Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Professor Moriarty

Deleted User wrote: »

Hahaha..

Don't mock that poster. Not nice.

everlast75

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Allow me to define. Thinking about the fact that more black people are jailed and murdered in the US than white people, is it because that's what black people do?

walshb wrote: »

Black people commit crime.
White people commit crime
All colors of people commit crime.

People commit crime. Such is life.

All people are jailed/dealt with if that is the judiciary’s position..

No, hang on.

What is, in your view, the reason why there is a higher rate of incarceration of black people?

It is accepted that all folk commit crime, but you might explain why you think there are more black people in jail.

FatherTed

everlast75 wrote: »

No, hang on.

What is, in your view, the reason why there is a higher rate of incarceration of black people?

It is accepted that all folk commit crime, but you might explain why you think there are more black people in jail.

In addition to @weiss post about about Black men were eight times more likely to be stopped by police than White men and three times more likely to be stopped than Hispanic men. Explain that.

Explain why my 19 year old son, irishy redheaded young man doesn't have to worry much about getting pulled over for nothing while my black neighbor is constantly worried about his son the same age.

Explain why if I go to Walmart and on the way out the security guy at the exit gives me a nice nod and goodbye while a black guy has his bag and receipt checked (no matter if the security guard is black or white).

walshb

everlast75 wrote: »

No, hang on.

What is, in your view, the reason why there is a higher rate of incarceration of black people?

It is accepted that all folk commit crime, but you might explain why you think there are more black people in jail.

Why are there more black people in prison percentage wise compared to white people:

Because percentage wise they are committing more crime and getting caught/convicted for these crimes?

Circa 35 percent prison pop in America are black

Circa 30 percent prison pop is white..

U.S. population is circa 65 percent white and 13/14 percent black.

Now, why do you think?

MisterAnarchy

everlast75 wrote: »

So, why are you piping in, as a white man, if that's a conversation they need to have amongst themselves?

Because its easier to blame someone else as Critical Race Theory preaches.

It has now swept through the worlds of government and business to such an extent that the Irish and American governments – as well as all major corporations – are having to decide what attitude to take towards it.

Its practitioners believe that their ideas are not just important and vital but totalistic in their interpretation and applicability.
They can in other words be rolled out everywhere.
This has been achieved by the claim – which increased in volume year by year – that absolutely everything in life is racist.

These people ensured that rather than race being an increasingly unimportant factor, race became the primary, most important prism through which to look at everything.

In the last year since BLM rose to power, CRT has moved out into the mainstream.

At workplaces across the world, in Governments, in the media, on discussion forums, the offspring of this poisonous ideology is now everywhere.

Bosses and employees in government departments and private companies all over the world have repeatedly told their employees to “educate themselves” on race.

Nonsense like diversity training, unconscious bias training.

Essentially this is the old Marxist faith poured from the class bottle into the race-sex-gender one. Meaning is realised through struggle against those who commit wrong think.

Critical Race Theory was, from the start, an unremitting attack on Western institutions and norms in order to tear them down.

Biden has fully embraced Identity politics and Critical Race Theory.

Do you expect decent white people to sit idly be and be pillored for their so called white privilege and inherent bias ?

Professor Moriarty

everlast75 wrote: »

No, hang on.

What is, in your view, the reason why there is a higher rate of incarceration of black people?

It is accepted that all folk commit crime, but you might explain why you think there are more black people in jail.

I think there is an inability or an unwillingness to engage meaningfully by certain posters. I wouldn't waste time.

Leroy42

So was all that Martin Luther King stuff I read about just based on him not really understanding things?

Biden is simply stoking up a race war because the minorites will win him the election? Wouldn't the majority, whites not feel under threat from such a tactic?

That the BLM movement is simply an overreaction?

Maybe the whole KKK was simply a few understood kids up to no good?

Or are those posters saying that systematic racism doesn't exist feel that all the racism f the past is now gone?

extra gravy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Do you expect decent white people to sit idly be and be pillored for their so called white privilege and inherent bias ?

Aw the poor downtrodden white man. Let me get my tiny violin for you.

ohnonotgmail

Leroy42 wrote: »

So was all that Martin Luther King stuff I read about just based on him not really understanding things?

Biden is simply stoking up a race war because the minorites will win him the election? Wouldn't the majority, whites not feel under threat from such a tactic?

That the BLM movement is simply an overreaction?

Maybe the whole KKK was simply a few understood kids up to no good?

Or are those posters saying that systematic racism doesn't exist feel that all the racism f the past is now gone?

one of them said exactly that. once the racist laws were struck from the books systemic racism ceased to exist in the U.S.

walshb

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

one of them said exactly that. once the racist laws were struck from the books racism ceased to exist in the U.S.

Who said “racism” ceased to exist once laws were changed/removed?

It is impossible to remove racism from humans..

BanditLuke

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

1 in 10 Black men are in prison in US, how is the problem "ignored" ?

Ignored in their own communities. You don't see mass protests or rallys for black people shot by black people in fact it's glorified by certain parts of the rap industry.

ohnonotgmail

walshb wrote: »

Who said “racism” ceased to exist once laws were changed/removed?

It is impossible to remove racism from humans..

i have updated my post.

walshb

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i have updated my post.

Okey doke..

Firm believer in cooperation and diplomacy and meeting half way..

Best I’ll say here is to say that today things are far far better for all people in the U.S. as regards treatment and living, concerning skin color..

Far more tolerant society, different attitudes and far more intolerance from people to racism.

Laws changed. Nowhere is there any law that discriminates against color.

Systemic racism absolutely existed.

It is on its last legs now. Dying...not near the cancer it was due to the changes I have mentioned..

The way some people are trying to portray it as being so evident and so strong is flat out wrong, and dangerous.

FatherTed

FatherTed wrote: »

In addition to @weiss post about about Black men were eight times more likely to be stopped by police than White men and three times more likely to be stopped than Hispanic men. Explain that.

Explain why my 19 year old son, irishy redheaded young man doesn't have to worry much about getting pulled over for nothing while my black neighbor is constantly worried about his son the same age.

Explain why if I go to Walmart and on the way out the security guy at the exit gives me a nice nod and goodbye while a black guy has his bag and receipt checked (no matter if the security guard is black or white).

It’s a bit odd to think that whites aren’t pulled over in the US. I was. However to deal with that your society should perhaps change the system to stop all cars being pulled over without probable cause, or a clear violation of the rules of traffic.

Leroy42

Right, Walshb, you accept it was bad, it has gotten better, but that there is still more work to do.

Is that a fair summation of your position?

ohnonotgmail

fvp4 wrote: »

It’s a bit odd to think that whites aren’t pulled over in the US. I was. However to deal with that your society should perhaps change the system to stop all cars being pulled over without probable cause, or a clear violation of the rules of traffic.

yeah, perhaps you should read a post before responding to it. nobody has suggested that whites don't get pulled over. that is just nonsense.

WrenBoy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

yeah, perhaps you should read a post before responding to it. nobody has suggested that whites don't get pulled over. that is just nonsense.

FatherTed wrote: »

In addition to @weiss post about about Black men were eight times more likely to be stopped by police than White men and three times more likely to be stopped than Hispanic men. Explain that.

Explain why my 19 year old son, irishy redheaded young man doesn't have to worry much about getting pulled over for nothing while my black neighbor is constantly worried about his son the same age.

Explain why if I go to Walmart and on the way out the security guy at the exit gives me a nice nod and goodbye while a black guy has his bag and receipt checked (no matter if the security guard is black or white).

This personal account seems to suggest just that.

walshb

Leroy42 wrote: »

Right, Walshb, you accept it was bad, it has gotten better, but that there is still more work to do.

Is that a fair summation of your position?

Bad.

Hugely improved.

Always work to be done...racism will forever be among humans.

Racism of all kinds.

Another issue that is with us now, that is quite worrying: the incessant digging and searching for racism and racist angles where they do not exist..

My god, folks now who may say/utter the most innocuous and inoffensive things can see them being hounded, slated and rounded on for displaying racism.

It has gone so OTT. So, racism is now being ridiculously diluted by people, because people now all have platforms and voices, and it’s one big cesspool of aggro.

ohnonotgmail

WrenBoy wrote: »

This personal account seems to suggest just that.

it really doesn't. maybe try reading it again.

WrenBoy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it really doesn't. maybe try reading it again.

It does. Will I read it again and report back ?

Smee_Again

WrenBoy wrote: »

It does. Will I read it again and report back ?

You probably should, and pay attention to what it actually says and not what you've decided it says.

MisterAnarchy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I think there is an inability or an unwillingness to engage meaningfully by certain posters. I wouldn't waste time.

Pot calling the kettle black, pardon the pun.

WrenBoy

Smee_Again wrote: »

You probably should, and pay attention to what it actually says and not what you've decided it says.

All done ya happy with my first interpretation.

Overheal

walshb wrote: »

Both sides can spend days posting links that support their sides..

Nothing is definitive.

Simple: cops target crime and criminals. Not colors..

End of story...

Why does it always come back to racism/systemic racism just because some statistics show certain colors being more involved day to day with cops?

Nothing is definitive but bla bla bla end of story? Uh

Smee_Again

WrenBoy wrote: »

All done ya happy with my first interpretation.

Just for me then because I must be a bit slow, will you quote where he says whites aren't pulled over in the US.

Overheal

biko wrote: »

You actually claimed systemic racism existed today in the form of punishment for crime.

It does not. Penal labour is time limited involuntary servitude and not geared towards one race over another.
Involuntary servitude is not slavery (that's why both phrases show in the amendment and not just the word slavery).

By the way, it's not "our" criminal justice system You may be in US, but the rest of us are in Ireland.
Our system banned penal labour 23 years ago. Our neighbour UK banned it in the 50s.
The US need to catch up. Maybe chat to Kamala about abolishing it altogether?

Biko you’re a bright lad I take it you can parse when I mean “our” and whom I am referring to.

Winky face etc

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

yeah, perhaps you should read a post before responding to it. nobody has suggested that whites don't get pulled over. that is just nonsense.

He kinda did. Not that I care so much because it’s a different country and a totally different system. The sheer mind colonisation re the US is mind boggling.

ohnonotgmail

WrenBoy wrote: »

It does. Will I read it again and report back ?

knock yourself out.

ohnonotgmail

fvp4 wrote: »

He kinda did. Not that I care so much because it’s a different country and a totally different system. The sheer mind colonisation re the US is mind boggling.

the what now?

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the what now?

The colonisation of the non American mind by American culture, politics and news.

everlast75

walshb wrote: »

Why are there more black people in prison percentage wise compared to white people:

Because percentage wise they are committing more crime and getting caught/convicted for these crimes?

Circa 35 percent prison pop in America are black

Circa 30 percent prison pop is white..

U.S. population is circa 65 percent white and 13/14 percent black.

Now, why do you think?

So you think that they are committing more crime?

If that is true, why do you think are they committing more crime than say, white folk?

ohnonotgmail

fvp4 wrote: »

The colonisation of the non American mind by American culture, politics and news.

if you dont want to discuss american culture, politics and news then perhaps this is not the thread for you.

walshb

everlast75 wrote: »

So you think that they are committing more crime?

If that is true, why do you think are they committing more crime than say, white folk?

No no.

You first.

You don’t get to just keep asking questions..

White people make up 65 percent U.S. population. Black people make up at least 4 times less.

Percentage wise they appear to be committing more crime.

Why do you think that there are more black people incarcerated than white people?

I gave my answer.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if you dont want to discuss american culture, politics and news then perhaps this is not the thread for you.

It is the thread for me. To point out his mind colonised you are. American supremacism has no place in Ireland.

Anyway I’ve asked in feedback that you all get shunted into your own little ghetto. Let’s see what happens.

(It would be great to hide entire threads too but I don’t think we have the technology).

ohnonotgmail

fvp4 wrote: »

It is the thread for me. To point out his mind colonised you are. American supremacism has no place in Ireland.

Anyway I’ve asked in feedback that you all get shunted into your own little ghetto. Let’s see what happens.

(It would be great to hide entire threads too but I don’t think we have the technology).

we're not discussing Ireland so I don't see what that is relevant. I've just looked at your feedback thread. pathetic is the only word that springs to mind. It must be beyond you to simply ignore threads that are of no interest to you.

everlast75

walshb wrote: »

No no.

You first.

You don’t get to just keep asking questions..

White people make up 65 percent U.S. population. Black people make up at least 4 times less.

Percentage wise they appear to be committing more crime.

Why do you think that there are more black people incarcerated than white people?

I gave my answer.

No need to get defensive! I'm asking questions in a polite way.

I''ve no problem answering.

I believe that there is systemic and institutional racism in the U.S.

I believe that black folk are targeted by the police system.

I think they are more poorly treated by the police.

I think that the judicial system is unfair to poorer communities, and the black communities are disproportionately poor.

Now, your turn.

walshb

Why are black people committing crime at a higher percentage than white people?

I don’t know. You would have to ask them..

Why do humans commit crime...

There are likely several reasons...

Poverty could be one reason. Being a bad apple another. Being drunk could be another..loads reasons could be given.

Leroy42

walshb wrote: »

No no.

You first.

You don’t get to just keep asking questions..

White people make up 65 percent U.S. population. Black people make up at least 4 times less.

Percentage wise they appear to be committing more crime.

Why do you think that there are more black people incarcerated than white people?

I gave my answer.

I think part of it is poverty. Part of it is systemic racism.

Poverty leads people to make bad choices. When it appears as if there is no hope to get out of poverty, then it is not surprising that people take the shortcut by turning to crime.

Lacks of good schools, good sporting facilities, lack of decent jobs. Lack of a history of going to further education is a big issue. What is being done to deal with these issues?

Systematic racism in that people seems to simply accept that more black people in jail must mean it's their own fault. They are, on the whole, simply not as good people as white people.

And dig into the numbers. What are the crimes that black people are being incarcerated for? White people certainly commit crimes, but many of them are given suspended sentences, or some form of leniency because of their background, where they live, the school they went to, the lawyers they could afford.

The system is set up against them. At every turn. There are plenty of examples of white people being giving a far easier time than a black person when confronted by the police.

everlast75

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is the thread for me. To point out his mind colonised you are. American supremacism has no place in Ireland.

Anyway I’ve asked in feedback that you all get shunted into your own little ghetto. Let’s see what happens.

(It would be great to hide entire threads too but I don’t think we have the technology).

You've requested that we all be put together and separated from everyone else, so that you don't have to interact with folk you can't relate to?

How "on brand".

MisterAnarchy

fvp4 wrote: »

It is the thread for me. To point out his mind colonised you are. American supremacism has no place in Ireland.

Anyway I’ve asked in feedback that you all get shunted into your own little ghetto. Let’s see what happens.

(It would be great to hide entire threads too but I don’t think we have the technology).

A great idea .
Put the hivemind in its rightful place.

Tony EH

fvp4 wrote: »

It is the thread for me. To point out his mind colonised you are. American supremacism has no place in Ireland.

Anyway I’ve asked in feedback that you all get shunted into your own little ghetto. Let’s see what happens.

(It would be great to hide entire threads too but I don’t think we have the technology).

So, you've "joined" the site barely 5 months ago and you think you can tell them how things should be run?

Good luck with that. :pac:

francois

fvp4 wrote: »

It is the thread for me. To point out his mind colonised you are. American supremacism has no place in Ireland.

Anyway I’ve asked in feedback that you all get shunted into your own little ghetto. Let’s see what happens.

(It would be great to hide entire threads too but I don’t think we have the technology).

smells of cancel culture

walshb

Leroy42 wrote: »

I think part of it is poverty. Part of it is systemic racism.

.

You think systemic racism makes black people commit crime?

Also, can you point to anything today in the U.S. that precludes black people from resisting and fighting against poverty?

Have they not every right that any other person has, considering nothing in the U.S. discriminates against people based on their color.

Color in America is non existent in terms of laws and rights...

People are all equal. What different colors of people make of these laws and rights and opportunities is up to them..

Quin_Dub

Leroy42 wrote: »

I think part of it is poverty. Part of it is systemic racism.

Poverty leads people to make bad choices. When it appears as if there is no hope to get out of poverty, then it is not surprising that people take the shortcut by turning to crime.

Lacks of good schools, good sporting facilities, lack of decent jobs. Lack of a history of going to further education is a big issue. What is being done to deal with these issues?

Systematic racism in that people seems to simply accept that more black people in jail must mean it's their own fault. They are, on the whole, simply not as good people as white people.

And dig into the numbers. What are the crimes that black people are being incarcerated for? White people certainly commit crimes, but many of them are given suspended sentences, or some form of leniency because of their background, where they live, the school they went to, the lawyers they could afford.

The system is set up against them. At every turn. There are plenty of examples of white people being giving a far easier time than a black person when confronted by the police.

This is the key point - the different engagement all the way through the process drives the disparity in the data.

The white guy gets the "benefit of the doubt" far more often than the black guy.

Black person is more likely to get pull over or stopped by Police.

If stopped , they are more likely to be searched or have their vehicle searched.

If evidence of a crime is discovered they are more likely to be charged , and more likely to be charged with the more serious version of the charge - Felon vs. Misdemeanor etc.

When arrested they are more likely to be refused bail and/or be unable to afford it and so end up spending time in jail.

When they get to court , they are more likely to receive a custodial sentence.

It is NOT a level playing field.

As an example - Two guys walking the same street , both have a little bit of marujana in their pocket.

One is Black , one is White - Both have technically committed a crime (depending on the State).

The Black guy however is orders of magnitude more likely to end up in jail because of the aforementioned imbalance in the engagement process throughout the entire system in the US.

That's just the reality of the situation.

The Raging Bile Duct

walshb wrote: »

Why are black people committing crime at a higher percentage than white people?

I don’t know. You would have to ask them..

Why do humans commit crime...

There are likely several reasons...

Poverty could be one reason. Being a bad apple another. Being drunk could be another..loads reasons could be given.

Poverty is going to be a major factor for many turning to crime. There's an interesting examination of the black-white wealth gap here.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining-the-black-white-wealth-gap/

Aclose examination of wealth in the U.S. finds evidence of staggering racial disparities. At $171,000, the net worth of a typical white family is nearly ten times greater than that of a Black family ($17,150) in 2016.

Just how large and persistent are these racial wealth gaps? Median net worth for white households has far exceeded that of Black households through recessions and booms over the last thirty years. While movements in white wealth are easier to see due to the larger scale, during the most recent economic downturn, median net worth declined by more for Black families (44.3 percent decline from 2007 to 2013) than for white families (26.1 percent decline). In fact, the ratio of white family wealth to Black family wealth is higher today than at the start of the century.

Or you can ignore that and we'll pretend that all black people are really just bad apples.

Brian?

Biden just announced a plan to halve US emissions by 2030 and people are arguing about identity politics.

This is the biggest shift in environmental policy ever. It shows Biden is following through on his promises and not spending his time playing identity politics like some seem to think.

Quin_Dub

Brian? wrote: »

Biden just announced a plan to halve US emissions by 2030 and people are arguing about identity politics.

This is the biggest shift in environmental policy ever. It shows Biden is following through on his promises and not spending his time playing identity politics like some seem to think.

Whilst it's absolutely the right move , it might finally give the GOP the fight to coalesce around.

They've been struggling to land a clean punch on him since he took office.

This might give them the "crisp talking points" that they've been craving.

The Raging Bile Duct

walshb wrote: »

You think systemic racism makes black people commit crime?

Also, can you point to anything today in the U.S. that precludes black people from resisting and fighting against poverty?

Have they not every right that any other person has, considering nothing in the U.S. discriminates against people based on their color.

Color in America is non existent in terms of laws and rights...

People are all equal. What different colors of people make of these laws and rights and opportunities is up to them..

You can claim people are equal but their access to opportunities isn't. People with access to money/wealth are more likely to be able to take advantage of the opportunities afforded to them.

My mother, born in the 40s, grew up in a council house. When she did her inter-cert, she was top of the county and her academic achievement resulted in being awarded a scholarship to continue on to her leaving cert and possibly to college. Her family were so poor, they couldn't afford to support while she did her leaving cert, even with the scholarship. So at 15, she left school to work in a factory and that opportunity was lost to her.

Sadly, her intelligence skipped a generation but it seems to be there with her grandchildren.

Smee_Again

WrenBoy wrote: »

All done ya happy with my first interpretation.

Smee_Again wrote: »

Just for me then because I must be a bit slow, will you quote where he says whites aren't pulled over in the US.

Where'd you sexbobomb? Can't find the quote? That's because it doesn't exist, isn't it?

biko

Brian? wrote: »

Biden just announced a plan to halve US emissions by 2030

That's the Paris climate agreement. Ireland will also do this.