What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

everlast75

This just in....

https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1691288762670608384?s=20

Overheal

The indictments are just making the leftover base more galvanized, as you would expect, they're a bit delusional. It sounds like we will see a Red Wave November if you know what I mean. 2/3rds of the country according to poll say they would never vote for Trump or support him in 2024, compared to 2/3rd of Republicans who now say they do support him.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/whopping-64-of-americans-say-they-definitely-or-probably-would-not-support-trump-for-president-in-2024-ap-poll/

The definition of insanity at this point is Red Wave November.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987657#Comment_120987657

And to add...

When asked about Trump’s most recent federal indictment, 53% of Americans said they “approve of the Justice Department indicting Trump in the federal case that he worked to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election."

Democrats are blessed that the Republicans are such a shambles.

Any Republican candidate with a chance of winning a presidential election would have to be anti-Trump but unfortunately for such a person, they wouldn't make it out of the primary.

Look at the top Republican candidates - all Trumpanzees; Ramaswamy, Scott, Elder, Haley.

Elder is trying to play the cute hoor. One interview Trump is unelectable, the next interview the Trump indictments are unfair and he's open to being his running mate.

Even DeSantis is coddling Trump's balls, despite Trump's utter contempt for him.

If Youngkin sits 2024 out, he has a great chance in 2028. Presumably November elections in Virginia will be his primary concern and jumping into the race before then would be a disaster and jumping in afterwards gives him f*ck all time to campaign before Iowa.

All in all, Trump is the best Democrat in D.C.

Kalyke

March 2024 for Georgia trial.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/fulton-county-prosecutors-propose-march-2024-trial-date-trump-georgia-case-2023-08-16/

salmocab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987914#Comment_120987914

It’s amazing the 3rd of March is the day that hunter bidens J walking case is due to come up.

Water John

Is that Jake Smith in Jan and Fani Willis in March 2024?

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120987981#Comment_120987981

https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1691900861818065406?s=20

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everlast75

My god, the incompetence!

https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1691817935889629607?s=20

Overheal

So since he has 10 days to appear (wow, red carpet for a RICO case) when are we going to start hearing MAGA say "just comply" again?

Overheal

Seeing a lottt of Koch ads today aka. Americans for Prosperity, in South Carolina, telling viewers hey sure yeah some of the things he got done were good but we have to move on he's a dead weight loser, variations of these:

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/12/koch-network-ads-target-trump-biden.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtIv-a9X264

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cWWRHfYx4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mgtmrUYpQY

For Forks Sake

Looking at the lists of rank-incompetent supposedly qualified lawyers caught up in this has led me to conclude that Americans get their Bar certificates free inside a packet of crisps or something

Overheal

The names of the Grand Jurors are in Trump's indictment (a matter of state law) so his supporters are going out and doxxing them.

https://www.mediaite.com/crime/trump-supporters-are-doxxing-georgia-grand-jurors-online-msnbc/

Overheal

This makes a lot of sense, and you could track the same or similar pathology for Lindsay Graham too, who at home is labeled a RINO, nobody really likes him, they just use him as a senatorial tool. Mar a Lago is a safe space for those political outcasts - recently that's included Kari Lake.

Jansing: Can you pinpoint a time when America’s mayor, when the guy who prosecuted RICO cases changed? And was it about Donald Trump?

Kirtzman: Well, there are two pivots in Rudy Giuliani’s life. One was 9/11, when he became more popular than the Pope, according to a poll at that time. And then the 2008 presidential race when he entered as a front runner and ended it in humiliation with just one delegate. And it was at that moment in 2008 when things kind of crashed around him, when he lost his 9/11 halo, was left in kind of the political wilderness. There was Donald Trump. And Donald Trump literally took him in to Mar-a-Lago right after his failure in 2008 and kind of shielded Giuliani when he was, kind of fell into a depression that I write about in my book. But also the two of them needed each other by 2016. Trump needed Giuliani because he didn’t have any political friends, and Giuliani needed Trump because no one was knocking at Giuliani’s door anymore to to endorse them. They each had a lot of reason to bond together. And they like each other. They like each other a lot. They respect each other.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/giuliani-biographer-points-to-humiliation-in-2008-to-explain-why-rudy-is-so-loyal-to-trump-hed-go-to-jail-for-him/

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988208#Comment_120988208

Trump is facing four major criminal indictments, and his popularity with the Republican base in general his ticked upwards. A few poxy targeted ads is going to do sweet FA, let's be honest.

Sometimes there needs to be a major overhaul in thinking and approach. Society reaches these points from time to time. To give an example, WW1 has been called a 20th century war fought with 19th century tactics, and it bred a necessity to rethink approaches to war. By the same token, Trump is a 21st century monster that is getting the 20th century treatment. It's not going to work. These attacks pass through him like bullets through the T-1000. MAGA is not a reasonable bunch of people. It is a death cult. To put this very bluntly, in 7 years, nobody's figured out a way to peel voters away from him and have him wither into obscurity and that bodes fairly ill imo.

Water John

They've peeled away enough for him to be a GOP liability, that they now can't shake off. Remember he's lost every time since 2016.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988209#Comment_120988209

What a silly comment.

In the US its a bag of chips!

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988243#Comment_120988243

Absolutely disgraceful action by his supporters, and a glaring deficiency in Georgia state law IMO.

Serving on a jury, grand or any other form of judicial panel should be afforded anonymity and especially in this instance, protection.

Some may take the notion that as the grand jury voted to indict, that they are the accuser and that everyone has the right to face their accuser in court.

When the truth is? That the Grand Jury heard the evidence the State presented, agreed that there was a case to answer and as such voted to indict. It is the state, it is Georgia that is prosecuting Trump, not those members of the grand jury who are doing their Civic duty

People serving on juries are IMO one of the tenets of any functioning democracy's social contract. It is a cornerstone of justice that one is entitled to judgement via a jury of one's peers. The chilling effect that doxxing and threats of violence and more will have on the jury pool in Fulton Co will be interesting to see play out.

It may be part of a strategy at some level by Trumpist's to help ensure that the case is kicked to Federal court by forcing a need for a larger jury pool.

Or, and far more likely. It is Trumpist's being what they usually are, assholes!

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988292#Comment_120988292

He gained about ten million voters in 2020. 74 million people looked at Trump and said, "Yes, this man has my vote."

Now, this is not to deny that his toxicity was such that he helped Biden get 84 million votes in response to that, but my previous post was not regarding Trump's potential to become president (although if he is nominee, this must be considered a possibility) again so much as it was regarding Trump remaining an unshakable political force that will dominate the Republican party for as long as he draws breath and probably for quite some time after that.

No-one in that party has figured out an effective way of neutralising him. His power in the party is so overwhelming that anyone who moves against him faces humiliation or ousting to the fringes.

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988178#Comment_120988178

But HuNtErS LaPtOp

But HuR EmAiLs.

LOcK hUr Up.

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988302#Comment_120988302

trump cultists acting like the terrorists they are? Say it ain't so. People are even saying that they should drop charges against him even if they are true. The very definition of a terrorist. These are not patriots and not only failed insurrectionists. These are terrorists. Enemies of America.

Overheal

1 week to go before the first big debate and Trump is probably not gonna show up, too busy defending himself with a Mike Pillow Guy level presentation on this monday about how the election was rigged TM followed by submitting to or evading arrest by next friday. When will he have time to squeeze in debate prep

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/pro-desantis-pac-taunts-trump-calls-him-too-weak-to-debate/

https://www.newsweek.com/chris-christie-taunts-coward-donald-trump-gop-debate-1820040

He's not gonna show, trump's character sheet is Bully, and bullies don't show up to fights they know they will get their ass handed to them in, gosh imagine all the zingers on wednesday night would just be "Donald, don't you have to turn yourself into jail tomorrow?"

Overheal

MSNBC reveals scoop video of Roger Stone as early as November 5th (2 days after the election but 2 days before it was called by the media for Biden) plotting to overturn the election with fake electors

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/msnbc-airs-exclusive-and-incriminating-video-of-roger-stone-plotting-to-overturn-the-2020-election/

everlast75

https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1691967238306451486?s=20

Deplorables

everlast75

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1691895025959907563?s=20

Trump supporter - "rape is bad!"

Trump supporters when trump rapes someone - "well... Technically..."

Fathom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120949609#Comment_120949609

Former Republican President Richard Nixon resigned and was immediately pardoned by his successor Republican Gerald Ford for all federal crimes he may have committed. Note that Nixon had not been indicted, charged, tried, convicted, or sentenced for alleged Watergate crimes.

The constitutional question of a acting president pardoning himself is at issue. But a simple reading of the US Constitution suggests that it may be possible. And whether an acting president could secretly “pocket” pardon himself for any possible federal crimes that may have occurred from birth to the day he leaves office, and only disclosing it officially to avoid alleged criminal consequences may be a US Supreme Court decision.

There had been a lot of news media talk about the possibility of Trump pardoning himself secretly (pocket pardon) before he left office on 20 January 2021.

So my anecdotal guess is that he did this, and is just waiting to spring it on Americans just before the November 2024 general elections, if needed.

Of course he cannot pardon himself for any alleged crimes at the state level (e.g., Georgia or NY). That may be why the named co-defendants in Georgia are trying to get this state case elevated to the federal level?

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988909#Comment_120988909

Only underlining the reality that Trumpism isn't a political ideology - it's a cult. A cult of personality where somehow Donald J Trump has become some vulgar pinnacle for some Americans to latch onto. I suppose if I were white, completely uneducated and without any prospects whatsoever, Trump's brash showman energy might appeal.

That tweet also delights in reminding that however batshít Trump's presence on the candidates' sheet is - watching DeSantis crash and burn has been a wonderful piece of schadenfreude. A craven bully, but one without charisma and so obsessed with "woke" (read, open racism, revisionism and homophobia) that he makes Trump look open minded. Delighted his shallow brand of misanthropy and historical denial is getting dumped.

Fathom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988921#Comment_120988921

Aside from the millions of MAGA Trump cult personality voters, there anecdotally appears to be a large segment of both the Republican and Democrat Party voters that have family generational histories of always pushing the R or D button for all one sided partisan positions. Reminds me of American football team fans: My team no matter what. Always my team.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988811#Comment_120988811

While out on bail in the Mueller probe apparently...

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988906#Comment_120988906

Indeed

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66529579

This just made me ponder any attempt to "both-sides" the MAGA folk with other aspects of American politics. I don't seem to remember Clinton supporters sending death threats to any involved with investigating her. (Or in that Hunter Biden thing going on) Or expanding that death threat to include a large swaith of the other side if their canditate didn't win the election (which this nut-bag apparently also did)

Can the "I don't like Trump, but..." people in this thread honestly defend MAGA when it eggs on extreemists, almost by design. Threatening violence or death onto your political opponents for not voting for your guy has a name, and despite one poster's rubbishing of this notion...that name is: Fascism.