What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

04-03-2021 3:41pm

biko wrote: »

Why Cow’s Milk Is the Perfect Drink for Supremacists
https://www.peta.org/blog/cows-milk-perfect-drink-supremacists/

The Troubling Link Between Milk And Racism
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/milk-white-supremacy-racism_n_5bffad35e4b0864f4f6a3e28

and more if you google

The second relates to both past and present behaviour of white supremacists, it doesn't claim that we shouldn't be drinking milk or anything. Are you disputing anything it says?

And PETA are a pretty extreme group that have an agenda. They've also previously claimed that milk causes autism. They've implicated games like Mario in animal cruelty too. They hold ridiculous views, that's the reality plus they're often anti science. And they're pretty regularly the laughing stock of publications that you view as liberal. Similar examples of the below article on huff post etc.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/the-bad-science-behind-petas-claim-that-milk-might-cause-autism/371751/

rossie1977 · 04-03-2021 3:45pm

Looks like Trump will be the Republican candidate in 2024. That should be fun.

everlast75 wrote: »

I'm not naive. I know they are out to make money.

I was pi$$ed with them for giving 45 so much free airtime. The least they could do is give Biden a chance to explain his policies.

Something something left wing network lol

biko · 04-03-2021 3:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The second relates to both past and present behaviour of white supremacists, it doesn't claim that we shouldn't be drinking milk or anything. Are you disputing anything it says?

I'm disputing the narrative that drinking, selling or advertising milk is in any way racist.

04-03-2021 3:55pm

biko wrote: »

I'm disputing the narrative that drinking, selling or advertising milk is in any way racist.

Nah you're trying to find a scandal over a researcher raising valid points. His health related points are reasonably made and not dissimilar to how corn syrup and poverty are related. Anyway, how does this relate to Donald Trump? It just seems to be you thinking that you've caught people out or something...

Tell me how · 04-03-2021 4:03pm

biko wrote: »

I'm disputing the narrative that drinking, selling or advertising milk is in any way racist.

Yes and when your first attempts at saying that this was the case was debunked, you contributed to this topic with a link from the Daily Wire. You just want to suggest that people are saying so irrespective of whether they are or not.

I'm not bothered investigating further but I suspect they may have concocted the 'they are claiming milk is racist' angle so as to give ammo to some who would then ultimately take it up as another claim that 'the liberals are trying to ban milk'.

~Rebel~ · 04-03-2021 4:25pm

biko wrote: »

I'm disputing the narrative that drinking, selling or advertising milk is in any way racist.

Literally no-one is genuinely peddling that narrative.

It's the equivilent of calling Hawaiian shirts right-wing because of the Boogaloo Boys adoption of them as 'uniforms'. Or calling the Village People republicans because every Trump rally played YMCA.

Adoption of a thing by a group does not inherently mean that thing is now supportive of that group.

No-one really thinks Hawaiian shirts are right wing, no-one thinks The Village People are staunch republicans, and no-one thinks milk is racist.

If you were willing to have a serious conversation on it, plenty of interesting talking points have already been raised, particularly imo the government endorsement conversation. But it doesn't seem like you are.

nolivesmatter · 04-03-2021 4:29pm

~Rebel~ wrote: »

...What people are pointing out is that a government unilaterally supporting and endorsing a product that is good for one race (only around 5% of white northern european descendants are lactose intolerant - the only race that is less than 50% intolerant), but very actively bad for other races (70+ % of asians are lactose intolerant, with very high intolerance amongst Black, indigenous, and latin populations too) is questionable.

...

There may be a point there. But those articles attempt to intertwine that with white supremacy which really isn't helpful to the conversation.

Tell me how · 04-03-2021 4:29pm

What time is Trump being inaugurated at today?

04-03-2021 4:37pm

Tell me how wrote: »

What time is Trump being inaugurated at today?

25 hundred hours...

everlast75 · 04-03-2021 4:37pm

Tell me how wrote: »

What time is Trump being inaugurated at today?

Matters are delayed. JFK is stuck in traffic

Carfacemandog · 04-03-2021 4:43pm

biko wrote: »

I agree with you, it's stupid. Of course it's not the product itself, that's impossible (is that what you thought I meant lol). It's the stuff surrounding milk that makes it so racist.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/college-student-explains-why-milk-racist-elliott-hamilton

"Samantha Diaz, a staff writer for California State University-Long Beach’s student newspaper The Daily 49er..."

:pac:

duploelabs · 04-03-2021 4:59pm

Is this some kind of dairy fillabuster going on here?

Beasty · 04-03-2021 4:59pm

OK, can we stop the dairy chit-chat and get back to the matter at hand (which is detailed in the thread title if anyone is wondering)

extra gravy · 05-03-2021 8:27am

https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1367632723695788036?s=19

Another pathetic statement from that loser.

Field east · 05-03-2021 9:16am

Tell me how wrote: »

I don't know there are 2 many variables to consider right now.

What I do know is that if we runs, and wins, that is no indication as to his suitability for the office. It will evidence of craven behaviour by Republicans at every level from party leadership, state officials and individual members to forgive someone for the role they played in an attempted insurrection and the likely gerrymandering and other activities which they will undertake so as to try to ensure that he wins.

Trumpism is temporary, what is it only selfishness and narcissism. There's no particular belief or ideology. 'America First' was and is only a buzzword in his mind which he can easily chant pretending it means something. He had his time in office and we've see he had nothing in terms of policy which would indicate he was focused on the needs of all Americans.

Does it not come down to the following and considering that - as per some boardies - there was only 100,000 votes in it to have flipped the last election in DTs favour in relation to a few key states :- DT got 75m votes on Nov 6th last year. Since then we have seen a side of DT that we were not aware/ not very clear on and his general ‘carry on ‘ / behaviour. Eg The purpose of the rally before the storming of the Capitol, the storming of the Capitol, all the challenges to the election procedure/ outcome that failed , that phonecall to the governer(R) of Georgia to find circa 12,574 votes for him, the behaviour / statements of senior ‘members’ of the Trump team - Rudi et al.

If there was a presidential election in the morning, then what way would the following three following potential voters behave

(1) the 75m that voted for DT. Would any of them be disgusted with his behaviour and abstain, still vote for him or switch to the Dems.

(2) the 85m that voted for Biden. Will they stay with the Dems , switch to DT because they have been enthuased by his recent behaviour or not vote at all?

(3)then , those that did not vote. Would the behaviour by ALL since the election enthuse a % of them to vote and which way would the majority vote.?

Human nature would tell me that Biden would increase his vote in all three categories.

The only indication we have to date re that since Nov 6th is the outcome of the Georgia senate election. That traditional republican state with its republican governer voted in two Dem senators. The mail in/remote voting trend was known by DT and the republicans in general - fraud votes or not. My question is :- why did the Rep party not set up a system - now that it had the experience of the presidential election - to make sure that all the votes were verified as legit or not. All it did in Georgia was cried foul

robinph · 05-03-2021 9:39am

Field east wrote: »

My question is :- why did the Rep party not set up a system - now that it had the experience of the presidential election - to make sure that all the votes were verified as legit or not. All it did in Georgia was cried foul

Because they knew that there wasn't any voting irregularities so didn't want to prove that themselves. Far better to shout about cheating happening than to prove there isn't any cheating and still lose anyway.

Tell me how · 05-03-2021 9:43am

Field east wrote: »

If there was a presidential election in the morning, then what way would the following three following potential voters behave

(1) the 75m that voted for DT. Would any of them be disgusted with his behaviour and abstain, still vote for him or switch to the Dems.

(2) the 85m that voted for Biden. Will they stay with the Dems , switch to DT because they have been enthuased by his recent behaviour or not vote at all?

(3)then , those that did not vote. Would the behaviour by ALL since the election enthuse a % of them to vote and which way would the majority vote.?

Human nature would tell me that Biden would increase his vote in all three categories.

1 - I suspect Biden would pick up some votes, but not a massive number. Trump had been a fiasco in the lead up to the election, and yet so many still voted for him. While some would be appalled at what went on since, I think they would be more likely to not vote at all than to switch to a Democrat but actually, I think if push came to shove and they were told the alternative was another Democrat President, I suspect they would still go with Trump. With gritted teeth maybe, but still.

2 - Big risk here I think is some not voting at all. For 2 reasons. A, a little bit disillusioned with the weakness on the min wage, the stimulus payment etc. B just as a consequence of being lackadasical given that their guy won, and what has gone on since.

3 - Think the numbers who didn't vote last time out but would tomorrow are in the small thousands and would not have voted possibly because of covid concerns or something. Given hoe polarised the election in 2020 was, anyone in any way arsed about voting, did so then. It was the highest turnout in 60 years.

4 - A big factor in the next election will be the success or otherwise of ongoing GOP voter suppression initiatives. Aside from what we've heard in relation to Arizona and the Supreme court this week, I'd say there is all sorts of shenanigans going on and if right was right, the DNC would have appointed Stacy Abrams to a special voter integrity position to correlate activities on a national level to uncover and challenge any dubious suppression activities and to roll out the work she did in Georgia to ensure so many voted in November and again in the Senate run off.

All told, I'd be fearful that if Trump ran against Biden tomorrow, he would win, and would obviously then roll out the narrative of 'socialism has been rejected' 'It really is time for AMERICA first' 'crush the RINO's' and let's get back out of the WHO, the Paris Agreement etc.

It would be genuinely nauseating not to mention depressing and frightening.

everlast75 · 05-03-2021 11:10am

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1367632723695788036?s=19

Another pathetic statement from that loser.

Hard to figure out who I despise more..

Potatoeman · 05-03-2021 2:15pm

Weird thing I notice is that a lot of people in Ireland that think they would be a Democrat in the US, say things you would expect a Republican in the US to say. Taxes too high, social welfare too generous, I don’t want social housing near me etc. Then they scoff at republican voters in the US. There are some major inconsistencies with many people.

05-03-2021 2:26pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

Weird thing I notice is that a lot of people in Ireland that think they would be a Democrat in the US, say things you would expect a Republican in the US to say. Taxes too high, social welfare too generous, I don’t want social housing near me etc. Then they scoff at republican voters in the US. There are some major inconsistencies with many people.

Generally, any taxes and social welfare in the US is far lower than anything here. I don't have a huge issue with either here tbh. On top of that the GOP are more conservative in every respect than any credible Irish parties.

The Dems are even to the right of most people here tbh.

Potatoeman · 05-03-2021 2:40pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Generally, any taxes and social welfare in the US is far lower than anything here. I don't have a huge issue with either here tbh. On top of that the GOP are more conservative in every respect than any credible Irish parties.

The Dems are even to the right of most people here tbh.

There would need to be a hot button issue for people to change how they vote. I think most people vote in their own interest. The election over there is usually decided by the flip flop voters. The voters that voted for Obama then Trump then Biden.

05-03-2021 2:49pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

There would need to be a hot button issue for people to change how they vote. I think most people vote in their own interest. The election over there is usually decided by the flip flop voters. The voters that voted for Obama then Trump then Biden.

And that didn't address anything I said.... The Republicans are more conservative. On a political spectrum, our system and even public opinion on both fiscal and social issues tend to be far to the left of any GOP stance and even the Dems for the most part.

By any metric, their system just tends toward the right.

Potatoeman · 05-03-2021 3:36pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And that didn't address anything I said.... The Republicans are more conservative. On a political spectrum, our system and even public opinion on both fiscal and social issues tend to be far to the left of any GOP stance and even the Dems for the most part.

By any metric, their system just tends toward the right.

The more money you make the greater the chance that you will vote conservative. Young single women vote left but shift more right if they marry. It’s a sign of people voting for what’s in their own interest. The US as a whole is more right than Europe in general.

If you were born over there, how do you think it would change your political outlook?

Igotadose · 05-03-2021 3:41pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

The more money you make the greater the chance that you will vote conservative. Young single women vote left but shift more right if they marry. It’s a sign of people voting for what’s in their own interest. The US as a whole is more right than Europe in general.

If you were born over there, how do you think it would change your political outlook?

Hmm... You think Buffett, Gates, Musk vote GOP?

I think the more $$ you make, it's likely you are better educated with a longer work history in the US, and tend leftwards (for the US, which is far to the right of Ireland.)
And, a lot of the wealthy GOP types either got their money from 'old' industries like natural resources, or inherited it like the current crop of Waltons.

Irish relatives in NYC vs. the folks here, no contest, the US is FAR more conservative. Also, more likely to be observant RCC'ers, which guarantees a US-style right-wing view esp. when it comes to women's health.

I think the typical right-wing GOP lives in a trailer somewhere wondering why the great stock market gains haven't shown up in their paycheck and that there are as many furriners doing jobs around them as ever, but hey, if it's got an (R) after it, I'll vote for it.

05-03-2021 4:02pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

The more money you make the greater the chance that you will vote conservative. Young single women vote left but shift more right if they marry. It’s a sign of people voting for what’s in their own interest. The US as a whole is more right than Europe in general.

If you were born over there, how do you think it would change your political outlook?

You've claimed inconsistencies but so far have admitted that politically we don't remotely align with the GOP. You've also ignored how socially conservative the GOP is. Any of the things Trump did over the years would have resulted in any Irish political leader being ousted btw.

In relation to wealth and conservatism, it applies to some and not others. I'm a pretty high earner and wouldn't tend to be infatuated with complaining about people on welfare. I'm pretty happy for high taxes if it gets reflected in services. It doesn't much of the time in Ireland but equally tend to lose my **** over it or anything. Then socially I'm liberal as are most Irish people.

The more I've tended to earn, the more fortunate I've realised I am, so nope GOP rhetoric doesn't remotely align with my views and frankly never would. They're a party that simply doesn't look beyond themselves and are happy to let groups suffer. They complain about entitlement but think the majority of their politicians were born into salubrious situations so are ironically pretty entitled in every respect.

Potatoeman · 05-03-2021 5:25pm

Igotadose wrote: »

Hmm... You think Buffett, Gates, Musk vote GOP?

I think the more $$ you make, it's likely you are better educated with a longer work history in the US, and tend leftwards (for the US, which is far to the right of Ireland.)
And, a lot of the wealthy GOP types either got their money from 'old' industries like natural resources, or inherited it like the current crop of Waltons.

Irish relatives in NYC vs. the folks here, no contest, the US is FAR more conservative. Also, more likely to be observant RCC'ers, which guarantees a US-style right-wing view esp. when it comes to women's health.

I think the typical right-wing GOP lives in a trailer somewhere wondering why the great stock market gains haven't shown up in their paycheck and that there are as many furriners doing jobs around them as ever, but hey, if it's got an (R) after it, I'll vote for it.

The very wealthy don’t pay taxes. They hire people to help them dodge them. Musk left California for Texas due to business issues he had there. So he moved his business and his home from a Democrat state to a Republican one.

It’s a two party system and there are people frequently voting in their financial interest rather than their social interests, unless there is a push to change something big i.e. abortion. They don’t care if the party is generally religious or not. These are the flip flop voters that decide the election.

American is huge, the idea that half the country are hillbillies living in trailers is a bit ridiculous. I think there are more grounded reasons people vote the way they do.