What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Overheal

More fake crowd shenanigans

PropJoe10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfVQcMM1fK4

John Kelly finally going to town on Trump. Not that it will make any difference.

LambshankRedemption

33% are democratic voters, no chance of voting for a republican. 33% are Republican voters and most will vote for Donald, God knows why, but any way. The other 33% are undecidededs. Surely, surely, there is enough mud sticking to Donald for the undecideds to go "No way am I voting for him!".

Somehow, he survived "Grab em by the pussy", Mostly because Hilary was unlikeable and ran a terrible campaign, and there might have been some Russian interference.

He can't really survive all of this can he?!? Can he?

Could he?

silliussoddius

Never underestimate some people’s mental gymnastics abilities.

everlast75

He posted this after the hearing!

Igotadose

The big Lebowski and TFG?

silliussoddius

Our lord and saviour, and Jesus.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121187409#Comment_121187409

And, as always, Jesus portrayed as a white guy (and slightly chiselled?), as opposed to the brown, Middle Eastern man he undoubtedly was. It's never that hard to figure why American Christians Conservatives can be so uncharitable & racist - given their own religion is foundationally racist. The iconography washes the ethnicity of its own Messiah.

VinLieger

So one of his Lawers Alina Habba showed up with a high end gaming laptop that has quite a bit of RGB lighting on its case and keyboard and it was flashing through colour changes throughout the day, ironically this means it was continuously cycling through a rainbow sequence.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121187469#Comment_121187469

Only the best people. That lawyer might've been the one to forget to ask for a Jury trial, too.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121187409#Comment_121187409

I can't believe Jesus forgot to tick the box saying Trump wanted a jury trial....

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121187431#Comment_121187431

I surprised he's not armed

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121187493#Comment_121187493

She’s fighting for her life

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/alina-habba-denies-trumps-failure-to-get-jury-was-her-fault-thats-not-how-this-works/

Agent Coulson

Why is Fabio in court beside Mr Trump?

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121187498#Comment_121187498

Yet another one whose legal experience involved representing parking lot owners, and has a degree from a bottom 25% law firm. But, she lived in Bedminster. A bottom 25% law firm seems to be the kind TFG likes - Michael Cohen went to Cooley, often regarded as the worst law school in the US, and that's saying a lot. Most recent class had a less than 80% bar passage rate, that's dregs.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121187431#Comment_121187431

It's not just Americans. I've a younger family member who once said that if Black Americans didn't like how the Police treated them, they should go back to Africa. A large portion of my family adores Trump. They're too tightfisted to give him any money but plenty of Christians love him outside the US IME.

Personally, I feel like I've been vaccinated against Christianity given how quickly they debased themselves for him.

TinyMuffin

If he’s sitting that close to trump, I can see him taking him to court for sexual assault soon enough.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121187650#Comment_121187650

Trump: Nobody in history has been more unfairly prosecuted than me!

Jesus trying to pick up a piece of chewing gum and accidentally dropping it through a hole in his hand: Yeah.... sure....

relax carry on

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121187498#Comment_121187498

Is the defence that the banks were repaid the loans which were obtained by massively overstating the asset values thereby somehow making the overvaluation ok? Seriously?

Igotadose

When you Rob a bank and pay it all back in installments, you've still broken the law

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121188357#Comment_121188357

Basically yes - They are saying "It doesn't matter that we lied on the paperwork , because we paid off the loans anyway" which of course is bollocks.

They are also trying to suggest that because they had a sort of "Caveat Emptor" disclaimer on their loan paperwork they are protected from any Fraud claims.

If a normal person forged an income declaration to get a bigger mortgage , it wouldn't matter if they were able to make the payments , they would still be guilty of Fraud.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121188357#Comment_121188357

A combination of that plus "They should have known I was lying anyway so really it's their fault for believing me."

Agent Coulson

You have to admire his defence "Buyer Beware" clause everything in our contracts is a lie it your own fault for us conning you.

Leroy42

Isn't the issue that he undervalued the assets on his tax returns and used higher values for the bank loans?

So NY state is alleging he paid too little taxes based on his own valuation of his assets?

Burty330

lol @ thinking the banks just took his word for it before approving loans wort millions of Dollars. The banks own appraisers valued the properties and never had any complaints. Trump’s valuations never defrauded anybody. There hasn't been a single entity that filed suit claiming they were damaged by the valuations.

You can't have a defraud case if no one claimed to be defrauded. Nobody give a rats ass whether these charges are wrong or right. Anyone with eyes and common sense can see what’s happening after the judge made , according to real estate experts , the decisional claim that maga lago was worth $18m. The takeaway here is Corrupt political persecution and election interference is fine and dandy if its being perpetrated against other side.

“Eighteen million dollars? That’s totally stupid. That’s ridiculous. You could sell it for $250 million tomorrow,” Jeff Greene, a Palm Beach billionaire and real estate developer who lives nearby and was once a Mar-a-Lago Club member, told The Messenger. Greene ran for Senate in 2010 and governor in 2018 when he attacked Trump in a major ad buy.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121188649#Comment_121188649

The Judge didn't make the claim that Mar-a-Lago was valued at 18m, a property valuer hired by Trump valued it as between 18m-28m, and Trump used that valuation in order to calculate taxes because it meant paying less tax.

That's the crux of the case, it's an important detail to get right.

Leroy42

Again, he used different valuations - lower - to reduce his tax payable. That is the core of the fraud.

But, it is also illegal to knowingly lie on bank documents. Yes, the banks certainly take some blame for failing to adequately audit the valuations, but that doesn't absolve Trump of his legal responsibility.

If you value your house at 100x to get some loans, but then state your property is only worth 1x for property tax purposes that is fraud.

This is, roughly, what Trump has done.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121188649#Comment_121188649

The $18M valuation for Mar-a-Lago came from Trumps own accountants , not anybody else!!

The issue with Mar-a-Lago is down to whether or not you can sell it as a "residence".

The terms under which Trump bought that place was that it was NOT a Residence and no one could live there permanently.

It's a Members club, not a home.

Valued as a members club and accounting for all the other limitations placed on it in terms of future development etc. the Palm Beach County Tax assessor valued it in the $18M to $26M range and Trumps people pushed to get the $18M valuation for Property tax purposes.

However , Trump now wants to value it as a home and ignore all the other covenants and stipulations that exist for the place.

IF it was a house and land with no limitations in terms of development etc. then yes , it probably is worth ~$250M based on the prices paid for other places in the area.

But it isn't.

The Mar-A-Lago property is encumbered with a “trust for historical preservation” in a 2002 deed where Trump agreed “to forever extinguish his right to develop or use the Property for any purpose other than club use.”

The 2002 Deed also specifically "limits changes to the Property including, without limitation, the division or subdivision of the Property for any purpose, including use as single family homes, the interior renovation of the mansion, which may be necessary and desirable for the sale of the Property as a single family residential estate, the construction of new buildings and the obstruction of open vistas." 

So - If you bought it , you wouldn't be able to live in it , you wouldn't be able to make any major changes to the buildings and you couldn't build any more homes on the property, hence its real-world valuation of ~$25M.

Trump is a liar and a bullshitter.

And he's a Rapist.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121188679#Comment_121188679

That they don’t even know the basics says it all.

eightieschewbaccy

Slightly amusing to watch the usual types blow in, make claim and then run away.