What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

ExMachina1000

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

From the Wikipedia page on this website:

Media Bias/Fact Check (MBFC) is a website founded in 2015 by editor Dave Van Zandt. The website has been described as an amateur effort to rate news media sources based on factual accuracy and political bias.

Yes. And it is widely used.

"Based on factual accuracy and political bias"

Isnt that the idea

ohnonotgmail

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Yes. And it is widely used.

"Based on factual accuracy and political bias"

Isnt that the idea

reading the whole sentence is important

The website has been described as an amateur effort to rate news media sources based on factual accuracy and political bias.

odd that you omitted the part that called it "an amateur effort". very odd indeed.

Smee_Again

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Yes. And it is widely used.

"Based on factual accuracy and political bias"

Isnt that the idea

According to the wiki page that reads like it’s written by Van Zandt himself.

Who uses it?

ExMachina1000

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings#ratings

Here is another media bias checking company.
And again the same rating for CNN.
That's 2 from 2.

However we are straying away from thread topic so those are my thoughts on CNN. Clearly I'm not alone

All news sources are biased - biased towards making as much money as possible by getting the biggest audience.

Both CNN's and Fox News's business model to get the biggest audience is to play nicer to one of the two sides. However, that does not mean that they are equal and opposite. Instead, most studies show that Fox News is both much more biased and much less reliable than CNN.



Methodology for creating this graph can be seen here.

Reuters etc. sell news to other providers on both sides of the political spectrum. Therefore their business model instead demands objectivity as them remaining as close to central as possible results in max profits.

dontmindme

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Which is why they're trying to replace him with the likes of Tucker Carlson.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/03/16/tucker-carlson-new-trump-fox-news-stelter-pkg-hnk-vpx.cnn

They both said the word "corrupt" !!!

Someone is going to try and defend this lame CNN "news" item?

A "news" item that consists of CNN attacking some other channel's news presenter, as they desperately try and scramble a new bogeyman together in an attempt to try and shore up their dwindling viewer numbers and to try and maintain some relevance for themselves.. Was there no actual news this day or what?

Ted_YNWA

Mod

Feel free to start a thread on the integrity of media outlets. Don't derail this thread with it.

Back on topic please.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1373030281163071489?s=19

A little bit of Schadenfreude this morning.

Well, if the staff and patrons took the lead from 45 on how they should just "get on with things", i can see how this would happen

Penn

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1373030281163071489?s=19

A little bit of Schadenfreude this morning.

Well, if the staff and patrons took the lead from 45 on how they should just "get on with things", i can see how this would happen

He has no power over the country anymore. Yet the places he still has power, still gets ravaged by Covid.

ExMachina1000

Penn wrote: »

He has no power over the country anymore. Yet the places he still has power, still gets ravaged by Covid.

Silly analogy. He doesn't run the resort, he owns it. Management made the decision. Members of the public or staff brought the virus in.

There were 66,000 new cases of covid announced for yesterday in the United States. Wonder how many owners of businesses were singled out an blamed?
Just Trump by the looks of it. Right

fullstop

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Silly analogy. He doesn't run the resort, he owns it. Management made the decision. Members of the public or staff brought the virus in.

There were 66,000 new cases of covid announced for yesterday in the United States. Wonder how many owners of businesses were singled out an blamed?
Just Trump by the looks of it. Right

Right yeah, he’s just your average business owner. Not to blame at all

Smee_Again

fullstop wrote: »

Right yeah, he’s just your average business owner. Not to blame at all

But when it reopens and there’s credit to claim for that he’ll be front and centre.

As usual he’ll want none of the responsibility and all of the credit.

Penn

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Silly analogy. He doesn't run the resort, he owns it. Management made the decision. Members of the public or staff brought the virus in.

There were 66,000 new cases of covid announced for yesterday in the United States. Wonder how many owners of businesses were singled out an blamed?
Just Trump by the looks of it. Right

It was a snarky comment. Calm down.

banie01

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Silly analogy. He doesn't run the resort, he owns it. Management made the decision. Members of the public or staff brought the virus in.

There were 66,000 new cases of covid announced for yesterday in the United States. Wonder how many owners of businesses were singled out an blamed?
Just Trump by the looks of it. Right

It's not a silly analogy though.
As chief executive of the US he failed miserably and disastrously to mitigate Covid.
As chief executive of his business and more importantly his "home" he has continued that incompetence.

Also, he isn't just the "owner" of Mar-a-lago.
He is listed as an employee, being an employee is the only way he can legally live there.


https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/columns/2021/02/13/cerabino-heres-how-trump-can-polish-his-status-mar-lago-employee/6739920002/

But as the town attorney pointed out, the code does consider bona fide employees to include “sole proprietors, partners, limited partners, corporate officers and the like.”

And that’s a strong argument for allowing Trump to call Mar-a-Lago his home, even though it’s not zoned as a residential property.

“If he is a bona fide employee of the club, absent a specific restriction prohibiting former President Trump from residing at the club, it appears the zoning code permits him to reside at the club,” Randolph wrote in a memorandum to council members.e

Leroy42

Its the inate desire to remove any level of responsibility from Trump by his supporters that I find the most odd.

Doesn't matter what he does, or doesn't do, it is never his responsibility.

That insistence that he has no control, or responsibility, flies in the face of the claim that he is a good leader or the person to lead America.

ExMachina1000

Leroy42 wrote: »

Its the inate desire to remove any level of responsibility from Trump by his supporters that I find the most odd.

Doesn't matter what he does, or doesn't do, it is never his responsibility.

That insistence that he has no control, or responsibility, flies in the face of the claim that he is a good leader of the person to lead America.

Not at all. The scenario laid out above is that because a guest or employee of the resort brought in covid that oh its Trumps fault.

The man in room 25 stayed 3 nights and has tested positive for covid. Trumps fault
Or
The bar man tested positive for covid. Trumps fault.

Non stop over and over.

And then to act surprised when not everyone joins the mob. Come on man

"Responsibility from Trump"

Smee_Again

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Not at all. The scenario laid out above is that because a guest or employee of the resort brought in covid that oh its Trumps fault.

The man in room 25 stayed 3 nights and has tested positive for covid. Trumps fault
Or
The bar man tested positive for covid. Trumps fault.

Non stop over and over.

And then to act surprised when not everyone joins the mob. Come on man

"Responsibility from Trump"

The thing is though that COVID infections follow him around like a bad smell.

His country, his administration, his previous residence, his current residence, his rallies, his security detail and more have all been infested with COVID so on the balance of probabilities he is at least partly to blame.

To say otherwise is to ignore the previous 12-15 months.

Tell me how

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Not at all. The scenario laid out above is that because a guest or employee of the resort brought in covid that oh its Trumps fault.

The man in room 25 stayed 3 nights and has tested positive for covid. Trumps fault
Or
The bar man tested positive for covid. Trumps fault.

Non stop over and over.

And then to act surprised when not everyone joins the mob. Come on man

"Responsibility from Trump"

It's the semantics about the whole thing. Pretty much 12 months ago, Trump was talking about how this virus would disappear to nothing and he was in control of directing the country the best way in how to try to ensure that this was the case. In fact, 2 weeks before Easter, he was predicting that everything would be open again by Easter weekend.

The message he gave, the direction he gave and the policies which he didn't enact ensure that he was 100% wrong about this and really didn't know what he was talking about.

And I think no one here would deny that whatever way they have attempted to manage Covid in Mar-A-Lago since Jan 20th, it has been with his blessing if not exactly under his direction. And that has patently failed.

Trump didn't go and cough in the guys face to give him covid, but if they had policies around proven negative tests within 2 days before of arrviving or if they had a mask policy on the porperty, or if they had social distancing guidelines, or if they had a track and trace policy, it's quite possible that they wouldn't have had to shut things down as they have done.

So, this little story shows just how unsuitable he was for managing the control of the pandemic for the whole country when he couldn't do it for a little resort in Florida.

Leroy42

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Not at all. The scenario laid out above is that because a guest or employee of the resort brought in covid that oh its Trumps fault.

The man in room 25 stayed 3 nights and has tested positive for covid. Trumps fault
Or
The bar man tested positive for covid. Trumps fault.

Non stop over and over.

And then to act surprised when not everyone joins the mob. Come on man

"Responsibility from Trump"

But he owns the resort, he was in charge of the US response and now both the WH and MLago have issues.

Either he is in control of those working for him or he isn't. I'm not blaming him for either outbreak, but a leader sets the tone.

So it is either he has no control, and despite the obvious risks hasn't taken it as a serious issue to take control of, or he does have control and is failing.

Either way it is his ultimate responsibility. As I said, I don't understand why you, and of course its not just you, are constantly looking to give Trump an excuse for his inability to lead.

duploelabs

Smee_Again wrote: »

The thing is though that COVID infections follow him around like a bad smell.

His country, his administration, his previous residence, his current residence, his rallies, his security detail and more have all been infested with COVID so on the balance of probabilities he is at least partly to blame.

To say otherwise is to ignore the previous 12-15 months.

Sure trump himself is vaccinated, do you think he cares about enforcing any anti covid regulations now?

Smee_Again

duploelabs wrote: »

Sure trump himself is vaccinated, do you think he cares about enforcing any anti covid regulations now?

Not one bit.

And I’d hazard a guess that he would have vetoed any measures that would impact on revenue which just emphasis how poor, shortsighted and selfish a leader he is.

ExMachina1000

Trump is coming back to social media. This time under his own brand apparently

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/21/trump-twitter-ban-social-media-own-platform

Great news for the Trump lovers and haters who have had a hole left in their lives since he was banned by the left leaning tech overlords

extra gravy

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Great news for the Trump lovers and haters who have had a hole left in their lives since he was banned by the left leaning tech overlords

What a sad life you'd have if there was a hole left in it by that fool's absence.

ExMachina1000

extra gravy wrote: »

What a sad life you'd have if there was a hole left in it by that fool's absence.

Pretty sad people out there for sure. Spending countless hours posting about their love or hatred of the man.

ohnonotgmail

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Pretty sad people out there for sure. Spending countless hours posting about their love or hatred of the man.

Sweetemotion

Humanitarian disaster at the border.

Trolled by Russia.

Told to shut up by China.

Taking credit for an already in place Covid plan.

Trump or someone like him will be a shoe in for the next election.

extra gravy

Sweetemotion wrote: »

an already in place Covid plan.

ExMachina1000

extra gravy wrote: »

This is ray liotta and from the movie "casino" I believe or is it from goodfellas?

Great movie in fairness.

But anyway back to Trump. Not much information about his new upcoming platform , it might be part of a whole media package . TV channel, social media etc.
I can see Don Jr having his own TV show or discussion segment maybe. Could be some input from Ivanka too. Eric probably not so much

ohnonotgmail

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

This is ray liotta and from the movie "casino" I believe or is it from goodfellas?

Great movie in fairness.

But anyway back to Trump. Not much information about his new upcoming platform , it might be part of a whole media package . TV channel, social media etc.
I can see Don Jr having his own TV show or discussion segment maybe. Could be some input from Ivanka too. Eric probably not so much

so we get to see Don Jr ranting while high as a kite on a regular basis? probably worth watching for the car crash nature if nothing else.

ExMachina1000

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so we get to see Don Jr ranting while high as a kite on a regular basis? probably worth watching for the car crash nature if nothing else.

Maybe so.
You don't need to tell me that you will watch the upcoming Trump network. I know you will.
Would you pay to watch though? A subscription based model.

It could be a great source of revenue for Trump and really get his brand out there