Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Water John

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The push back from AOC and the like is because it's totally legal to turn up at the US border and seek entry.

They have taken her statement
“I want to be clear to folks in the region who are thinking about making that dangerous trek to the United States-Mexico border,” she said. “Do not come. Do not come.”
not in the context of "don't try and enter illegally" but in the context of "don't even bother turning up at the border".

But turning up at the border and being almost certainly sent home. In our case we wouldn't make it past Dublin airport. The US Govn't is correct in applying its resources in making the Central and South American countries a better place to live than they are.

Brian?

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I don't get the obsession with a physical visit - What exactly is a Politician supposed to be able to achieve standing in the Desert in Texas or New Mexico pointing at a fence or whatever that couldn't be better achieved in a meeting in Washington.

It's a Photo ops nothing more..

As soon as she goes the Wing nuts will say she only went for the photo op. It's predictably hilarious.

Look at the fuss they made over AOC visiting the border.

Brian?

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

She has been given special responsibility for the crises at the southern border.

I know optics is a huge part of it but the optics would be for someone like herself to be "seen" to be doing something by visiting the area where the crises is occurring.
Whether she can do a better job from a far I have no idea.

As for traveling during the pandemic, travel has been pretty regular in the US for months now, it's not like Ireland where we were locked down so much for so long.

It's pointless.

I manage engineers in Korea and Taiwan, do I need to physically visit them to assess their work? I do in my hoop

Overheal

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I don't get the obsession with a physical visit - What exactly is a Politician supposed to be able to achieve standing in the Desert in Texas or New Mexico pointing at a fence or whatever that couldn't be better achieved in a meeting in Washington.

It's a Photo ops nothing more..

I asked my congressman what his photo ops achieved and what he expects a Vice President visit to true border to even do. Haven’t heard back yet and holding my breath eagerly :pac:

Manic Moran

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I don't get the obsession with a physical visit - What exactly is a Politician supposed to be able to achieve standing in the Desert in Texas or New Mexico pointing at a fence or whatever that couldn't be better achieved in a meeting in Washington.

It's a Photo ops nothing more..

Agreed, but it's also why she has not been to the border. If it'll make a politician look good, they'll go for the photo op. However, there is no good photo op to come from the border. The holding centers are about as overcrowded now as they were in the Trump era. A Texas Democrat (Cuellar) who is not a fan of the Administration's handling of the border released photos from his local center back in April, it didn't endear him to the Administration. Democrats were happy enough to have their photos taken at the border when it was Trump's problem.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/01/politics/harris-immigration/index.html
After the announcement, Harris' aides appeared to "panic," according to one of the officials, out of concern that her assignment was being mischaracterized and could be politically damaging if she were linked to the border, which at the time was facing a growing number of arrivals.

There is a very good argument that this was a poisoned chalice handed by Biden to Harris. It's likely a no-win situation for Biden, so by handing it off to Harris to deal with, it won't affect him quite as much in the re-election campaign.

Brian?

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Interesting how the dems were all so quick to visit the border during the trump administrations time in power for those photo opportunities.

Crowd of hypocrites.

Were they now? How many times did Harris or Biden go down? Which other Dems went down and when?

Overheal

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Interesting how the dems were all so quick to visit the border during the trump administrations time in power for those photo opportunities.

Crowd of hypocrites.

https://www.wonkette.com/very-concerned-republicans-make-run-to-border-to-find-facts-photo-ops

What did they accomplish? Why is this an effective use of the office of the Vice President

Granted, it can't possibly be a bigger waste of time than...

Cody montana

Brian? wrote: »

Were they now? How many times did Harris or Biden go down? Which other Dems went down and when?

You won't ever get an answer.

They should go down and take a photo with the half build wall.

extra gravy

Brian? wrote: »

What do you think he should do differently?

astrofool wrote: »

So, WhomadeGod, do you agree that Biden should push for raising the minimum wage to try and increase the employment numbers?

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Kamala Harris hasnt been to europe either remember.

Are you going to answer the questions you were asked before disappearing? Are you here to engage in a discussion or merely to post nonsense?

Christy42

Well first things first on the border. Hurricane levies need to be repaired that were disrupted by border wall construction.

Maybe they were right about a border crisis. Just not the one republicans wanted to talk about.

everlast75

What a shift!!

https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1402975870290116618?s=19

It's almost as if no other country thought trump knew what he was doing.

(Obviously, they are all wrong and trump is right....)

everlast75

everlast75 wrote: »

It's almost as if no other country thought trump knew what he was doing

Nah, that time when the UN general assembly all collectively laughed at him, they were laughing with him, not at him.

Quin_Dub

everlast75 wrote: »

What a shift!!

https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1402975870290116618?s=19

It's almost as if no other country thought trump knew what he was doing.

(Obviously, they are all wrong and trump is right....)

That sort of information will get spun as meaning that Biden is a soft touch and they are all happy that they have an easy mark in the White House now.

Unlike the political powerhouse and "Worlds Greatest Negotiatior" (*tm*) that they all cowered in fear before, namely Donald J. Trump esq.

Melanchthon

Quin_Dub wrote: »

That sort of information will get spun as meaning that Biden is a soft touch and they are all happy that they have an easy mark in the White House now.

Unlike the political powerhouse and "Worlds Greatest Negotiatior" (*tm*) that they all cowered in fear before, namely Donald J. Trump esq.

Why can't there be some truth to that statement though? country with biggest change towards positive, Germany, literally did just get a pass on Nordstream 2 under Biden.

I am sure the answer will be a load of snark about 'trump supporters'

everlast75

Melanchthon wrote: »

Why can't there be some truth to that statement though? country with biggest change towards positive, Germany, literally did just get a pass on Nordstream 2 under Biden.

I am sure the answer will be a load of snark about 'trump supporters'

So, assuming you are absolutely right on Germany, what about the rest?

Why does one apparent reason for one country mean that the rest of the data should be binned?

Quin_Dub

Melanchthon wrote: »

Why can't there be some truth to that statement though? country with biggest change towards positive, Germany, literally did just get a pass on Nordstream 2 under Biden.

I am sure the answer will be a load of snark about 'trump supporters'

There's no doubt that people will view Biden as "easier to deal with" but I don't believe that that makes him a "soft touch" just as Obamas so called "Apology tour" didn't make him some kind of Beta as the Right Wing Media would have had you believe.

The question was about "Confidence in the US President to do the right thing in International affairs". Clearly International leaders feel that Biden will be a reliable honest negotiator and partner and broadly speaking if he agrees to something today , he'll honour that agreement tomorrow.

Being a "tough negotiator" or someone who holds firm on a particular issue shouldn't have a major impact on the confidence levels that one country has in another leadership. They are usually all mature adult professionals.

Being an unreliable petulant narcissist who pivots relentlessly based on how the media reacts to his actions absolutely does though.

Christy42

Melanchthon wrote: »

Why can't there be some truth to that statement though? country with biggest change towards positive, Germany, literally did just get a pass on Nordstream 2 under Biden.

I am sure the answer will be a load of snark about 'trump supporters'

it is a statement on the internet. Therefore I would want proof of it first. I talk to people in one of the countries listed. No one has mentioned that. They all prefer Biden for reasons of sanity. Trump was repeatedly abused by other world leaders for PR which indicates he couldn't be that much of a hard man. If you think of Macron, Putin, Kim Jon, Trudeau all used 1 on 1s with him. Add in Merkel if you want to include the phone call of her explaining the EU to him though that didn't seem intentional. There was even a pro Trump group in China who figured it would help take the US down a peg or two to have to have him as President for longer.

There is evidence showing Trump is a hard man as false and little evidence other countries see Biden is weak. That is why that statement is bull.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.cityam.com/uk-spends-nearly-8m-to-lengthen-newquay-runway-for-bidens-landing-at-g7-summit/

The UK has reportedly spent over £7.8m to extend the runway at Newquay airport to allow US aircraft to land for the G7 summit.

The runway had to be extended to allow US President Joe Biden to land on Air Force One amid concerns about the existing infrastructure being able to handle the large aircraft, it has been reported.

The US President and the First Lady, Jill Biden, arrived at Cornwall Airport Newquay shortly before 11.45pm on Wednesday.

The news comes amid other reports of costs relating to the summit including the £70m cost of policing.

So much for climate control and being green.

What a shocking waste of money, if the runway was extended for Trump there would be outrage in the media.

Smee_Again

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

https://www.cityam.com/uk-spends-nearly-8m-to-lengthen-newquay-runway-for-bidens-landing-at-g7-summit/



So much for climate control and being green.

What a shocking waste of money, if the runway was extended for Trump there would be outrage in the media.

You’re really reaching for dirt to pin on Biden. It’s hilarious.

MisterAnarchy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

https://www.cityam.com/uk-spends-nearly-8m-to-lengthen-newquay-runway-for-bidens-landing-at-g7-summit/



So much for climate control and being green.

What a shocking waste of money, if the runway was extended for Trump there would be outrage in the media.

You're almost 3 months late with that faux outrage.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-56484551

Looks like the biased **** that you read didn't pick up on that sooner, poor buggers.

MisterAnarchy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

https://www.cityam.com/uk-spends-nearly-8m-to-lengthen-newquay-runway-for-bidens-landing-at-g7-summit/



So much for climate control and being green.

What a shocking waste of money, if the runway was extended for Trump there would be outrage in the media.

You literally made me laugh aloud. Thank you!

Smee_Again

WhomadeGod wrote: »

More hypocrisy from the dems.

Have they no self awareness.

Where’s the hypocrisy?

Christy42

Smee_Again wrote: »

Where’s the hypocrisy?

I don't even know what the Dems did. A conference of world powers was held and a Democratic President went to it in the same manner in the plane specifically equipped for transporting the US President like many before him.

You have to figure it is a good sign for Biden if travelling in Air Force One is the level of failure we are talking about.

WhomadeGod

WhomadeGod wrote: »

Have they no self awareness.

That it s a beautifully ironic comment, thank you.

uncleoswald

Smee_Again wrote: »

Where’s the hypocrisy?

Never mind that, where is THEIR self awareness.

Smee_Again

uncleoswald wrote: »

Never mind that, where is THEIR self awareness.

Ah, I think we’re passed expecting any self awareness from certain posters.

MisterAnarchy

It looks like Joe had a word in Bojo's ear about identity politics.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1403353767773458433

MisterAnarchy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

It looks like Joe had a word in Bojo's ear about identity politics.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1403353767773458433

So you're going to forget your last post ever happened and are now instead just quoting other world leaders and suggesting that's it's relevant to this thread as it sounds like something you believe Biden would say?

Smee_Again

Hang on, so now Biden is making BoJo extend runways for Air Force One and also telling BoJo what to say?

Surely that make Biden a strong and powerful world leader.

Why couldn’t Trump bend BoJo to his will? It’s obviously quite easy to do if Biden did it after 1 meeting.

Trump really was useless.

extra gravy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

https://www.cityam.com/uk-spends-nearly-8m-to-lengthen-newquay-runway-for-bidens-landing-at-g7-summit/



So much for climate control and being green.

What a shocking waste of money, if the runway was extended for Trump there would be outrage in the media.

Can't believe Biden didn't redesign all the planes and make them smaller. Outrageous!

Igotadose

extra gravy wrote: »

Can't believe Biden didn't redesign all the planes and make them smaller. Outrageous!

Hey, at least the replacement AF1's, slated for 2024, that the #IMPOTUS failed to get cheaper despite his bigly negotiating skills will be.. hmm... bigger it seems than this one. Problem is likely the pokey Cornish airfield they're using.

If the #IMPOTUS had flown to this field, it would have had to be extended.

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-we-know-about-the-air-force-one-replacement-project-2020-7?r=US&IR=T

MisterAnarchy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

It looks like Joe had a word in Bojo's ear about identity politics.

In fairness, you seem like the perpetually offended one... So far Biden is showing more leadership than Trump or Johnson have ever demonstrated.

frag420

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

https://www.cityam.com/uk-spends-nearly-8m-to-lengthen-newquay-runway-for-bidens-landing-at-g7-summit/



So much for climate control and being green.

What a shocking waste of money, if the runway was extended for Trump there would be outrage in the media.

How did you expect him to get there? Swim?

Professor Moriarty

Smee_Again wrote: »

Hang on, so now Biden is making BoJo extend runways for Air Force One and also telling BoJo what to say?

Surely that make Biden a strong and powerful world leader.

Why couldn’t Trump bend BoJo to his will? It’s obviously quite easy to do if Biden did it after 1 meeting.

Trump really was useless.

Here is Johnson in January this year talking about Trump:

"As you say, in so far as he encouraged people to storm the Capitol, and in so far as the president has consistently cast doubt on the outcome of a free and fair election, I believe that was completely wrong. I believe what President Trump has been saying about that has been completely wrong and I unreservedly condemn encouraging people to behave in the disgraceful way that they did in the Capitol."


Here is Johnson talking about Trump in 2015:

"I think Donald Trump is clearly out of his mind if he thinks that's a sensible way to proceed, to ban people going to the United States in that way, or to any country. What he's doing is playing the game of the terrorists and those who seek to divide us. That's exactly the kind of reaction they hope to produce.

When Donald Trump says there are parts of London that are ‘no go’ areas, I think he’s betraying a quite stupefying ignorance that makes him frankly unfit to hold the office of President of the United States.

I would invite him to come and see the whole of London and take him round the city - except I wouldn’t want to expose any Londoners to any unnecessary risk of meeting Donald Trump."

Overheal

Good to have American sanity at the G7 again

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1403363032818929664?s=20

Brian?

WhomadeGod wrote: »

More hypocrisy from the dems.

Have they no self awareness.

What’s actually hypocritical about landing a plane on a runway someone else built?

Hande hoche!

Overheal wrote: »

Good to have American sanity at the G7 again

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1403363032818929664?s=20

Interesting that the Lincoln project is still around. Thought that they had imploded as regards financial shenanigan's and grooming allegations.

Brian?

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Interesting that the Lincoln project is still around. Thought that they had imploded as regards financial shenanigan's and grooming allegations.

Wow, I never heard any of these allegations. Can you share more?

Brian?

Brian? wrote: »

Wow, I never heard any of these allegations. Can you share more?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/12/lincoln-project-scandal-468984
They're pretty horrible but I'm not entirely surprised, it was very much so the enemy of my enemy logic. Given how Trumpism has taken over the party, they're not really in the position they thought they'd thought they'd be in at this point at this point imho.

Hande hoche!

Brian? wrote: »

Wow, I never heard any of these allegations. Can you share more?

One of the co-founders was alleged to have been involved in grooming. Some other members were seemingly ignoring the accusations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/us/politics/john-weaver-lincoln-project-harassment.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/02/12/lincoln-project-weaver-misconduct-investigation/

Brian?

Hande hoche! wrote: »

One of the co-founders was alleged to have been involved in grooming. Some other members were seemingly ignoring the accusations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/us/politics/john-weaver-lincoln-project-harassment.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/02/12/lincoln-project-weaver-misconduct-investigation/

That's terrible.

To be honest, they were never a group of people I admired much. But their anti Trump ads really helped last November so I thank them for that.

Most of them are neocon hawks

Hande hoche!

Brian? wrote: »

That's terrible.

To be honest, they were never a group of people I admired much. But their anti Trump ads really helped last November so I thank them for that.

Most of them are neocon hawks

Yeah they are very much of a neocon, interventionist sort. The stories about the various negative aspects only came out in the early period of the Biden administration. Imagine a lot of their indiscretions could be overlooked when there was a danger of a another Trump term.

They are in an awkward position. Imagine some of the members thought they would waltz into some new posts under the guise of bipartisanship. Alternatively they would merge back into the GOP having spent a few years as the "principled conservatives", out of the party due to their disgust at populism.

Neither seems to be happening. If I was particularly cynical I would predict that they try to limp to the midterms. Then use wishful thinking to solicit more donations for Senate races etc.

Water John

The only issue with the runway in Cornwall is that Johnson flew down there from London, instead of taking the train.

Overheal

Water John wrote: »

The only issue with the runway in Cornwall is that Johnson flew down there from London, instead of taking the train.

Well if everyone else is showing up in a plane why not.

Should be surprised at the fake outrage about Air Force one, but am definitely not.

zom

Melanchthon wrote: »

Why can't there be some truth to that statement though? country with biggest change towards positive, Germany, literally did just get a pass on Nordstream 2 under Biden.'

Great success for Putin and slap in face for Poland.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/WHCOS/status/1404839167541063681?s=19

Great.

Now expand the SCOTUS and stick another 5 on it.

Brian?

The Biden v Putin super throw down sounds pretty tame so far

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/world/live-news/biden-putin-meeting-geneva-updates-intl/index.html

Tell me how

Brian? wrote: »

The Biden v Putin super throw down sounds pretty tame so far

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/world/live-news/biden-putin-meeting-geneva-updates-intl/index.html

As it should be.

The commentary around the last guy and meeting his counterparts was like a boxing press conference being hyped to sell PPV.

Overheal

Brian? wrote: »

The Biden v Putin super throw down sounds pretty tame so far

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/world/live-news/biden-putin-meeting-geneva-updates-intl/index.html

Did you miss it? Shoving and shouting in the press gaggle.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/press-scrum-at-biden-putin-summit-descends-into-chaos-after-shoving-match-physical-encounters-with-security/

Overheal

This right here gave me waves of emotional relief, that we once again have a POTUS with neurotypical human thoughts and feelings, such as remorse, and humility.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/biden-apologizes-for-heated-spat-with-cnns-kaitlan-collins-i-shouldnt-have-been-such-a-wise-guy/

This afternoon, Biden snapped at CNN's Kaitlyn Collins for suggesting with her question that he had some degree of "confidence" in Putin changing his ways. “I’m not confident he’ll change his behavior. Where the hell — When did I say I was confident?” adding that she was “in the wrong business.”

by the time he got back on the ground though Biden had been humbled:

“I owe my last questioner an apology,” he said. “I shouldn’t have been such a wise guy with the last answer I gave.”

“Look, to be a good reporter, you’ve gotta be negative. You’ve gotta have a negative view of life, it seems to me, I apologize for having been short before.”