Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Leroy42

Is it the fact they are retired Generals or the number being 120 that you opt to give this credibility?

Have you checked up on who these 120 actually are? What their history is and what their qualifications are to give them any ability to deem an election as fraudulent or not? Not sure how being a General qualifies one for making a judgment on election security.

eagle eye

namloc1980 wrote:

The way the system is set up in the US means it's virtually impossible for a third party of sufficient size to win seats in Congress. Plurality first past the post elections means there is no room for 3rd party candidates, especially given the massive resources the two main parties have.

Well obviously they'd need money behind them and some big names to have any chance but the Democrats can't keep going as they are because there will be a split in the party at some stage and that would be awful for the US as the Republicans would be the big winners if that happens.

Overheal

eagle eye wrote: »

Well obviously they'd need money behind them and some big names to have any chance but the Democrats can't keep going as they are because there will be a split in the party at some stage and that would be awful for the US as the Republicans would be the big winners if that happens.

The only party discussing splitting is the Republicans:

https://www.acallforamericanrenewal.com/

The letter, teased earlier this week, dropped today and is signed by over 100 prominent conservatives:

Though most are retired and haven't announced plans to run for office, notable names include former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman and former Transportation Secretary under George W. Bush, Mary Peters. Former congressional representatives include Barbara Comstock of Virginia, Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, Reid Ribble of Wisconsin and Mickey Edwards of Oklahoma. Former Trump press secretary Anthony Scaramucci and official Olivia Troye also signed the statement.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/100-republicans-sign-letter-threatening-form-party/story?id=77665734


It follows,

PREAMBLE
These United States, born of noble convictions and aspiring to high purpose, have been an exemplar of self-government to humankind. Thus, when in our democratic republic, forces of conspiracy, division, and despotism arise, it is the patriotic duty of citizens to act collectively in defense of liberty and justice. We, therefore, declare our intent to catalyze an American renewal, and to either reimagine a party dedicated to our founding ideals or else hasten the creation of such an alternative.

We call for a rebirth of the American cause and do so in partnership and loyal competition with others committed to the preservation of our Union. With abiding belief in the value and potential of every soul and with goodwill for all, we hereby dedicate ourselves to these principles and make common cause in the flourishing of this great nation and its diverse states, communities, and citizens.

PRINCIPLES
1. Democracy
We seek the preservation and betterment of our democratic republic and the endurance of our self-government, free from interference and defended against all enemies, foreign and domestic. We support reforms that make our system more accessible, transparent, and competitive, oppose the disenfranchisement of voters, and reject populism and illiberalism, whether of the right or the left.

2. Founding Ideals
We reaffirm the self-evident truth that all persons are created equal and free, having the same inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that it is the prerogative of all to make personal decisions in accordance with their free will. We, therefore, condemn all forms of bigotry such as racism, religious intolerance, sexism, and persecution based on sexual orientation.

3. Constitutional Order
We uphold the Constitution as the inviolable and collective contract protecting liberty and justice for all, and honor the essential separation and balance it establishes among coequal branches of the federal government and the states.

4. Truth
We recognize truth and reason as essential to a free and just society, and expect our leaders, citizens, and press to seek and promote them. We oppose the employment of fear-mongering, conspiracism, and falsehoods and instead support evidence-based policymaking and honest discourse.

5. Rule of Law
We maintain that the impartial rule of law is essential to a free and just society to protect the rights and property of all people. No one is above the law, and our criminal justice system must treat everyone equally without discrimination based on race, status or other unrelated factors.

6. Ethical Government
We demand that public officials and aspiring leaders – regardless of party – act with integrity and honor, the absence of which is a harbinger for abuses of power that threaten the republic.

7. Pluralism
We are committed to a pluralistic society defined by its ideals and welcoming to all peoples rightfully seeking safety, opportunity, and a better life by becoming contributing members of our diverse nation. We reject the notion that America should be characterized by the races, birthplaces, religious affiliations, or partisan identities of its citizens.

8. Civic Responsibility
We believe that all Americans share civic responsibility, which is essential for our self-government and national success. Thriving communities are built by faithfully engaged citizens working to overcome differences with mutual respect and the bonds of civil affection. The solutions to many of America’s greatest challenges can only be found in our diverse communities.

9. Opportunity
We recognize open, market-based economies as consistent with our natural liberty and the optimal means of ensuring economic mobility and the allocation of scarce resources. We support sensible and limited regulation, including to ensure equal opportunity, and affirm government’s vital role in assisting vulnerable citizens, while encouraging self-reliance and ingenuity without the impediments of cronyism and corruption.

10. Free Speech
We reaffirm the Constitution's guarantee of free speech and freedom of the press as essential to accountable government and the American way of life. We sustain the rights of individuals and private entities to exercise this freedom, even to express unpopular views, and condemn efforts to erode press freedom and public support for its vital role.

11. Conservation
We consider vital our shared stewardship of America’s resources – natural, environmental, and financial. We accept responsibility to conserve for ourselves and future generations these public assets, and to protect them from both natural and man-made harms.

12. Common Defense & Welfare
We uphold that government is instituted by the people to secure those essential, collective goods that individuals cannot attain for themselves, particularly providing for the common defense and promoting the general welfare. We, therefore, support policies that further public safety, health, and defense as required for enduring national sovereignty and prosperity.

13. Leadership
Having thrived in the abundance of a choice land, we believe that these United States must work in conjunction with friends and allies to advance worthy interests abroad and to promote freedom by example and with the judicious application of power.

FOUNDING SIGNATORIES
Andrew Sagor
Anthony Scaramucci
Arne Carlson
Barbara Comstock
Bill Weld
Bob Inglis
Bob Worsley
Bob Yudin
Bobbie Kilberg
Bruce Maloch
Bryan Jones
C.J. Diegel
Chad Mayes
Charles Djou
Charles Jeter
Charles Work
Charlie Dent
Chip Felkel
Chris Vance
Christine Todd Whitman
Christopher Bayley
Christopher Gagin
Claudine Schneider
Cole Wist
Connie Morella
Daniel Barkhuff
David Almacy
David Meeks
David Durenberger
David Billings
Davy Carter
Denver Riggleman
Dick Zimmer
Dov Zakheim
Edward Tobin III
Eileen Padberg
Eli Lehrer
Eliot Cohen
Elizabeth Neumann
Emil Frankel
Evan McMullin
Gabriel Schoenfeld
Gene Kussart
George Conway
Glenn Schatz
Gregory Wilson
H. Bryan Cunningham
Hannah Kummer
Heath Mayo
Jack Weinstein
Jacob Perry
James Kunder
James Leach
James Peppe
Jeff Timmer
Jeffrey Shane
Jennifer Horn
Jerid Miller
Jim Hendren
Jim Glassman
Jim Greenwood
Jim Kolbe
Joe Hunter
Joe Walsh
Joel Brenner
Joel Searby
John Bellinger
John Fluharty
John Kingston
John LeBoutillier
John Mitnick
John Negroponte
Jonathan Rose
Josh Venable
Julie Wright
Justin Kurth
Karen Johnson
Karen Kirksey
Kathy Varga
Kristopher Purcell
Laura Holmes Jost
Lucy Caldwell
Lynn Schmidt
Marilee Cunningham
Mark Weatherford
Mark Sanford
Marty Linksy
Mary Peters
Matt Walton
Matthew Sarelson
Max Boot
Michael Belitzky
Michael Hayden
Michael Burchstead
Michael Chertoff
Michael Steele
Michelle Udall
Mickey Edwards
Mike Bober
Mike Madrid
Mike Murphy
Miles Taylor
Mindy Finn
Molly McKew
Mona Charen
Murray Dickman
Nate Bell
Neal Simon
Olivia Troye
Paul Rosenzweig
Paul Jost
Paul Mitchell
Pete McCloskey
Peter Smith
R.J. Lyman
Rachel Hoff
Randy Brockway
Reed Howard
Reid Ribble
Richard Painter
Rick Lazio
Rina Shah
Robert Orr
Robert Patricelli
Robert Shanks
Rod Chandler
Sam Reid
Scott Rigell
Shellie Bressler
Shermichael Singleton
Sophia Nelson
Soren Dayton
Stanley Twardy, Jr.
Steve Bartlett
Steve Carey
Stuart Gerson
Susan Del Percio
T. Greg Doucette
Tara Setmayer
Tatyana Bolton
Ted Roosevelt
Thomas Hill
Thomas Petri
Tim Boyle
Tom Campbell
Tom Coleman
Tom Ridge
Trevor Potter
Valerie Boyd
Wayne Gilchrest
William Kilberg
William O'Reilly

WHO ARE WE?
We are concerned citizens—a group of national, state, and local leaders—calling for American renewal. The country is tired of division and political extremism. It’s time to restore a “common-sense coalition” in our political system, and we are committed to making that a reality.


WHAT'S THE CALL?
A Call for American Renewal is a rallying cry for pragmatists everywhere. Our nation’s future should not be dictated by a single person but by principles that bind us together. That’s why we believe in pushing for the Republican Party to rededicate itself to founding ideals—or else hasten the creation of an alternative.


WHAT'S NEXT?
We cannot stay quiet in the face of rising political extremism. We must stand up and defend our republic. Sign up for updates about how we’re taking action, and join us for our upcoming nationwide town hall on renewing America. Details to follow.

Their platform as stated seems patently moderate.

Tell me how

eagle eye wrote: »

Well obviously they'd need money behind them and some big names to have any chance but the Democrats can't keep going as they are because there will be a split in the party at some stage and that would be awful for the US as the Republicans would be the big winners if that happens.

Are you seriously looking past everything going on with Republicans right now to predict what might happen in a world where the Republicans are some sort of cohesive structure?

Republican party is the one in the limelight right now, and discussion about the Democrat party potentially splitting up is completely irrelevant until we see what happens there.

eagle eye

Tell me how wrote:

Are you seriously looking past everything going on with Republicans right now to predict what might happen in a world where the Republicans are some sort of cohesive structure?

No I'm not looking past that and I know what will happen and that's Trump being kicked to the curb. There'll be no spilt.

Tell me how wrote:

Republican party is the one in the limelight right now, and discussion about the Democrat party potentially splitting up is completely irrelevant until we see what happens there.

I'm concerned about the Democrats, I don't care about the Republicans.
There is a growIng socialist side to the Democrats and it's clear that a
split will happen down the road if that side of the party keeps growing. I want that side gone from the party tbh.
I'm all for supporting the less well off in society but I still want the support for those working for themselves to exist. So I favour a right leaning centre party which is what the Democrats are imo.

Tell me how

eagle eye wrote: »

No I'm not looking past that and I know what will happen and that's Trump being kicked to the curb. There'll be no spilt.


I'm concerned about the Democrats, I don't care about the Republicans.
There is a growIng socialist side to the Democrats and it's clear that a
split will happen down the road if that side of the party keeps growing. I want that side gone from the party tbh.
I'm all for supporting the less well off in society but I still want the support for those working for themselves to exist. So I favour a right leaning centre party which is what the Democrats are imo.

https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1392203363379552259

I don't think any of us truly believe the GOP will split in a meaningful way, but its pure conjecture to hypothesize about the Democrats while all this is going on.

If what you want is a right leaning centrist party to emerge, then that is more likely to come from a GOP split with the likes of Cheney and Romney being involved than it is to be left over from the socialist wing of the Democratic party falling away. At least that is where all the evidence is at this point.

Leading left wing members of the Democratic party, Sanders and AOC seem very much to be moving in the direction of trying to work with the more conservative members of their own party to find a way to make progress then they are to split off to the side.

eagle eye

Tell me how wrote:

If what you want is a right leaning centrist party to emerge, then that is more likely to come from a GOP split.

You've lost your mind my friend.

pjohnson

Trump actually killing the Republican Party would be a hilarious cherry on top of his political career :pac:

Tell me how

eagle eye wrote: »

You've lost your mind my friend.

Maybe, but I am reacting to currently active events, you're projecting with little evidence.

duploelabs

pjohnson wrote: »

Trump actually killing the Republican Party would be a hilarious cherry on top of his political career :pac:

They already had an amuse bouche of the libertarian party

Yeah_Right

Leroy42 wrote: »

Is it the fact they are retired Generals or the number being 120 that you opt to give this credibility?

Have you checked up on who these 120 actually are? What their history is and what their qualifications are to give them any ability to deem an election as fraudulent or not? Not sure how being a General qualifies one for making a judgment on election security.

I vaguely remember 200 plus retired generals and admirals endorsing Biden before the election. Some had served under Trump. I wonder, do they have more or less credibility than the 120?

Overheal

A major arterial bridge near Memphis on the Mississippi River has suffered a critical failure. I guess Trump should have made good on that infrastructure bill.

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1392915091184627715?s=20


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1SeyMwWEAA4B0g?format=jpg&name=large

Brian?

Tell me how wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1392203363379552259

I don't think any of us truly believe the GOP will split in a meaningful way, but its pure conjecture to hypothesize about the Democrats while all this is going on.

If what you want is a right leaning centrist party to emerge, then that is more likely to come from a GOP split with the likes of Cheney and Romney being involved than it is to be left over from the socialist wing of the Democratic party falling away. At least that is where all the evidence is at this point.

Leading left wing members of the Democratic party, Sanders and AOC seem very much to be moving in the direction of trying to work with the more conservative members of their own party to find a way to make progress then they are to split off to the side.

The Democrats are a right leaning centrist party!

Tell me how

Brian? wrote: »

The Democrats are a right leaning centrist party!

I'm talking about a new edition for the purpose of this discussion.

Brian?

Tell me how wrote: »

I'm talking about a new edition for the purpose of this discussion.

I know. Why would another party that was ideologically aligned with the Democrats be born from the GOP? The Democrats already fill that space.

everlast75

Overheal wrote: »

A major arterial bridge near Memphis on the Mississippi River has suffered a critical failure. I guess Trump should have made good on that infrastructure bill.

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1392915091184627715?s=20


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1SeyMwWEAA4B0g?format=jpg&name=large

Goddamit.

And he was two weeks away from fixing it all.

Overheal

WhomadeGod wrote: »

It would be something if it was one or two that were coming out stating the current president is mentally unfit for office but this is 124 high ranking military men.

Wether you agree with thier views or not it makes the USA a laughing stock on the international level.

I don't think it has a finger on the Trump Baby float.

WhomadeGod

WhomadeGod wrote: »

It would be something if it was one or two that were coming out stating the current president is mentally unfit for office but this is 124 high ranking military men.

Wether you agree with thier views or not it makes the USA a laughing stock on the international level.

The only thing that is making the USA a laughing stock is cry babies who can't accept their dear incompetent, racist leader lost.

extra gravy

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Wether you agree with thier views or not it makes the USA a laughing stock on the international level.

Nope.

"Other countries’ opinions of the U.S. have improved by nine points on average since President Joe Biden took office—and in many cases by double digits—a new Morning Consult poll finds, as the Democratic president appears to have noticeably improved the U.S.’s global standing in his first 100 days after it eroded under President Donald Trump."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/04/27/world-opinion-of-us-shoots-up-after-biden-takes-office-poll-finds/amp

On the contrary, most intelligent people around the world would laugh at a bunch of conspiracy theorists who refuse to accept reality.

Leroy42

WhomadeGod wrote: »

It would be something if it was one or two that were coming out stating the current president is mentally unfit for office but this is 124 high ranking military men.

Wether you agree with thier views or not it makes the USA a laughing stock on the international level.

Right, so its the fact that it is the number of them.

Have you checked out how many retired generals there are? What % this covers? What qualifications they have to opine on voting systems?

"The only positive sign," added Golby, "is that most of the retired officers who signed this letter have been out of the military for almost two decades, and that no recent retirees joined this shameful effort to use their rank and the military's reputation for such a gross and blatant partisan attack."

Mullen also pointed out that no retired four-stars signed it and only a handful of three-stars. "It's not very senior," he said. "In our world it's not very significant in terms of people."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/11/retired-brass-biden-election-487374

eagle eye

WhomadeGod wrote:

It would be something if it was one or two that were coming out stating the current president is mentally unfit for office but this is 124 high ranking military men.

Do you not think he's done a great job so far? I certainly do.

WhomadeGod wrote:

Wether you agree with thier views or not it makes the USA a laughing stock on the international level.

I don't think it matters to people at all. What matters is what's been done and there's a hell if a lot of good being done.

everlast75

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Wether you agree with thier views or not it makes the USA a laughing stock on the international level.

Anyone wanna go find that clip of trump before, was it the U.N., when the other countries literally were laughing at him?

astrofool

WhomadeGod wrote: »

It would be something if it was one or two that were coming out stating the current president is mentally unfit for office but this is 124 high ranking military men.

Wether you agree with thier views or not it makes the USA a laughing stock on the international level.

Look, if someone still really believes that the election was stolen and starts off their argument with that despite all the real world evidence, court cases, audits (most conducted by the GOP themselves) all saying that it was one of the safest elections ever, then that person has mental health issues and they are unlikely to hold a rational opinion on a number of subjects.

This is unfortunate but shows how easily some people can be led by a conman and a grifter. The hope is that the overwhelming evidence will snap them out of it, but instead there seems to be a digging in because they don't want to admit they were wrong, mainly out of embarrassment it seems.

That is what makes the USA a laughing stock, not a competent president doing their work and getting on with their agenda, if you think that any other country thinks that the USA is more of a laughing stock without trump at the helm then you clearly are not holding a rational viewpoint of the situation.

The worst thing was how easily manipulated he was, Jong Un had him spinning on his little figure, Putin might as well have dropped the pretence and introduced him as his puppet, cheeky trump. Those countries won't like Biden being in charge, that's a good thing.

ohnonotgmail

Leroy42 wrote: »

Right, so its the fact that it is the number of them.

Have you checked out how many retired generals there are? What % this covers? What qualifications they have to opine on voting systems?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/11/retired-brass-biden-election-487374

More than 200 generals endorsed Biden, including a number of 4*s and recently retired generals so by my maths that means Biden wins.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/more-200-retired-generals-admirals-endorse-biden-including-some-who-n1240842

mcmoustache

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

More than 200 generals endorsed Biden, including a number of 4*s and recently retired generals so by my maths that means Biden wins.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/more-200-retired-generals-admirals-endorse-biden-including-some-who-n1240842

Can't argue with that. It's science.

biko

everlast75 wrote: »

Goddamit.

And he was two weeks away from fixing it all.

That crack has been there since Obama

salmocab

biko wrote: »

That crack has been there since Obama

The sad reality is multiple governments local and national from both sides have ignored infrastructure because Americans see taxes as such a bad thing and don’t want to pay for things that they don’t physically own

biko

In short
Generals that endorse Biden = good boys.
Generals that don't endorse Biden = conspiracy nuts.

ohnonotgmail

biko wrote: »

In short
Generals that endorse Biden = good boys.
Generals that don't endorse Biden = conspiracy nuts.

it appears you haven't read any of the responses. try again.

The Raging Bile Duct

salmocab wrote: »

The sad reality is multiple governments local and national from both sides have ignored infrastructure because Americans see taxes as such a bad thing and don’t want to pay for things that they don’t physically own

Fixing roads is obviously socialism. Only poor people need to drive to different places. If you're rich enough you just fly everywhere. If you can't afford to that, it's your own fault.

salmocab

biko wrote: »

In short
Generals that endorse Biden = good boys.
Generals that don't endorse Biden = conspiracy nuts.

Anyone that thinks the election was stolen is indeed a conspiracy nut.

biko

Hopefully Biden's infrastructure bill will sort some stuff like that crack out.
It looks good on paper, so far.

biko

salmocab wrote: »

Anyone that thinks the election was stolen is indeed a conspiracy nut.

Trump won, Hillary lost.
Get over it.

The Raging Bile Duct

biko wrote: »

Trump won, Hillary lost.
Get over it.

So witty.

biko

biko wrote: »

In short
Generals that endorse Biden = good boys.
Generals that don't endorse Biden = conspiracy nuts.

In short trump supporters still crying and cling to anything

biko

biko wrote: »

In short
Generals that endorse Biden = good boys.
Generals that don't endorse Biden = conspiracy nuts.

If they're claiming Biden didn't win the election and pushing a nonsense senility claim, that's a bunch of conspiracy nuts. Neither claim is proven to even the smallest degree. Do you agree with both statements?

Cody montana

biko wrote: »

In short
Generals that endorse Biden = good boys.
Generals that don't endorse Biden = conspiracy nuts.

From the letter.

“Without fair and honest elections that accurately reflect the ‘will of the people’ our Constitutional Republic is lost. Election integrity demands insuring there is one legal vote cast and counted per citizen,” the letter reads before going on to blast critics of voter ID laws as engaging in a “tyrannical intimidation tactic.”

Yup, they’re conspiracy nuts.

Cody montana

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If they're claiming Biden didn't win the election and pushing a nonsense senility claim, that's a bunch of conspiracy nuts. Neither claim is proven to even the smallest degree. Do you agree with both statements?

Imagine giving validation to people who won’t accept democracy.

duploelabs

Cody montana wrote: »

From the letter.

“Without fair and honest elections that accurately reflect the ‘will of the people’ our Constitutional Republic is lost. Election integrity demands insuring there is one legal vote cast and counted per citizen,” the letter reads before going on to blast critics of voter ID laws as engaging in a “tyrannical intimidation tactic.”

Yup, they’re conspiracy nuts.

You're missing the point. Biko goes looking for headlines to fulfill a preconceived theory and ignores the actual facts contained within their 'proof', that's how critical thinking works!!!










/s

everlast75

biko wrote: »

That crack has been there since Obama

Yes, he really did squander the cooperation and goodwill the Republicans extended to him from day one.

Oh wait...

Cody montana

duploelabs wrote: »

You're missing the point. Biko goes looking for headlines to fulfill a preconceived theory and ignores the actual facts contained within their 'proof', that's how critical thinking works!!!










/s

Sur it’s been like that for years.
Headlines and slogans.
No substance or engagement.

astrofool

biko wrote: »

In short
Generals that endorse Biden = good boys.
Generals that don't endorse Biden = conspiracy nuts.

Do you believe the election was stolen?

If not, would you place faith in someone starting an opinion that the election was stolen as those generals have?

If so, what evidence would change this belief, show that you can be rational.

Or just continue dumping links and making pithy comments and everyone will know whether you are rational or not.

Quin_Dub

biko wrote: »

In short
Generals that endorse Biden = good boys.
Generals that don't endorse Biden = conspiracy nuts.

No issues whatsoever with someone not endorsing/liking Biden or not supporting his policies etc.

That's perfectly normal and healthy in a functioning democracy.

BUT - Anyone that says the election was rigged and that Biden wasn't legitimately elected is by definition a Conspiracy Nut and should be treated with the disdain and contempt that that deserves.

Smee_Again

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Couldn't of said it better myself.
The rigid idealogy of left leaning posters in this thread makes discourse impossible sadly.

Not a big fan of context are you?

salmocab

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Couldn't of said it better myself.
The rigid idealogy of left leaning posters in this thread makes discourse impossible sadly.

We’re all sure you couldn’t have said it better yourself.

everlast75

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Couldn't of said it better myself.
The rigid idealogy of left leaning posters in this thread makes discourse impossible sadly.

*The refusal to accept facts, enter into bona fides discussion and the reliance upon unsubstantiated accusations makes discourse impossible.

Cody montana

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Couldn't of said it better myself.
The rigid idealogy of left leaning posters in this thread makes discourse impossible sadly.

You’ve been asked about your opinions on several points of discussion now, yet won’t/can’t answer.

Just dumping links is not debate.

pjohnson

duploelabs wrote: »

You're missing the point. Biko goes looking for headlines to fulfill a preconceived theory and ignores the actual facts contained within their 'proof', that's how critical thinking works!!!










/s

Also seems to have missed an election.

Still rambling about Hilary loosing to Trump.


Gotta worry when he learns that

Trump looses to Biden

ohnonotgmail

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Couldn't of said it better myself.
The rigid idealogy of left leaning posters in this thread makes discourse impossible sadly.

given that a large proportion of your posts are just dumping links and running away that post is hilarious.

hotmail.com

In a week where Biden said people should have their benefits cut if they don't take a job and no condemnation of Israel's appalling bombardment of Palestinians, can Irish people please stop saying Biden is left wing.