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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    WhomadeGod wrote: »
    I understand what you are saying but how below the projection is worrying all the same.

    To have a projection of 1 million new jobs but only end up with 266,000 new jobs
    And unemployment increasing from 5.8% to 6.1% not good enough and a sober awakening.

    It says 6.0 to 6.1%?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    WhomadeGod wrote: »
    Correct it appears on the official CNN site:)

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/07/politics/biden-april-jobs-report/index.html

    Biden urges passage of economic proposals in wake of dismal jobs report

    Fair enough, some copy editor got a bit trigger happy there because the author doesn’t call it dismal or use dismal in the article.

    Unemployment claims are down, hourly pay is up, and the average work week is up 0.1 hours.

    So some good news some bad news, more of a mixed bag than dismal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    The Dow Jones hit a new record high today at 34,777pts, which as we've been hearing for at least 4 years now, means the US president is doing great on the economy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    The Dow Jones hit a new record high today at 34,777pts, which as we've been hearing for at least 4 years now, means the US president is doing great on the economy.

    Worlds greatest economy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,971 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    WhomadeGod wrote:
    I understand what you are saying but how below the projection is worrying all the same.

    To have a projection of 1 million new jobs but only end up with 266,000 new jobs And unemployment increasing from 6.0 to 6.1% not good enough and a sober awakening.
    Get everybody vaccinated and then the jobs will appear.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    WhomadeGod wrote: »
    Forgive me I edited my post thankyou.

    You are more than welcome to check the other figures I shared links to cnn business and cnn official.

    Have a read and I'd love to hear your opinion on the dismal job performance.

    It’s not dismal. More jobs were created.

    Dismal would be less jobs.

    Why does what CNN call it matter so much to you ?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,188 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Get everybody vaccinated and then the jobs will appear.

    Or cut your state citizens off from federal unemployment assistance, as South Carolina did yesterday. This State has no use for you if you aren't earning a taxable income.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    WhomadeGod wrote: »
    Forgive me I edited my post thankyou.

    You are more than welcome to check the other figures I shared links to cnn business and cnn official.

    Have a read and I'd love to hear your opinion on the dismal job performance.

    How’s the job performance since he’s been elected?
    I would think good.
    Would think with vaccination and places opening up it would be improving?
    Same as here.
    The next few months will tell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,188 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The Arizona Secretary of State has been issued a security detail now that Trump cultists have been issuing her death threats, possibly over a tweet where she called the Cyber Ninja 'audit' a 'fraudit.'

    How long until we see yet another Trump terror attack?


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    WhomadeGod wrote: »
    Unemployment rose from 6% to 6.1% less Jobs

    I can assure you Brian CNN means very little to me.


    266k jobs were created. There were more jobs than the previous month.

    More people came into the labour market; so the unemployment rate went up.

    That’s basics maths.

    If CNN mean so little to you l, why is it so important that you emphasised their wording?

    Who are you a rereg of?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭poisonated


    If I were living in America, I’d be delighted with the job Biden is going!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    WhomadeGod wrote: »
    Since you all dislike CNN so much which is interesting since its a thread full of Democrats here's the story from reuters.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/white-house-jobs-report-shows-long-way-go-economic-recovery-2021-05-07/


    Tough U.S. jobs report shows Biden’s rocky road to full economic recovery



    U.S. job growth unexpectedly slowed last month, likely restrained by shortages of workers and raw materials. Nonfarm payrolls increased by only 266,000 jobs, well below the nearly 1 million jobs economists expected

    I neither like nor dislike CNN. I rarely watch it. I am asking why you’re so fixated on the fact CNN said something.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    WhomadeGod wrote: »
    Since you all dislike CNN so much which is interesting since its a thread full of Democrats here's the story from reuters.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/white-house-jobs-report-shows-long-way-go-economic-recovery-2021-05-07/


    Tough U.S. jobs report shows Biden’s rocky road to full economic recovery



    U.S. job growth unexpectedly slowed last month, likely restrained by shortages of workers and raw materials. Nonfarm payrolls increased by only 266,000 jobs, well below the nearly 1 million jobs economists expected

    At almost 75% lower than predicted and reported as "dismal" by CNN team Biden must go on the offensive to turn things around. I would expect more supports to be pushed through and we might even see another executive order or two .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Get everybody vaccinated and then the jobs will appear.

    That's not it. It is actually the case that for the first time ever in America, for a good segment of the workforce, it pays more not to work. For example, an uber where I live is nigh on impossible to get these days, and I live in Vegas ffs. Restaurants can't get wait staff, etc. They are calling out for workers, the jobs are there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,971 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ceadaoin. wrote:
    That's not it. It is actually the case that for the first time ever in America, for a good segment of the workforce, it pays more not to work. For example, an uber where I live is nigh on impossible to get these days, and I live in Vegas ffs. Restaurants can't get wait staff, etc.
    Well I'd say it's down to people wanting to stay safe.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well I'd say it's down to people wanting to stay safe.

    Anyone over the age of 16 can get a vaccine here. It's not down to that.


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Anyone over the age of 16 can get a vaccine here. It's not down to that.

    Highlighted the important word. Less than half of people over 16 in Vegas have received one vaccination and less than 30% are fully vaccinated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Highlighted the important word.

    Ok so they should be forced to get one? Anyone who wants a vaccine can get one. What more do you want?


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Ok so they should be forced to get one? Anyone who wants a vaccine can get one. What more do you want?

    No they should not. But it explains why people are not talking jobs at Uber etc. when most of the city is not vaccinated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    No they should not. But it explains why people are not talking jobs at Uber etc. when most of the city is not vaccinated.

    No, they can make more, or the same,money not working. Its a fact. I know people who say as much, its nothing to do with vaccinations.


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    No, they can make more, or the same,money not working. Its a fact. I know people who say as much, its nothing to do with vaccinations.

    No, what I say is a fact. Here is my source.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2021-04-21/vegas-area-lawmakers-link-capacity-to-covid-19-vaccine-rates

    What is your source for your "fact"?


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Anyone over the age of 16 can get a vaccine here. It's not down to that.

    That's only since around the 20th of April, you're still looking at about 4 weeks or so for proper protections from it....(assuming both doses are received) We're at the start of May... It would be strange to expect things to so rapidly for jobs that are very people oriented after a globally devastating pandemic. It's not anything to do with making more by not working, it's weariness and fear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.



    My source is I live in Vegas. Restaurants, bars etc are packed nightly. I know people who aren't driving uber because they make more on unemployment. I know it's hard to get an uber because of the aforementioned fact.

    Nevada has 28% fully vaccinated and 46% partially vaccinated. Life has returned to normal regardless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,866 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    My source is I live in Vegas. Restaurants, bars etc are packed nightly. I know people who aren't driving uber because they make more on unemployment. I know it's hard to get an uber because of the aforementioned fact.

    Nevada has 28% fully vaccinated and 46% partially vaccinated. Life has returned to normal regardless.
    Maybe if Uber paid more, they'd have less trouble staffing? Supply and demand.

    Or, wait till the stimulus stops and they'll return, amiright?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    That's only since around the 20th of April, you're still looking at about 4 weeks or so for proper protections from it....(assuming both doses are received) We're at the start of May... It would be strange to expect things to so rapidly for jobs that are very people oriented after a globally devastating pandemic. It's not anything to do with making more by not working, it's weariness and fear.

    Ok. We've been practically fully open since last May. A year. Restaurants, casinos, all open since then.


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    My source is I live in Vegas. Restaurants, bars etc are packed nightly. I know people who aren't driving uber because they make more on unemployment. I know it's hard to get an uber because of the aforementioned fact.

    Nevada has 28% fully vaccinated and 46% partially vaccinated. Life has returned to normal regardless.

    I do not see a source. All I see is the ramblings of someone who wants to be right but cannot find evidence of that being the case.

    You can quickly look up the average salary of an Uber driver in Vegas. You can quickly look up what unemployment benefit is in Vegas. Compare the two numbers and tell us what you find.
    I have already done this. You are wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Maybe if Uber paid more, they'd have less trouble staffing? Supply and demand.

    Or, wait till the stimulus stops and they'll return, amiright?

    Look I agree with you, uber should pay more. I'm just saying from my experience it's the case that people make more not working, on uber at least.


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Ok. We've been practically fully open since last May. A year. Restaurants, casinos, all open since then.

    And? Vaccinations only started at the start of this year, for a large portion of the period Vegas was open for, the US was experiencing one of the worst rates of covid deaths in the globe. Vaccinations only became available for all groups over sixteen recently. So yep, I can completely understand why people in service level roles etc are apprehensive.

    The fact that businesses were open for the last year would tend to reinforce plenty of people's feelings that worker safety is not a priority tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I do not see a source. All I see is the ramblings of someone who wants to be right but cannot find evidence of that being the case.

    You can quickly look up the average salary of an Uber driver in Vegas. You can quickly look up what unemployment benefit is in Vegas. Compare the two numbers and tell us what you find.
    I have already done this. You are wrong.

    Hey, I don't think it's fair to say I'm "rambling" . The unemployment system here is completely broken. There are still people who haven't received a dime who were completely entitled to it. And there are people who benefit from not working, such as some uber drivers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Look I agree with you, uber should pay more. I'm just saying from my experience it's the case that people make more not working, on uber at least.

    But is it true?

    Your experience. Can you earn more not working? Your friends and family? Or is it second hand or assuming?

    It could be a combination. Support is enough to cover the basics and returning to work isn't worth the risk until far more people are vaccinated.

    The real question to ask is why, if vaccines are so available, are people not getting them?

    Seems massively selfish to expect people to return to work so one can enjoy themselves while refusing to do something to protect that person.


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Hey, I don't think it's fair to say I'm "rambling" . The unemployment system here was completely broken. There are still people who haven't received a dime who were completely entitled to it. And there are people who benefit from not working, such as some uber drivers.

    I still don't see any sources. Would you like me to demonstrate how you are objectively wrong by providing the sources for you, or would you prefer to do it yourself?
    "My friends say that..." is not a source.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Vaccinations only became available for all groups over sixteen recently. So yep, I can completely understand why people in service level roles etc are apprehensive.
    .

    Hospitality/casino/hotel workers were prioritized for vaccines before it was open for all


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Hospitality/casino/hotel workers were prioritized for vaccines before it was open for all

    Were Uber drivers? No? So that point is redundant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Were Uber drivers? No? So that point is redundant.

    I was replying to the person who mentioned hospitality workers, so no its not redundant


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I was replying to the person who mentioned hospitality workers, so no its not redundant

    And you've given up replying to me I assume? Because you're wrong?

    1) What does an unemployed person currently receive in Las Vegas?

    2) What is the average income of an Uber driver in Las Vegas?

    This will take less than 30 seconds for you to find the answers to so I assume you've done that. What did you find?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I was replying to the person who mentioned hospitality workers, so no its not redundant

    So in the middle of a pandemic you think a problem is that low income people are not going back to jobs to service better off people many of whom refuse to take the vaccination, and probably masks and sanitisation.

    As long as those people refuse to join the nation and the world in solving this problem by putting their own beliefs and incorrect information ahead of the needs of their fellow citizens, I think it only right that they continue to subsidise those people they would put at risk.

    What level of subsidy are I Uber drivers getting btw?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    So in the middle of a pandemic you think a problem is that low income people are not going back to jobs to service better off people many of whom refuse to take the vaccination, and probably masks and sanitisation.

    Didn't say its a problem. Just stating facts . And no its not an issue that hotel/ casino workers aren't going back, as much as you'd like to make it one. People want to work for the most part, and the majority of hospitality workers are vaccinated. Your point is?


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Didn't say its a problem. Just stating facts . And no its nots an issue that hotel/ casino workers aren't going back, as much as you'd like to make it one.

    The fact that you are ignoring questions means that you are fully aware that you are not stating facts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    many of whom refuse to take the vaccination, and probably masks and sanitisation.

    Any evidence? Sounds like baseless speculation used as an excuse to push your personal economic beliefs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    EddieN75 wrote: »
    Any evidence? Sounds like baseless speculation used as an excuse to push your personal economic beliefs.

    I can attest that masks are strictly enforced everywhere. Hand sanitizing stations all over the place. Some even have actual hand washing facilities which I think should stay tbh. People were ****ing delighted to get back to work. It's been a year now of being open, we're good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I can attest that masks are strictly enforced everywhere. Hand sanitizing stations all over the place. Some even have actual hand washing facilities which I think should stay tbh. People were ****ing delighted to get back to work. It's been a year now of being open, we're good.

    Of course. People are well versed in the correct procedures now. Everyone wants to get back outside and back to work. We all know what we need to do. The fear is over, life has restarted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    EddieN75 wrote: »
    Of course. People are well versed in the correct procedures now. Everyone wants to get back outside and back to work. We all know what we need to do. The fear is over, life has restarted

    It restarted long ago here. I'll never forget driving down an empty las vegas strip. I'll never forget people queuing up for food. I'll never forget my friends being scared for their future. Not sure why some people on here are intent on pushing that fear. It's over, no matter if everyone is vaccinated, deal with it.


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It restarted long ago here. I'll never forget driving down an empty las vegas strip. I'll never forget people queuing up for food. I'll never forget my friends being scared for their future. Not sure why some people on here are intent on pushing that fear. It's over, deal with it.

    It's not over. Two thirds of your city is not fully vaccinated. You can continue to ignore facts if you wish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    It's not over. Two thirds of your city is not fully vaccinated. You can continue to ignore facts if you wish.

    It's over. You do you.

    To add. Our hospitals were never in danger of being overwhelmed. And they are unlikely to be now. So what should we be doing exactly?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It restarted long ago here. I'll never forget driving down an empty las vegas strip. I'll never forget people queuing up for food. I'll never forget my friends being scared for their future. Not sure why some people on here are intent on pushing that fear. It's over, no matter if everyone is vaccinated, deal with it.



    You are in Las Vegas. You can look out your window and go for a drive to see what is happening. First hand, your own eyes!
    The response you get from some here will be no you are wrong!
    From people thousands of kilometres away!

    It's nonsensical


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It's over. You do you.

    So you're now just cherry picking my comments to reply to? What's the point of anyone replying to you if you're just going to ignore the comments and questions that show that you're objectively wrong?

    I'm just glad that most people in Las Vegas don't have an "It's over. You do you." attitude like you do, otherwise you would have another wave.


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    EddieN75 wrote: »
    You are in Las Vegas. You can look out your window and go for a drive to see what is happening. First hand, your own eyes!
    The response you get from some here will be no you are wrong!
    From people thousands of kilometres away!

    It's nonsensical

    So you're saying that the pandemic is over in Las Vegas?


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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    To add. Our hospitals were never in danger of being overwhelmed. And they are unlikely to be now. So what should we be doing exactly?

    Jesus Christ. I'm starting to understand how there are still people who don't know how to wear masks properly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Jesus Christ. I'm starting to understand how there are still people who don't know how to wear masks properly.

    Ok. As I said, you do you. In the meantime, people here are living their lives, with masks when required.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Ok. As I said, you do you. In the meantime, people here are living their lives, with masks when required.

    Head on out for a steak and a gamble. Go enjoy yourself. Bring the mask and sanitise the hands.


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