Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

EddieN75

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes. And you've already discussed that. Which policy would you like to move on to next?

Do you not want to discuss Afghanistan?

EddieN75

EddieN75 wrote: »

Do you not want to discuss Afghanistan?

I have already answered your question. What further questions do you have?

Joe_ Public

Biden backing the campaign to have intellectual property rights for covid vaccines waived is huge. Really puts pressure on others to follow suit. Have to say was i never expecting this, have to doff my cap to the guy.

EddieN75

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have already answered your question. What further questions do you have?

That's the discussion is it? "Yes"

Faux discussion

salmocab

EddieN75 wrote: »

I was actually the one who posted the link to AP news tracker of Bidens first 100 days and commented that he was doing a solid enough job so far.

Some seem to think you are either pro Joe or pro Donald. I'm neither I wouldn't be a fan of either for different reasons. I don't like the one or the other culture either.

It’s not a one or the other culture. We very much get your not a fan of Joe but as far as I remember you haven’t actually said why, you were content to post quite a few posts about two masks whilst never actually making a point.

EddieN75

EddieN75 wrote: »

That's the discussion is it? "Yes"

Faux discussion

You asked me a yes/no question, my apologies for answering it in full.

Here are some questions for you to answer if you would like a discussion.

1) What was the goal of sending US troops to Afghanistan and has it been achieved? Why or why not?

2) Do you think Afghanistan would be much more different now if US troops were never deployed there? Why or why not?

3) Do you believe there is any benefit in foreign troops remaining specifically in the most hostile territories? Why or why not?

4) Do you think hostility will increase after US troops are pulled? Why or why not?

Brian?

EddieN75 wrote: »

Here we clearly see cancel culture on a political level.

No, we see a user being removed for breaching the terms of service.

Brian?

biko wrote: »

It is impossible to separate the overlap between conservatism and the Republican party because it has most traditionally served as the philosophical inspiration of the party’s members.

I don't agree with Facebook's ban because I don't think FB should be able to control political voices. Nor do I think they should be able to ban Biden.

Ok, I disagree. Trump is not a conservative and ran as a Republican out of convenience.

"Political voices" seems like a very broad term. Are you ok with Facebook censoring ISIS videos?

EddieN75

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You asked me a yes/no question, my apologies for answering it in full.

Here are some questions for you to answer if you would like a discussion.

1) What was the goal of sending US troops to Afghanistan and has it been achieved? Why or why not?

2) Do you think Afghanistan would be much more different now if US troops were never deployed there? Why or why not?

3) Do you believe there is any benefit in foreign troops remaining specifically in the most hostile territories? Why or why not?

4) Do you think hostility will increase after US troops are pulled? Why or why not?

The first 3 questions have specifically nothing got to do with the Biden presidency

4 Yes hostility will increase. A power vacuum will inevitably be created . No real shock there.

The United States should focus on China and only China

EddieN75

EddieN75 wrote: »

The first 3 questions have specifically nothing got to do with the Biden presidency

4 Yes hostility will increase. A power vacuum will inevitably be created . No real shock there.

The United States should focus on China and only China

Yes they do.

1) Why is Biden pulling troops now if the goal hasn't been achieved?

2) If you think it would be worse, then shouldn't Biden keep the troops in Afghanistan?

3) Should Biden instead pull troops from certain locations and not all of them?

All of my original questions are relevant, so give them a shot if you'd like a discussion.

Private contractors will remain in Afghanistan.

EddieN75

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes they do.

1) Why is Biden pulling troops now if the goal hasn't been achieved?

2) If you think it would be worse, then shouldn't Biden keep the troops in Afghanistan?

3) Should Biden instead pull troops from certain locations and not all of them?

All of my original questions are relevant, so give them a shot if you'd like a discussion.

A discussion isn't one party firing 8 questions at the other in the space of 2 comments.
Non relevant ones too the first 3

EddieN75

EddieN75 wrote: »

A discussion isn't one party firing 8 questions at the other in the space of 2 comments.
Non relevant ones too the first 3

I asked you four questions, my other three questions were pointing out why my four questions were relevant and were not to be answered.

But if you don't want to answer the questions because it's too much effort, that's fine. Just don't ask for a discussion in the future if you can't put in the effort yourself.

MisterAnarchy

Deleted User wrote: »

But if you don't want to answer the questions because it's too much effort, that's fine. Just don't ask for a discussion in the future if you can't put in the effort yourself.

There is a huge difference between a genuine discussion and someone constantly going off in multiple tangents.
The Tangent master, whataboutery at its purest.

MisterAnarchy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

There is a huge difference between a genuine discussion and someone constantly going off in multiple tangents.
The Tangent master, whataboutery at its purest.

Thank you for your input. Would you like to discuss Joe Biden's policies? Or do you also take the hotmail.com approach of making comments just to feel superior?

EddieN75

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Or do you also take the hotmail.com approach of making comments just to feel superior?

Do you know anyone else who received a holiday or two for the same thing?

I'm happy to have a discussion with you but not in the format that you think is normal. Walls of questions with no right answer or rebuttal.

EddieN75

EddieN75 wrote: »

Do you know anyone else who received a holiday or two for the same thing?

You know of my past? So which rereg are you exactly?

I did not take a holiday, the mods agreed that my bans were not justified.

EddieN75 wrote: »

I'm happy to have a discussion with you but not in the format that you think is normal. Walls of questions with no right answer or rebuttal.

I asked four questions. You ignored three of them and chose the easiest one to answer. It's evidently you who does not want to put the effort into a discussion. And if they had an objectively right answer, it wouldn't a be discussion. It is not a maths exam, give them a shot.

Baggly

EddieN75 wrote: »

A discussion isn't one party firing 8 questions at the other in the space of 2 comments.
Non relevant ones too the first 3

Mod

Either discuss the topic of the thread with users (and discussion goes both ways) or dont post again. Either way, by your posts to date, the thread will be better off.

Overheal

Deleted User wrote: »

Private contractors will remain in Afghanistan.

Who is profiting off that hustle?

mcmoustache

everlast75 wrote: »

cOnSeRvAtIvE vOiCeS aRe BeInG sIlEnCed

https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10/status/1389948338368249856?s=19

That's just you being selective and picking that day. If you pick any other day, you'll see that it's dominated by the librul mainstream media. See today for example, a completely different story.


https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10/status/1390303129543921671

Quin_Dub

mcmoustache wrote: »

That's just you being selective and picking that day. If you pick any other day, you'll see that it's dominated by the librul mainstream media. See today for example, a completely different story.


https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10/status/1390303129543921671

Do only political hacks use Facebook in the US?

Where are the Popstars and Memes and other guff??

US Newsfeeds on Facebook must be awful poison..

Overheal

mcmoustache wrote: »

That's just you being selective and picking that day. If you pick any other day, you'll see that it's dominated by the librul mainstream media. See today for example, a completely different story.


https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10/status/1390303129543921671

This doesn't surprise me, but only because today for some reason I have been inundated with at least a handful of Sponsored posts from Ben Shapiro. The lad is burning a hole in his wallet. eg. https://fb.watch/5kf0y7ezi2/

Smee_Again

Overheal wrote: »

This doesn't surprise me, but only because today for some reason I have been inundated with at least a handful of Sponsored posts from Ben Shapiro. The lad is burning a hole in his wallet. eg. https://fb.watch/5kf0y7ezi2/

I doubt it’s his wallet.

biko

Brian? wrote: »

"Political voices" seems like a very broad term. Are you ok with Facebook censoring ISIS videos?

Videos depicting murder yes, but non violent videos should be allowed.
We'll just have to trust people are intelligent enough to make the right decision.

Censoring means that I have a "I know better than you" attitude, but also even worse - that I want to keep you from watching something that will change your mind.
Like someone said; “Socialists don’t like ordinary people choosing, for they might not choose socialism.”

biko

biko wrote: »

Videos depicting murder yes, but non violent videos should be allowed.

Non-violent videos of any kind should be allowed on what? Facebook? So you don't think Facebook should be allowed to set their own rules as to what is allowed to be posted on their site?

You seem to flip flop as to what you think quite often.

salmocab

biko wrote: »

Like someone said; “Socialists don’t like ordinary people choosing, for they might not choose socialism.”

You must be very worried about the voting laws passed in Florida.
Whilst your quote is a nice quip the reality is in America it’s the conservatives who are worried about voters not choosing conservatism.

Smee_Again

biko wrote: »

Videos depicting murder yes, but non violent videos should be allowed.
We'll just have to trust people are intelligent enough to make the right decision.

Censoring means that I have a "I know better than you" attitude, but also even worse - that I want to keep you from watching something that will change your mind.
Like someone said; “Socialists don’t like ordinary people choosing, for they might not choose socialism.”

It’s not censoring when it contravenes the terms of service/use. It’s moderating.

You know this, we went through it with you yesterday.

pjohnson

salmocab wrote: »

You must be very worried about the voting laws passed in Florida.
Whilst your quote is a nice quip the reality is in America it’s the conservatives who are worried about voters not choosing conservatism.

America doesnt like democracy.

Thats why theres such a wonky system used in the first place.

eagle eye

Smee_Again wrote:

It’s not censoring when it contravenes the terms of service/use. It’s moderating.

Seriously like, we are supposed to be talking about Joe Biden and here you are with a pedantic take on the English language as regards what social media does.

salmocab

pjohnson wrote: »

America doesnt like democracy.

Thats why theres such a wonky system used in the first place.

I said during the last election if you were setting up a new democracy and were deciding on the system to use and you suggested the American model you’d be asked to leave the meeting.

Smee_Again

eagle eye wrote: »

Seriously like, we are supposed to be talking about Joe Biden and here you are with a pedantic take on the English language as regards what social media does.

I think we can add pedantic to the list of words and phrases that you don't understand.

Besides, take it up with biko. He's the one who keeps bumping the thread and steering it back to social media.

Each time he does I'll call out his hypocrisy and ridiculousness while correcting the factual errors he makes.

landofthetree

The idea that the USA is some sort of right wing pro business country is way off.

Its spends more per capita on welfare than the EU.

It doesn't steal from the poor to pay for the middle classes to go to third level like Germany. The poor homeless person in Germany has to pay VAT on his shoes so middle class kids can go to third level.

VAT keeps the poor down in Europe.

ohnonotgmail

mcmoustache wrote: »

That's just you being selective and picking that day. If you pick any other day, you'll see that it's dominated by the librul mainstream media. See today for example, a completely different story.


https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10/status/1390303129543921671

I had no idea who Dan Bongino is. I wish I still didn't.

ohnonotgmail

biko wrote: »

Videos depicting murder yes, but non violent videos should be allowed.
We'll just have to trust people are intelligent enough to make the right decision.

Censoring means that I have a "I know better than you" attitude, but also even worse - that I want to keep you from watching something that will change your mind.
Like someone said; “Socialists don’t like ordinary people choosing, for they might not choose socialism.”

how about ISIS videos praising violence committed by others?

Smee_Again

landofthetree wrote: »

The idea that the USA is some sort of right wing pro business country is way off.

Its spends more per capita on welfare than the EU.

It doesn't steal from the poor to pay for the middle classes to go to third level like Germany. The poor homeless person in Germany has to pay VAT on his shoes so middle class kids can go to third level.

VAT keeps the poor down in Europe.

But less than Luxembourg, Norway (not in EU), Denmark, Austria, Belgium, France, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Switzerland (not in EU) and Ireland.

Source

eagle eye

Smee_Again wrote:

I think we can add pedantic to the list of words and phrases that you don't understand.

More pedantry. You haven't a clue about the English language but if you want to discuss it further bring it to pm or start another thread
And just so you know pedantry is being picky about minor details.
It was easy to understand what he meant by censorship, strong moderation of a website is similar to censorship.

ohnonotgmail

eagle eye wrote: »

More pedantry. You haven't a clue about the English language but if you want to discuss it further bring it to pm or start another thread
And just so you know pedantry is being picky about minor details.
It was easy to understand what he meant by censorship, strong moderation of a website is similar to censorship.

no, no it isn't.

eagle eye

ohnonotgmail wrote:

no, no it isn't.

It is, it's being very picky about unimportant minor details of a post.

ohnonotgmail

eagle eye wrote: »

It is, it's being very picky about unimportant minor details of a post.

what constitutes censorship is not a minor detail. It is a lazy term that is thrown around far too often by those who don't understand what it means.

salmocab

eagle eye wrote: »

It is, it's being very picky about unimportant minor details of a post.

Did you not have whinge about not talking about Biden earlier and now your involved in this?

Smee_Again

eagle eye wrote: »

More pedantry. You haven't a clue about the English language but if you want to discuss it further bring it to pm or start another thread
And just so you know pedantry is being picky about minor details.
It was easy to understand what he meant by censorship, strong moderation of a website is similar to censorship.

There's no need to take it PM, it's not pedantry or pedantic to point out the difference between censorship and moderation.

I could explain it to you if you like, but it may come across as condescending so I'll wait for you to ask first.

eagle eye

ohnonotgmail wrote:

what constitutes censorship is not a minor detail. It is a lazy term that is thrown around far too often by those who don't understand what it means.

Yeah but we are not in English school. We are on an internet forum discussing issues and they are being dragged way off topic by people deciding to give English lessons instead of understanding what a person actually is intending to say and discussing the issue at hand.

ohnonotgmail

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah but we are not in English school. We are on an internet forum discussing issues and they are being dragged way off topic by people deciding to give English lessons instead of understanding what a person actually is intending to say and discussing the issue at hand.

words have meanings. meanings are important. disregarding the real meanings of words has partially lead the world to the state it is in today. And with that I'm done with you. It isn't worth the effort.

eagle eye

Smee_Again wrote:

There's no need to take it PM, it's not pedantry or pedantic to point out the difference between censorship and moderation.

It's picky and unimportant in the context of this thread ergo pedantic.

Smee_Again wrote:

I could explain it to you if you like, but it may come across as condescending so I'll wait for you to ask first.

I'll challenge you to a meeting in person with a sheet of paper each, when things get back to normal, and we have to explain words given to us by an independent third party. I'm willing to wager up to 1000 euro with you on who gets the most correct.

eagle eye

ohnonotgmail wrote:

words have meanings. meanings are important. disregarding the real meanings of words has partially lead the world to the state it is in today. And with that I'm done with you. It isn't worth the effort.

I'm sure there's an English forum on here somewhere if you wish to have those discussions. I meet people every day who don't speak proper English but I never pull them up on it. Reason being they wouldn't like it and it's not important enough.

landofthetree

landofthetree wrote: »

The idea that the USA is some sort of right wing pro business country is way off.

c.$50 trillion has moved from the working and middles classes to the top 1% since the 1970s in America.

50,000 people die every year because they cannot access healthcare. Pharmaceutical companies can charge whatever price they wish so even those that can access medicine pay exorbitant prices. The tax-payer helps fund these companies and get **** all protections in return.

Over 60% of declared bankruptcies are due to medical bills.

Money is free speech in America and big business takes advantage of it. America is utopia for big business.

ohnonotgmail

eagle eye wrote: »

It's picky and unimportant in the context of this thread ergo pedantic.


I'll challenge you to a meeting in person with a sheet of paper each, when things get back to normal, and we have to explain words given to us by an independent third party. I'm willing to wager up to 1000 euro with you on who gets the most correct.

make sure they don't include the words censorship or moderation.

eagle eye

ohnonotgmail wrote:

make sure they don't include the words censorship or moderation.

Why? I understand the difference between them. I'm not the one that was being picked at about those words.

ohnonotgmail

eagle eye wrote: »

Why? I understand the difference between them. I'm not the one that was being picked at about those words.

you really don't

It was easy to understand what he meant by censorship, strong moderation of a website is similar to censorship.

Smee_Again

eagle eye wrote: »

It's picky and unimportant in the context of this thread ergo pedantic.


I'll challenge you to a meeting in person with a sheet of paper each, when things get back to normal, and we have to explain words given to us by an independent third party. I'm willing to wager up to 1000 euro with you on who gets the most correct.

This is bizarre, you've picked a strange hill to die on here.

As ohno said words have meanings, particularly on online platforms where its harder to convey tone etc.

Anyway, this is way OT so I'll leave it there.