothing to see here from the 'billionaire'

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/10/us/politics/trump-campaign-fec-filing.html

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120458170#Comment_120458170

The biggest reason he's getting in trouble is that he's a cheap con-man.

Instead of paying her off out of his own pocket and "keeping Schtum" as it were, he tried to get his company to pay for it and hide it as a variety of fake business expenses.

A "Billionaire" that couldn't afford to pay $130k out of his own pocket for something he (allegedly) did...

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464026#Comment_120464026

Ive been wondering about the method of payment and if Cohen was buying himself an insurance policy to trade with in the event of getting caught which has has been. Last weeks Statement of Facts said that initially Trump wanted to pay the $130k in cash but Cohen said no I'll set up a shell company and they would route the money through that which then leaves the paper trail.

Its bizarre that he would knowingly run a criminal enterprise and then do it in such a way to leave a paper trail. Is Cohen that stupid or was he just making sure that if they ever got caught that there was a direct paper trail straight to Trump (who personally signed the cheques to Cohen for his 'retainer').

Because if this was all done in cash you just know Trump would have denied any knowledge of it. Trump would have thrown Cohen under the bus and Cohen would have spent way longer in prison than the 18 months he did if he had nothing to trade with. Maybe Cohen thought of that and said fcuk it if Im going down for this Im making sure he is too. Its either that or Cohen isnt the brightest which Im leaning towards. Like it wouldnt have been difficult to lay their hands on $130k cash but it was Cohens idea to do the shell company route which ultimately got them both caught.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464266#Comment_120464266

All those things likely played a part , but even if they had "paid in cash", you just know that the cash would have come from the Company and not from Trumps personal accounts , because like everything else he considers it all to be "his" and has no understanding of the concept of separation of accounts and funds etc.

He has always used his businesses (and charities) as personal ATMs so I think he would have fallen foul of business accounting laws at the very least.

However , given Cohens habit of recording everything I suspect that at the very least he had enough street smarts to always have some kind of proof of all the things that Trump was getting him to do if only to make sure that he actually got paid for them .

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464026#Comment_120464026

Even at 40% tax rate, I find it hilarious that a 'billionaire' is facing these charges and possible time because he didn't want to spend €52 grand in tax. Fitting for trump

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464309#Comment_120464309

Exactly - For an actual Billionaire , 130k would be like an average person having to spend maybe $100 or the like out of pocket on something.

That he tried to fiddle the books to get the company to pay it just tells you everything you need to know about his mentality and his actual wealth and real-time access to cash.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464309#Comment_120464309

LOL. Trump paying tax. You're funny.

Muahahaha

no AFAIK they took care of tax, Cohen was paid way more than $130k, iirc it was 12 payments of $35k each. Some of that might have been the other payments to the Playboy model Karen Douglas but in the statement of facts the overpayment to Cohen is discussed as allowing him to net $130k for the Stormy Daniels pay off after he had paid his income taxes on a larger amount.

Maybe Cohen was ensuring a paper trail to snare Trump if any of this came to light. Because youd think Trump could have gotten $150k cash pretty quickly when running a hotel in NY. He could have sent a Trump Tower gofer down to Macys, buy Cohen a watch worth $150k as a bonus then Cohen converts his soon to be lost watch to $130k cash and pays Stormy. When they first discussed the scheme Trump wanted to pay her cash, it was Cohen who led Trump into the plan of setting up a shell company which ultimately got them caught. Without that paper trail Cohen was probably looking at almost 10 years in prison rather than the less than two he served. Trump would have thrown him right under the bus, maybe after years as working as Trumps fixer and shafting people on Trumps behalf he knew all too well that he was likely next.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464384#Comment_120464384

Billionaires in general pay very little tax, as a percentage of income anyway.

8.2% according to the White House but alot are paying a fraction of that.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/billionaires-income-taxes-are-a-tiny-fraction-of-their-wealth-white-house-says-heres-the-average-rate-they-pay-11632421836

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464432#Comment_120464432

Wasn't there a story of trump trying to pay someone with one of a pair of boxing gloves?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-tech-firm-boxing-glove-walmart-bag-polls-trump-2019-1%3famp

Cheap ******!

archermoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464026#Comment_120464026

Exactly this. And in addition to being a cheap con-man he also really thinks that he is a genius, but in reality is at best a bit dim witted. The problem is that he has spent his entire life surrounded by yes men telling him how smart he is and how brilliant everything he dribbles out of his mouth is, so he thinks that the reason no one else thought of his stupid ideas is that they aren't smart enough. Hence brilliant ideas like injecting bleach to kill Covid. I have no doubt that he really thought that no one else was smart enough to think of that.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464544#Comment_120464544

Tsk tsk!

Just because *you* never had the brilliant idea of nuking a hurricane!

/s

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120462287#Comment_120462287

Biden's own numbers are pretty underwhelming and yeah anyone half competent has a chance against him , but the issue is the GOP voters really like Trump. They have been given numerous examples over the last few election cycles how toxic MAGA is to the swing states , but so much of MAGA is about owing the libs and following a conman in Trump rather than focusing on winning elections. The Dem's want Trump to win the GOP nomination, not their fault the GOP base are so in love with a loser like Trump though.

Burty330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464544#Comment_120464544

If Trump is dim witted then it makes the democrats who have been trying and failing for 7 to impeach and convict him even more dim witted.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120460841#Comment_120460841

He won Florida by more than Newsom won California, that's an astonishing achievement tbf.

Have a look at how he flipped Miami Dade for example, you may not like him , but he clearly has something about him electorally.

Whether he survives a primary with Trump is another story unlikely.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120462287#Comment_120462287

"No this is what Democrats are doing as they know Biden won't beat Ron DeSantis if he is the wins the nomination."

Democrats aren't bringing these cases.

On what basis do you presume to know that Biden would not beat DeSantis. Have you seen national polling to support that?

"They really want Trump to run and these doomed cases in New York will help him win the nomination."

What cases are doomed?

"It's a shame really as DeSantis would be a great Nominee and President."

DeSantis is not popular outside of Florida. What makes you think he would be a good president?

"Also If Trump hadn't gone down the childish route of slagging him off it could have been Trump/DeSantis ticket."

Ah here, are you expecting, after all these years, that Trump would be a team player and not have his ego rocked by someone else getting the limelight? Oh my sweet summer child...

BTW - I asked you months ago, what made you switch from Trump to DeSantis? What event in particular?

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464656#Comment_120464656

How are the democrats at fault, or "dim witted", because the Republicans failed to vote to convict?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464662#Comment_120464662

Outside of Florida , DeSantis doesn't have a personal "base" beyond the standard issue GOP voter.

He might be a bit more palatable to Independents in Swing States , but if he beats Trump then he loses the MAGA voters who will either sit out the election or put Trump as a write-in. Either way , he loses.

The GOP's problem is that they are all terrified of the Trump base which is meaningful in the Primaries , but really not that important on the National stage.

None of them will really attack Trump during the Primaries for fear of alienating that 25/30% of the GOP vote that is hard-core MAGA whereas Trump will throw everything possible in their direction knowing that they really can't return fire.

If Trump is still in the race and I see no reason why he won't be then he wins the GOP nomination because the GOP are cowards, but after that there's really nothing that Trump can or will do to grow his support among Independents who are the key to victory in all the swing States.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464699#Comment_120464699

Tried for 7 to impeach? WTF? 7 what? TFG polluted the WH for only 4 years and was impeached, but not convicted by the Senate, twice. So, the impeachments were successful.

Sad thing is, the US really needs a working impeachment process for senior government officials (here's looking at you, Clarence "Friend of a Nazi memorabilia collector" Thomas), and doesn't have one, and amending the Constitution is massively unlikely.

archermoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464656#Comment_120464656

How do you figure that shows he is smarter than them? They successfully impeached him. Twice. He wasn't convicted either time, but the second impeachment more members of his own party voted to convict than any President or former President in history. And a large number of members of his own party were willing to admit that he was morally responsible for the 6 January insurrection, even though for purely partisan reasons they were unwilling to vote to convict. If today's GOP were in place when Nixon was President he would never have resigned. The only reason he did resign is because the Senate Republicans came to him and let him know that the House was going to impeach him, and that when it went to the Senate for trial they would vote to convict. So he resigned before he could be impeached. The only reason he wasn't convicted in either impeachment trial was the unwillingness of Republicans to vote to convict, regardless of the evidence. And even so on the second trial 7 of them did vote to convict.

As far as convictions go, the wheels of justice in the US turn slowly. Especially when the rich and/or powerful are involved. During his time as President he was basically immune to prosecution, so the investigations into his crimes had to wait until he left office. Mueller's report from his investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 election made it very clear that the only reason that charges weren't filed against Trump at the time was because the DoJ has a policy against indicting a sitting President. However Trump has been indicted on 34 felony counts so far. I expect that total will continue going up.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464656#Comment_120464656

Yeah shame it’s republicans in that grand jury in Georgia

Also Republican Senators really don’t want to see him run again. They don’t want to have to attach their careers to an impeachment 4 5 and 6 even though we already know before the offense has even occurred they would vote to acquit out of partisan reasons.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/doubt-if-he-will-take-that-advice-republican-senators-reportedly-want-trump-far-far-away-from-2024-races/

Couple that with reports that folks like Ted Cruz are trying to workshop how to sound less extreme far right. One of the easiest ways to do that is for Trump to be out and admit yeah I never cared for the guy he insulted my wife etc. 🤣

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120464822#Comment_120464822

And those 34 Felony counts are for a case where he was already considered an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the previous court proceedings that got Cohen a few years in jail.

Whilst it is the "weakest" of the deluge of cases he has pending it doesn't fora second mean that it shouldn't be prosecuted.

rossie1977

25%, I guess all those CTs regarding the Dems wanting to make Trump more popular look really silly now..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N4ha2_11WAM