Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

ceadaoin.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Ok. As I said, you do you. In the meantime, people here are living their lives, with masks when required.

Yes, and you keep your fingers in your ears and continue to ignore my posts and questions where I've shown you to be wrong.

You are fully aware that you are wrong and are not man enough to say it on the internet. That's fine, I get it. No worries.

EddieN75

EddieN75 wrote: »

Head on out for a steak and a gamble. Go enjoy yourself. Bring the mask and sanitise the hands.

You are aware that you can instead answer the questions that he has chosen to ignore if you're so confident that he is right? Or would you prefer blissful ignorance as well?

Professor Moriarty

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Ok. As I said, you do you. In the meantime, people here are living their lives, with masks when required.

7 day new cases average in Las Vegas: 306
7 day new cases average in Ireland: 407
Percentage of population with one dose of vaccine in Nevada: 30%. With two: 41%
Percentage of population with one dose of vaccine in Ireland: 25%. With two: 35%
Population of Las Vegas: 634,000
Population of Ireland: 4,900,000

You can draw your own conclusions.

ceadaoin.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

7 day new cases average in Las Vegas: 306
7 day new cases average in Ireland: 407
Percentage of population with one dose of vaccine in Nevada: 30%. With two: 41%
Percentage of population with one dose of vaccine in Ireland: 25%. With two: 35%
Population of Las Vegas: 634,000
Population of Ireland: 4,900,000

You can draw your own conclusions.

Yeah I can, we are living life normally. We weren't overwhelmed. Wasn't that the point?

Also, your vaccination stats are for the state of Nevada, population 3 million, not just Vegas, so why the comparison?

duploelabs

I'm yet to see any verification that posters are where they say they are

ceadaoin.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yeah I can, we are living life normally. We weren't overwhelmed. Wasn't that the point?

You are not living life normally. Because people are not taking low paying jobs that involve close contact. Because the pandemic is not over.

Leroy42

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yeah I can, we are living life normally. We weren't overwhelmed. Wasn't that the point?

Also, your vaccination stats are for the state of Nevada, population 3 million, not just Vegas, so why the comparison?

What is your point. You were stating that uber drivers etc won't go back to work because they earn more not working.

You have provided no evidence of this.

It was pointed out that a large portion of the population is still not vaccinated, so why should workers go back until the problem is solved.

Like asking people to back into a burning building.

We know that the vaccination rate is slowing in the US, it is becoming harder to get people vaccinated. We also know there is a large amount of people that refuse to accept that Covid is a problem - largely because of Trump but not exclusively.

I just find it strange that you have a go at Uber drivers for not going back to work yet have nothing to say for those millions not getting vaccinated which is delaying the entire process.

extra gravy

duploelabs wrote: »

I'm yet to see any verification that posters are where they say they are

Remember that guy last year that was living in Florida one week and North Dakota the next :pac:

ceadaoin.

extra gravy wrote: »

Remember that guy last year that was living in Florida one week and North Dakota the next :pac:

Yeah you can check my posts. I'm consistent, been here (in US) for 7 years. I guess I could have made this boards account 10 years ago, in a different country, in anticipation of this scenario

Leroy42

Leroy42 wrote: »

What is your point. You were stating that uber drivers etc won't go back

He believes that Uber drives won't go back to work, not because of the pandemic, but because they would make more money if they didn't. He now knows that this is not true. So he's writing many posts about other things to mask that his opinion is wrong.

ceadaoin.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He believes that Uber drives won't go back to work, not because of the pandemic, but because they would make more money if they didn't. He now knows that this is not true. So he's writing many posts about other things to mask that his opinion is wrong.

She. But yeah I don't "believe" that, I know its true.its impossible to get an uber these days. I'm sure eventually they will go back to work. I'm not trying to mask anything. Just giving my opinion based on what I'm seeing here.

ceadaoin.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

She. But yeah I don't "believe" that, I know its true. I'm sure eventually they will go back to work. I'm not trying to mask anything. Just giving my opinion.

Those two are not the same thing.

I asked you two questions that would take you 30 seconds to find the answers to. It would prove that you are right. You either did that 30 seconds of research and didn't like what you saw, or didn't do it because you prefer blissful ignorance.

Like I said, I have looked up the answers myself but I'm saving you the embarrassment by giving you the chance to prove that you are right or wrong using actual facts.

The thing that you "know" is right is wrong. And hearsay does not prove otherwise.

extra gravy

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yeah you can check my posts. I'm consistent, been here (in US) for 7 years. I guess I could have made this boards account 10 years ago, in a different country, in anticipation of this scenario

Didn't say anything about you. That was just a funny example of a poster saying they lived somewhere when they didn't.

ceadaoin.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Those two are not the same thing.

I asked you two questions that would take you 30 seconds to find the answers to. It would prove that you are right. You either did that 30 seconds of research and didn't like what you saw, or didn't do it because you prefer blissful ignorance.

Like I said, I have looked up the answers myself but I'm saving you the embarrassment by giving you the chance prove that you are right or wrong using actual facts.

The thing that you "know" is right is wrong. And hearsay does not prove otherwise.

It's a known fact here that drivers aren't choosing to drive right now because many are getting unemployment that pays better. For example

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/news-columns/road-warrior/uber-lyft-shortages-frustrating-las-vegas-visitors-2322130/


https://www.ktnv.com/news/coronavirus/expect-longer-waits-for-a-lyft-or-uber


Do you know better? Are you even in the US? didn't even post in this thread until tonight and I'm sorry tbh. I'll say it again, you do you.

ceadaoin.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's a known fact here that drivers aren't choosing to drive right now because many are getting unemployment that pays better. For example

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/news-columns/road-warrior/uber-lyft-shortages-frustrating-las-vegas-visitors-2322130/

1) "There is no concrete evidence available" does not equate to "It's a known fact". You seem to use the word fact wrong a lot.

2) The article just suggests that some are doing it for that reason, not that most are. Like I said (and you refuse to acknowledge) unemployment benefit is less than the average income of an Uber driver. The article even says tourism numbers are still low. How are things back to normal then like you claim?

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Do you know better? Are you even in the US?

I have lived in the US recently, but it's not important. I am capable of looking up the actual facts and figures. I would not disregard your opinion of the pandemic in Ireland if you linked to the data of it.

Christy42

If a job doesn't pay better than unemployment then it obviously isn't important enough to be done. If it is important then it should be paying a decent bit better than unemployment. That seems pretty logical. Oh no people won't work for barely any money is terrible complaint for a first world country. US unemployment still isn't that much that a job not expecting workers to starve should be worried.


On Uber drivers there have been some well documented attacks on drivers which might be causing some to think they don't want to drive.

Igotadose

Reading the NY Times article about the lack of job growth, there are lots of possible reasons why jobs didn't tick upwards.

A few salient quotes:

"Workers say the real problems are poorly paid jobs with shifting schedules, few benefits and insufficient safety protocols. "The shortage of restaurant workers we are seeing across the country is not a labor-shortage problem; it's a wage-shortage problem," said Saru Jayaraman, president of One Fair Wage, a minimum-wage advocacy group."

"Less than half of adults are fully vaccinated, leaving most of the population at continuing risk of infection. Millions of Americans have said health concerns and child care responsibilities -- with many schools and day care centers not back to normal operations -- have kept them from taking a job. Millions of others are considered temporarily laid off and say they are not actively job hunting because they expect to be hired back once businesses reopen fully."

And, of course, the QGOP in its endless 'we hate America' program, has been using this as a stick to beat citizens: "
This week, the Republican governors of Montana, South Carolina and Arkansas said they planned to cut off federally funded pandemic unemployment assistance at the end of June.

That means jobless workers there will no longer get a $300-a-week federal supplement to state benefits, and the states will abandon a pandemic program that helps freelancers and others who don't qualify for state unemployment insurance. (Montana will, however, offer a $1,200 bonus for unemployed workers who take jobs.)

,,,

But federal regulations prohibit people from continuing to collect unemployment insurance if they turn down suitable work. And economists have found little evidence to indicate that unemployment benefits are discouraging people from working. "

Leroy42

WhomadeGod wrote: »

A small blow granted but the dismal jobs report has given the Republicans their first clean blow on the president.

If president Biden is going to be gun ho with all these trillion Dollar Bills and the economic recovery is below what is expected it's going to be a big problem for him. He has to get it right.

I do like it that you have taken the single report from CNN to be the cornerstone of your view of the jobs report. It will be interesting to see how you deal with other CNN reporting.

As to being an issue for Biden it depends on the reasons behind the slower than anticipated upswing. What were the assumptions underlying the forecast of 1m jobs?
What didn't Biden do that he should Have?
What should he do now?

Faugheen

"A lot of people are saying..."

Cody montana

WhomadeGod wrote: »

A small blow granted but the dismal jobs report has given the Republicans their first clean blow on the president.

If president Biden is going to be gun ho with all these trillion Dollar Bills and the economic recovery is below what is expected it's going to be a big problem for him. He has to get it right.

If the vaccines work, economy uptakes and jobs return, it will be irrelevant.
This is firmly Joes economy now?

Overheal

Yesterday a critical east coast pipeline supplying roughly 45% of refined commercial fuels incl. diesel, petrol, and jet fuel to the coast was shut down by a ransomware attack, believed to be done by a Russian hacking outlet. Emergency waivers have been issued to relax restrictions on transporting fuels by truck. The outage is expected to last days.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1391765154283638790?s=19

See what can happen when you're not a fear mongering, anti-democratic riot baiter?

Overheal

Interesting live footage of Venezuelan and Cuban migrants crossing the border live on Fox News and being taken in by CBP for asylum processing. One migrant man breaks down in tears presumably from the enormity of completing the trek.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-venezuelan-migrant-breaks-down-in-tears-during-live-fox-news-report-from-the-border/

Per the question why there and not a checkpoint I'd say the answer boils down to politics and the fear of uncertainty that a controlled checkpoint will turn them away, or hold them in Mexico. There has been no certainty about US immigration policy in years. Cuban Venezuelan and Haitian migrants are being accepted other migrants from El Salvador etc. are being turned away; its the former who crossed the border like this and orderly into custody but at an unmarked crossing.

Overheal

WhomadeGod wrote: »

How the threats to Biden’s presidency got real this week

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/05/08/how-the-threats-to-bidens-presidency-got-real-this-week-492776

Interesting article from politico for anyone on how things just got real for president Biden this week.

For such an esteemed writer, RYAN LIZZA sure does use a discrediting amount of bold. JESUS CHRIST :pac:

This isn't an article it's an amalgamation of blips. There's no coherent beginning middle end or thesis to this mess, it's a pages long stream of consciousness and confusing jumping off points to dozens of other articles. It's a news podcast in written word. If you could explain how you thought 'things got real for Biden' yourself that would be a more honest starting point for a discussion. So, how did they get real? What are the 'things' and how were they not 'real' before this week?

ohnonotgmail

WhomadeGod wrote: »

How the threats to Biden’s presidency got real this week

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/05/08/how-the-threats-to-bidens-presidency-got-real-this-week-492776

Interesting article from politico for anyone on how things just got real for president Biden this week.

what is you opinion?

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what is you opinion?

Opinion? What is that? Is that the same thing as sifting through hundreds of positive articles about Biden and ignoring them all until I find one that's somewhat negative?

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

Opinion? What is that? Is that the same thing as sifting through hundreds of positive articles about Biden and ignoring them all until I find one that's somewhat negative?

Hard to have an opinion on something you haven't read.

If they did, they'd have seen that it was more a run down of various topics with links to them rather than an outright article itself and the poster would have seen the bit about Trump still asking people several times a day if there is any news from the count in Arizona and given that that makes him look sad and delusional, it wouldn't be the best thing to do, to let people know about that.

Or the link to a video of Ted Cruz telling people he led the fight against Biden in the senate on Jan 6th isn't a great look for Republicans, or it shouldn't be.
Or the comparison of what MTG and (accused of paying for sex with a minor) Matt Gaetz are up to being like something that was scripted in the WWE in the 1980's.

Or elsewhere the GOP continuing their cancel culture tour going after more people who voted to impeach Trump.

salmocab

I wasted a few minutes of my life, I really should have seen the clue to the ridiculousness of it when I read just got real.

Cody montana

The Biden administration will reinstate anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people, especially transgender people, that had been narrowed under the Trump administration, Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra confirmed Monday.


What a monster.

Faugheen

Its incredible really. Moreso because you forget Trump did most of this stuff because Obama lived rent free in his head rather than actually believing it was the right thing to do.

briany

Faugheen wrote: »

Its incredible really. Moreso because you forget Trump did most of this stuff because Obama lived rent free in his head rather than actually believing it was the right thing to do.

I never understood why Trump hated Obama so much to begin with. He seemed to hate Obama even before that WH dinner.

Anyway, it's nice to get back to a US president who just gets on with his job and doesn't constantly harp on about his predecessor.

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

Literally every other year, and in some cases yearly with some states having off-beat elections.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

nothing roughly about it. There are federal elections at least every 2 years. there are sometimes federal election on off-years as well when special elections required due a death or resignation.

Manic Moran wrote: »

We had city elections on Saturday. Mayor, city council, and a couple of propositions.

Sucks to be youse lads! Any reason they are not all held in the same year? Too much administration, too complex? Seems like death by politics over there.

Overheal wrote: »

I view this as an utter embarrassment to the United States of America.*

https://twitter.com/AriBerman/status/1389234127954751488?s=20



He knowingly committed criminal acts to undermine the integrity of our elections,

https://www.yahoo.com/news/her-ballot-didnt-count-she-142949302.html



She wasn't attempting to do anything wrong, and the point of a provisional ballot is that if you can't prove your eligibility to vote on election day, you usually have in most cases a week to get your provisional ballot certified or its rejected. That's it, it's not the intent of the law (or even apparently of the law written in TX) that failure to do so is tantamount to attempted fraudulent voting. Yet somehow this person was convicted of doing so. Presumably forewent a trial for cost and there being no dispute of the facts involved, didn't expect a judge to seemingly legislate from the bench at her.

(*also, the Digiorno Crossaint Pizza. What the f*ck. Our culture is meme'ing itself)

Well one was a convicted felon and the other not, so not really a fair comparison. Though as an aside not allowing someone who has a conviction and has been released from prison a vote is a disgrace in my humble.

Brian?

briany wrote: »

I never understood why Trump hated Obama so much to begin with. He seemed to hate Obama even before that WH dinner.

Anyway, it's nice to get back to a US president who just gets on with his job and doesn't constantly harp on about his predecessor.

Because he was all the things Trump wasn't: Intelligent, charismatic, well educated, urbane, faithful to his wife, self made.

Trump couldn't stand Obama because he wasn't a classless oaf like himself.

astrofool

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Despite your opinions on both Obama and Trump they were fantastic communicators.

An ability the current president sadly doesn't posses.

Trump is an awful communicator (bleach anyone?) great showman, there's a big difference, no one wants P.T. Barnum running the country.

Biden is letting his actions do the talking at the moment and has been doing rather excellent.

Manic Moran

I don't know if I'll say he's been doing "rather excellent", but at least he makes standard. He just looks great compared to his predecessor.
It's still a bit early in his tenure to see if he's outstanding. I don't think he's hit any particularly difficult or unanticipated issues yet.

Tony EH

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Despite your opinions on both Obama and Trump they were fantastic communicators.

An ability the current president sadly doesn't posses.

I'm a fan of neither past President and haven't made up my mind either way about the current bloke.

But Trump was an appalling communicator by any yardstick.

Tell me how

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Despite your opinions on both Obama and Trump they were fantastic communicators.

An ability the current president sadly doesn't posses.

Anyone who thinks Trump was a good communicator, needs their head examined.



Like seriously.

extra gravy

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Obama and Trump they were fantastic communicators.

Cody montana

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Despite your opinions on both Obama and Trump they were fantastic communicators.

An ability the current president sadly doesn't posses.

Trump was dreadful.
Whiney, confusing, obnoxious and rude.

Biden outsmarted trump in the debates.

Leroy42

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Despite your opinions on both Obama and Trump they were fantastic communicators.

An ability the current president sadly doesn't posses.

What is your judgement basis for a good communicator and how does Obama and Trump compare to Biden on that scale?

Maybe limit your answer to the top three properties you used so we can get a taste of it?

salmocab

I was thinking about the GOP pushing for Liz Cheney to be removed from her position, it strikes me that removing someone for not agreeing with you is exactly what they also claim cancel culture is. I realise that self awareness isn’t a big thing anymore but surely their supporters are capable of joining the dots.

duploelabs

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Despite your opinions on both Obama and Trump they were fantastic communicators.

An ability the current president sadly doesn't posses.

Indeed such a wordsmith

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

Rows Grower

duploelabs wrote: »

Indeed such a wordsmith

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

Someone needs to make a book of his drivel now that it's safe to enjoy the lunacy.

Dr. Bre

Be interesting to see Biden administration reaction to Israeli Palestinian violence. It would take a brave (and probably stupid) president to criticise Israel . The Israeli vote is huge in the States !

Celticfire

Rows Grower wrote: »

Someone needs to make a book of his drivel now that it's safe to enjoy the lunacy.

Joe Biden: “We cannot let this, we’ve never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to the pandemic of 17, all the way around, 16, we have never, never let our democracy sakes second fiddle, way they, we can both have a democracy and … correct the public health.”

I guess Joe could write the introduction, set the stage if you will.

ohnonotgmail

Celticfire wrote: »

Joe Biden: “We cannot let this, we’ve never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to the pandemic of 17, all the way around, 16, we have never, never let our democracy sakes second fiddle, way they, we can both have a democracy and … correct the public health.”

I guess Joe could write the introduction, set the stage if you will.

do you have a source for that quote?

The Raging Bile Duct

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

do you have a source for that quote?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-pandemic-statement/

Context given below:

Biden was referring to the early 20th century influenza outbreak commonly known as the “Spanish flu,” and (like President Donald Trump consistently does) he misstated that it began in “’17” (i.e., 1917) rather than 1918. Then he interrupted his answer a few words later to correct himself, but his correction was also erroneous, placing the outbreak a year earlier (in 1916) rather than a year later (in 1918).

Biden also slurred the word “take” such that it sounded like “sakes,” and he quickly said the words “way they” after “second fiddle,” as if he were going to pursue a different line of expression before stating that, “We can both have a democracy, and elections, and at the same time protect the public health.”

Professor Moriarty

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-pandemic-statement/

Context given below:

I listened to that. Taken in context, it is a nothingburger. It's why it is quoted out of context.

ohnonotgmail

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-pandemic-statement/

Context given below:

amazing the difference that context makes.

Professor Moriarty

WhomadeGod wrote: »

I too look forward to Bidens reaction.

A tough week after his own economy struggling to recover with the poor jobs performance and now escalated violence in isreal and Palestine.

The heat is turning up on this administration.

Who would like to see replace him?