What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419189#Comment_121419189

Can anyone read lips? I wonder what he said to his detail... Probably wasn't happy.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419371#Comment_121419371

Imagine dedicating your life to public service and now you're expected to sacrifice your life taking a bullet for that.

Burty330

Welcome to reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE_L4BGI9wA&ab_channel=BNNBreaking

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/25/trump-draws-cheers-in-haleys-backyard-at-clemson-south-carolina-football-game-00128599

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419590#Comment_121419590

Hummm.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-greeted-loud-boos-south-carolina-football-game-1846920

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419590#Comment_121419590

Hi! Do you think tax fraud isn't a crime to be prosecuted?

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419590#Comment_121419590

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419811#Comment_121419811

Lemme guess…

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419851#Comment_121419851

I'll keep asking. It's obnoxious that critics of Trump get labelled as deranged while fanboys twist themselves so much they'll decide crimes aren't crimes lest their idol have feet of clay (the best clay, tremendous clay).

everlast75

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1728796880639815718?s=20

Something something R.I.N.O....

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419639#Comment_121419639

They were saying Boooourns.

applehunter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121423686#Comment_121423686

When it's done by proxy judges and governors, its called democracy.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121423700#Comment_121423700

No, it isn't.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121423700#Comment_121423700

Are you actually defending Trump against the many many charges against him?

Some of which he is already been found guilty of, some of which the compelling evidence has lead to grand jury indictments against him?

Corruption?

Rape?

Election interference?

Or is all you have deflection, whataboutery and whatever else is in the bag of tricks? Anything but actually debate the evidence of Trump's many offences and crimes?

You do accept that Trump is a rapist? Or are you going to try to argue it's wrong to call him that and he is a sexual molester instead?

If you do not reply, it can reasonably be assumed you accept Trump is a rapist and you cannot directly defend him.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121423700#Comment_121423700

In spite of years of attempting to find anything untoward that Biden has done that could be claimed to be criminal, the GOP have produced nothing. Meanwhile Trump has been found guilty of plenty of criminal acts plus attempted to overthrow a democratic result.... By your logic, a president should not be investigated or prosecuted for crimes?

francois

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121423802#Comment_121423802

Straight onto the ignore list

Agent Coulson

Still waiting for him to lock up Hillary.

I don't think Biden will be to worried

Leroy42

It's always the hypocrisy that gets me.

Trump shouldn't be investigated because he was POTUS and or is running for POTUS but Biden should be investigated because no POTUS is above the law.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121423753#Comment_121423753

At this point you'd be as well trying to debate with a Flat Earth person. You cannot debate with people who are working off a fundamental assumption that is empirically incorrect. They will alter their perception of reality quite endlessly to make it all work in their own minds. And that's only counting the people who are sincere in their beliefs. There are probably trolls and contrarians floating about in there as well.

Trump himself is not for debating. He's not going to debate the others running for the nomination and I'd be quite surprised if he wants to debate Joe Biden. After all, what is there to really say? Who's on the fence about a man under multiple federal indictments? You either believe that it is a nebulous conspiracy designed to stop him becoming president again, or you don't, and if you don't then I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you'd believe he's not really the right man for the job, and that's putting it extremely mildly.

November 2024 will be a reckoning. I don't think there's going to be any meeting in the middle or even a promise of such.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121423851#Comment_121423851

Think they will be better prepared the second time of asking.

Do people here expect there to be free and fair elections in 2028 (or 2026) if Trump is re elected?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121426713#Comment_121426713

I don't expect to see a free and fair election in the US ever again. Especially once AI technology and deepfaking really get going.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121426752#Comment_121426752

Well,

I don't disagree with you - The impact of deep-fakes etc. in terms of misinformation driving behavioural change in voting is going to be a massive problem going forward.

But if Trump takes power , he will actually physically mess with the vote - He will block access to voting , he will simply ignore results he doesn't like and override them in the courts he stacks with sycophants and a GOP led House and/or Senate will merrily go along with him.

He will ensure that there is no one in the DOJ or elsewhere to stop him by sacking them all and he has already announced that he plans to do exactly that if he takes office. He plans to fire everyone that he considers "not loyal enough" to him immediately on taking office.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427090#Comment_121427090

I think the US system is fairly robust. While Trump appointees are more favourable to him one want to be continually overruled by higher courts. You could even say democratic appointees are less favourable to him

However you have to remember the US federal Supreme court was fairly short with his attempts to overturn the the election. It threw out multiple attempts to prevent votes being counted or for other states to interfere in the activities in another state. At state level judges prevented the imposition of false slate's of electors.

That is not to say that there will not be attempts. However the supreme court justices while very conservative probably hate the guts of Trump. He was a handy weapon to get where they are but there is nothing to suggest that they would support a seizure of power.

The real issue might be if senior Army, Navy and Air force were to side with Trump and attemp a coup d'etat, however there is no indication that such a thing would happen.

The biggest issue is disenfranchisement of certain cohorts of voters ( reducing or stopping postal voting which many right wing activists see as a vote manipulation by democratic supporters) or voting district manipulation especially in some GOP states to continue to hold onto state control.

The present Supreme Court is unwilling to interfere in state administration

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427464#Comment_121427464

Yes and No..

Flip back to November/December of 2020 and remove the various DOJ people who refused to entertain the bullshit from Eastman et al about how they could legally block the results from various States or how they should release statements saying the DOJ had "concerns" about the election etc.

Instead put in place utter doormat sycophants who then allowed all of those lunatic ideas to float and did things like seize voting machines or allowed investigations into results thereby blocking certifications resulting in the decision being pushed to the floor of the House for the "state by state" vote - Where the MAGA GOP House has the majority , handing the result to Trump.

Which was the actual plan all along , but it failed because there enough honest people in the right places to stop it.

The system is only "robust" if it is populated by robust people - Replace them with partisan bad actors and the system collapses quite quickly sadly.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427090#Comment_121427090

There were good articles in the BBC and the Economist recently detailing how the people around him are laying some serious groundwork. Basically, his incompetence foiled his first presidency so the American right are going to make sure that fascism characterises his second.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427464#Comment_121427464

I'm inclined to disagree. I think we got lucky that there's a rump of American conservatism embodied in people like John McCain, Chris Christie and Mitt Romney. The US Supreme Court is a bit like a monarchy in that most Americans have no control over who gets appointed and once they're there, they're there for life.

randd1

For the MAGA crowd, while they'll never be aware of it because they're simply indoctrinated into the cult at this point, there's a very real case of 'be careful what you wish for' in giving Trump the power to run roughshod over the US constitution. Not at first.

But the one thing that all authoritarians have in common, is that they hate the idea of being challenged.

I can see trump and his cronies destroying a fair bit of the US constitution and norms when he gets back in. It'll be a bloodbath in terms of democracy, votes won't matter, it'll be what his cronies in the courts say that matters. And the MAGA crowd will cheer it to the hilt.

And then he'll do, or whoever comes after him will do, something that the MAGA crowd don't really like. And Trumpism will make sure that those complaints are shut down. And there's no-one to stop them, because there's no voting in someone who can.

And then it might eventually get violent, which will see crackdown on that happening again. And there's no-one to stop them, because there's no voting in someone who can.

Autocrats can't stand threats. And the biggest threat to an autocrat is an armed population that can say what they want about them.

Trumpism is the biggest threat to their precious first and second amendments that they can possibly face, simply because it's very nature means that everything that isn't a cult member is an enemy, and any potential threats need to be removed. MAGA nation is just too thick to see it.

ghostfacekilla

It'll be interesting to witness the evolution (or devolution) of the GOP post Trump. Youngkin is most likely waiting for a post Trump run, and although he is conservative, he's not batshit and would be a great choice for the moderates. The trouble would be for him to convince the MAGA voters that he's their man, as we'll definitely see a Ramaswamy type candidate, copying the Trump playbook running against him. Youngkin could bring the GOP back towards the centre, and away from the chaos, but the gun toting, racist lunatics will still be left baying for blood as a hangover from the Donnie T years. A landslide for Biden in this election, which isn't impossible, as polls are largely irrelevant at this time of year, could upend the GOP for several elections if the Dems have a strong, unifying successor waiting in the wings. Harris is not anywhere near an ideal candidate, and I don't think America is ready for a female president, as they're more misogynist than they are racist. If the Democrats lose this election or even if it's closely contested, they obviously need new strategists.

Leroy42

What is the actual basis for the 8 year limit? If Trump were to win in 2024, how likely is it that he could simply ignore the 8 year 'rule'?

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428040#Comment_121428040

It's the 22nd amendment in the constitution

pixelburp

Whatever about what Trump does if he wins, we can also be fairly sure if he loses we'll see the exact same stalling, court cases, blocking and overall attempts to derail democracy as was attempted in 2020. Maybe even worse than before given they can all now claim persecution and conspiracy two times over.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

None of which worked last time and the world moves on. At least until 2028.